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#4071461 Too many defensive abilities

Posted ROKMODE on 04 March 2014 - 11:00 PM

zzz expansion wars
BC was only enjoyable in arena if you were like one of 6 specs, and even then the game was going to devolve into cancerous drain matches. There's a reason AT BC died. No one wanted to play what BC arena had become. BC has much better fundamentals and systematic features than cata/mop, but arena itself in BC is completely shrouded by nostalgia. AT wrath has been and is more popular than the BC realm was and the Cata realm (probably combined) for a reason. Almost all of the people who used to deify BC either changed their minds when they went back and played it, or they got past the nostalgia. BC had a good system. Wrath improved the system and made tons of quality of life changes. Cata changed pvp class fundamentals entirely, and thus had a more systematic change than the past 2 expansions. I personally am not too picky about balance, but I know a lot of you guys are. End game BC had worse balance than any of the end games of any of the expansions easily.

View PostCakesz, on 04 March 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

What melee class was exactly? The only reason DKs weren't 'amazing' was because of spell cleaves, and every melee suffered vs that. Outside Prot, Prot/Ret and Dbl healer teams, there weren't really that many different comps. LSD etc just shit on melee/caster/healer with ease.
Dks weren't shitting on anything though. They were just annoying. Their defensive cds did not need "compensation" through the improvement of other classes' tools. Arms was better in general.

#4070888 Too many defensive abilities

Posted ROKMODE on 04 March 2014 - 06:55 AM

View PostCakesz, on 04 March 2014 - 12:09 AM, said:

It started in WotLK when Blizzard gave every CD in the game to DKs and so they had to give other abilities to other classes to counter that, instead of just removing the retarded shit from DKs.
Dks weren't amazing in late wrath seasons, and they didn't have to give other classes more defensives to compensate. See season 8 where dks could die relatively easily while most classes only had 1 defensive cd. . . in fact dks were just average, and many specs did not have defensive cds. In fact, the two specs that people complained about the most (destro/ele) both had no defensive cds whatsoever. I would still say the cancerous # of defensive cds did not begin until cata because wrath very much did not revolve around limitless defensive cds. Defensive cds are absolutely okay but there is a point in which there are too many. Would I have preferred if dks were designed with fewer? Absolutely, but I still don't think the fate of the game's direction was reliant on compensating for the # of cds dks had. I thought dispersion was a good addition to the game and combined two issues into one ability with a twist. Wotlk dks are also pretty easy to kill compared to fucking cata dks since the self heals are negligible in wrath. Cata was when I had to stop playing 2's because there were just too many defensives and self heals. Abilities like recuperate and lock evo made the bracket terrible.

I will say that there was a great influx of new abilities in wrath, but I think that most of them were needed and were quality of life changes. BC laid out the fundamentals while wrath refined the game and made it run a lot smoother. Recall that almost nothing was viable in end game bc arena, so adding new spells was actually rational. Almost all specs were actually flat out missing valuable tools. Let's take ele shaman for example. Ele shaman was very bad in BC because it relied on one school, had no defensives, and had no cc or control. Wrath addressed this by adding root totem, stoneclaw absorb, thunderstorm, hex, replacing ES with wind shear, lava burst, and passive astral shift. They addressed every issue the spec had basically by adding abilities, but none of the abilities were absurd. Almost all of the added cata abilities were completely unnecessary "fun!" spells and disgusting. Then, the game had to be balanced around such spells, which just created a snowball effect. I say almost because there were some added spells that were just like w/e okay have at it hoss. Even some of the abilities that weren't op like spiritwalker's grace were just why? Such unneeded additions.

That being said, I do concede that there were added abilities in wrath as well that they could have not put in like bladestorm, but there's not nearly as many of them as patch 4.x and beyond.

#4067591 WoD CC changes

Posted ROKMODE on 28 February 2014 - 08:37 AM

it was only useless in BC because of totem stomping macros imo
it still was powerful in wrath if you positioned it well and moderated it
It was designed well in the sense that it punished you if you got to a certain point. . . making it such that fears were still very possible to get. ie. if priest was humping you, fear was pretty much guaranteed, but you could make that much more difficult and consequentially make the priest have to sacrifice certain positional advantages to kill tremor. It also had the advantage of going through LOS and dispelling fear without having to abide by UA and trash debuff rules.

Cata/Mop tremor is just a pvp trinket which is pretty lame and led to far more balancing issues than old tremor.

#4067579 WoD CC changes

Posted ROKMODE on 28 February 2014 - 08:27 AM

Speaking of changing working formulas, they should have kept the old tremor. Only scrubs complained about old tremor, and it added more thought to the game.

#4060463 Members Posting Access

Posted ROKMODE on 21 February 2014 - 11:33 PM

I knew the majority would say no, but I did not expect these numbers

I voted yes because there are not enough people on this site and the growth rate is very low. I think junkie specific bg forums is a good idea. Realistically, pvpers already only compose the 5%. High pvpers compose maybe 0.5% of the wow population. AJ posters even smaller. Off the bat, exclusivity is already high due to the nature of WoW pvp. Increasing the exclusivity just makes it more detrimental imo. You really shouldn't be surprised that most members post like retards when their two options for forum resources are WoW pvp forums and elitist junkies, where 90% of posts are qqs and or sarcastic/almost clever posts.

I also reject the idea that member posting would cause AJ posting quality to descend to WoW pvp forum levels. First of all, the posting quality is already nothing special. Really, WoW pvp forums are largely shit due to the people who really don'y even play pvp. If you are going to make an AJ account in the first place, I'd like to think you'd have a more keen interest in arena than the idiots on the wow forums. The people there will continue posting there, even if you remove the junkie status. imo

#4057784 PTR rogues

Posted ROKMODE on 19 February 2014 - 10:45 PM

when they gna patch to wrath rogue
most skillful spec in WoW arena history

#4057448 Warlords of Draenor update: Skirmish and Spectator mode

Posted ROKMODE on 19 February 2014 - 05:10 PM

Why is this not on the front page news? This is way more integral to WoW arena discussion than stupid valentine's videos and streaming awards for people who don't stream arena

#4057109 Any Death Knights remember season 11?

Posted ROKMODE on 19 February 2014 - 04:16 AM

View PostYubel, on 19 February 2014 - 04:08 AM, said:

usually clickclakmoo is trolling. but is he trolling this time?

idk. but death knights were amazing during s11 sure. they were probably an 8.5/10.

rogue was retarded and such a huge skill decrease from wrath rogue
people just tended to downplay how nonsensical rogue was because their hero khuna played a rogue
don't worry I played an ele shaman in s11, I had my fair share of deaths in random smoke bomb swaps

#4056677 Warlords of Draenor update: Skirmish and Spectator mode

Posted ROKMODE on 18 February 2014 - 09:21 PM

only took blizzard years to catch up to private server mechanics


#4053005 Winners of the Blizzard Stream Awards

Posted ROKMODE on 13 February 2014 - 03:17 AM

Why do you promote this garbage? I'm being completely serious. This is arena junkies, and most of us don't give 2 shits about who is the best at selling his or her personality. Most of these guys don't even stream arena at a decent level, reckful included because he doesn't even stream WoW.

If you are going to flood the front page with big distracting text boxes, pictures, and videos, AT LEAST make the articles somehow related to arena.
Yes I heff 3 be mad

#4051466 The best WoW player of all time

Posted ROKMODE on 10 February 2014 - 09:42 AM

View PostVoksen, on 10 February 2014 - 07:08 AM, said:

There is a big difference between being all-around good/popular over several years (e.g. Sodah or Venruki) vs. coming out of nowhere, being godlike annihilating everyone for 2 seasons and peacing out.  (e.g. fading into AT obscurity like jpeg or even orangemarmalade for that matter).


Based on the list Talb or OrangeMarma would be my picks.  Talb overall and OrangeMarma for that random shortlived ability so far beyond everyone else.  Oh and how can you make a list without Hydra.
nvm misread

Chasing tail was THE wizard cleave
their MLD was ridiculous. . . they all had heroic ICC trinkets and they were incredibly on point with their cc rotations. I just remember playing against them and never getting to play my character. Then, all of a sudden trinket procs during shadowfury and one of us was dead-r i p. I still don't understand why they didn't go to the blizzcon qualifiers even though they "placed" (if I remember correctly). Maybe I'm jumping the gun, but I always thought they could have done serious damage. Was it because of their respective OD addons? I just remember that most of their few losses were attributed to purposeful tanking so everyone on the team could get rank 1.

for those who are too new to know what I'm talking about-- although most posters probably do since AJ has surprisingly low new age numbers for whatever reason
still the most egotistic yet entertaining intro I've seen in a pvp movie

They were still relatively unexposed players for how they were dominating ladders all over the US. They never had that public hype like orangemarm/reckful/hydra had, but they were way up there for sure.

#4045748 Charge nerfed

Posted ROKMODE on 01 February 2014 - 10:33 AM

terrible change
also lol at comparing charge functionality to drain mana

and nobody wants drain games back (mana burn is ok though)
fuck bc drain games

edit: let's be honest though, changing the warrior's identity isn't even reversible at this point
Cata fucked up how warriors play, then mop finished off the job

#4040387 The best WoW player of all time

Posted ROKMODE on 25 January 2014 - 06:13 AM

marm, soda, venruki
(no order)
Marm is a pick most people won't agree with, especially those who don't play AT, but he has demonstrated that he is just the best in wotlk, and he can play every class. He won almost every AT wotlk tourney, and he just won the AT cata tourney, having barely played cata at all. If he played any iteration of WoW, I'm pretty damn sure he would place up there. He is just extremely solid, but if other's don't agree, then it's completely understandable since he never really shined on retail.

Soda has demonstrated that he is a top 5 healer in every single expansion, and he's been able to consistently play many healers. He has an astounding tournament record, having placed in countless big tournaments, moreso than anyone else easily. There's no way this guy is not at the top.

Venruki for similar reasons, even though he mostly plays one class.

I don't think orange's hype moment is enough to call him the best wow player of all time. It was a  very smart play, but he also had a long way to go until he mastered mage. His team's gameplay was also outdated as wrath neared s8, and they stopped winning because he was no longer in the to echelon of players. I always felt like orange's skill was mostly attributed to how his team functioned together. They were notorious for working well together.

To be fair though, it's really really hard to tier the "best" in this game. There are just too many honorable mentions off the top of my head. toez, enigmz, another, reckful, snutz. . . the list goes on
Once you get to a certain point, there is just such a huge concentration of memorable players that stand out among others, but don't necessarily stand out above each other.

Why is bigmoran on here?

#4039577 Games like Arena but not shit?

Posted ROKMODE on 24 January 2014 - 05:21 AM

There aren't really many games like WoW arena unfortunately, which sucks because WoW arena is like a genre of gaming within itself, and it's fun. If you aren't having fun on retail, your best bet is probably arena tournament or just look for a different kind of game altogether. Rng aside, regardless of any changes from retail or not (if there are any besides gear), AT wow is actually a good game imo, and a lot of the top players (marm, mehh, jpeg/imbad) have said it's a good game as well. Wotlk AT that is. . . cata still feels cancerous. I'm sure most of us would salivate over the idea of a Wow arena game, without all the mmo and pve balance stuff with it. A game where you could just jump in and play, with a mix of wotlk speed and mechanics--with maybe better balancing and far less rng.

I don't see this happening though.

#4036156 Fuck the state of the game

Posted ROKMODE on 19 January 2014 - 01:02 AM

much funnier than bigmoran