If only blizzard would give us a dedicated arena game, with a much better tiered system than mmr, pvp devs whos only focus is weekly balance, actual monitoring of the system to stop wintraders etc with the same addictive combat system we all enjoy
also fuck titles / rating just do it like starcraft and league and have leagues
AT provides a purely arena based domain and monitors wintraders and listens to the community
y'all can keep complaining though and meanwhile continue to play your poopy pandas while complaining more
Hi this isn't my movie, but I really enjoyed it, so I thought I might as well post it here.
Features high level wotlk rmp on AT from disc priest perspective http://www.warcraftm...w.php?id=241553
Sorry for the people hoping to watch a MoP movie, but it's a great watch regardless.
Before you read this, acknowledge that I still enjoy TBC in many ways, and it succeeds in numerous departments, but I just disagree on the sentiment of its balance. I also don't think balance is a huge deal normally, so it's not like I think TBC is terrible because I'm not a fan of its balancing. TBC is terrible at things that are more significant than its balance, like its rng.
TBC having good balance is complete BS. There was an artificial sense of good balance on retail because everybody was so bad. People were getting rank 1 easily back then while backpedaling. People didn't even use focus frames and fakecasting/swding cc was considering the greatest thing man could do. AT BC is pretty much only modified when it comes to gear, otherwise it has all the stupid stuff retail bc had. ie needing 9000 spell pen to kill lock pets or all the ridiculous amounts of rng (far more than any expansion)
TBC resto druid is the equivalent of cata resto shaman. Pretty much every hybrid is complete shit in BC outside of shadowpriest in very few comps. Ele is absolutely awful so please don't act like it's viable.
List of tools ele gained from bc--->wrath
-Lava burst (damage outside of one school)
-Hex (some kind of cc, a mediocre one but still good)
-Viable ways to conserve mana
-Ghost wolf(u cant get the instant talent in tbc unless u give up NS)
-wind shear (tbc ele interrupt shares a cd with shock spells which is just about the most moronic design ever)
-Astral shift(tbc ele has absolutely no survival cds and no good reduction mechanics)
-not shitty offheals
-An interrupt off gcd(this was a universal change tho so w/e)
I advise you to go back and play TBC. There are very few specs that are good now that people have access to playing pure fotm. On retail, everyone was trying to have fun and sucked, and you had to spend 90 years to level a new character. When everyone has the cheapest stuff at their disposal, shit like tbc ele shaman just gets relentlessly stomped all over. TBC was a test expansion, but it is still relatively fun and skillful. Many specs/classes feel incomplete though, and wotlk helped solve this issue largely (especially hybrids). If you can go to AT TBC and find drastic changes, then I will reconsider my opinion, but AT tends to not change anything except overall comp nerfs and gear setups--and the occasional gamechanging bugs. In fact, AT tbc is probably doing its balance a favor by limiting the trinkets you can use so there's no glaives/sunwell/skull of guldan/etc
even balance aside, BC just has some huge design things that just make no sense at all
wotlk brought huge quality of life changes (let's not forget bc didn't even have focus or arena frames) that most of you probably can't remember because it's been so long
the fucking orc racial reduces your OWN healing taken by 50% for christ's sake
the basic timeline for Wow arena is--
TBC (many classes don't have enough tools)----> Wotlk (playing field leveled and everyone has sufficient tools)------> Cata (some classes start getting too many tools and doing things they shouldn't be doing ie. rogues having self heals)---->MOP (well yeah)
Maitopurkki, on 15 May 2014 - 07:51 PM, said:
All of those specs were viable in tbc. Sure feral and enha sucked dick, but good players could make them work. Just because you play in some shitty tbc realm where people cba learn their classes and just roll fotm specs, dosent mean that the other specs arent viable. Also this guy is supposed to be best hunter in AT http://www.twitch.tv/weedyxify and hes worse than cherez was 7 years ago.
But see there's a difference between a player making something work and something actually being good. They aren't mutually exclusive, but one can happen without the other.The discussion at hand is actual balance. Season 9 ele was the worst spec in all of arena quite possibly but novoz was still top 5 at multiple times if I remember correctly. That doesn't mean that ele was well balanced nor is it a way to excuse the massive imbalances that existed in s9. There are specs that are good but just really hard like s8 rogue, which end up producing poor statistics, and then there are terrible specs that are just terrible and only produce results if a player gets lucky with matchup queues/ is better than his opponents. Viability is difficult to define, but viability comes into question when nearly every single mid---top tier spec shits on the given spec. I mean, you CAN still possibly win, but is that really viability?
I love how people point to season 5 when someone glorifies wotlk. It's as if you people actually think anyone thought s5 was a "good" season. When people praise wotlk, they are talking about the fun/craziness from s7/s8.
Everything in terms of late expansions:
Nostalgia (I have no clue how to quantify this so maybe just ignore this one) :
Balance: Every expansion sucks with this. Wotlk had the most overall viability free (I am willing to debate this any day), but then you obviously had the caster/shadowmourne issues, so it's maybe something like this-
MOP(???, I played this expansion for like 2 weeks)>Wotlk>Cata>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>turd>>>>>>>>>>>>TBC
Arena Fundamentals:This is just pure arena skills that exist abstract of all the artificial "skill" created through all the stupid bullshit over the years. A general trend is that more ability float=less pure arena fundamentals and more reliance on how you use your cds. Arena fundamentals also factors in things such as actually having to cast, extreme emphasis on positioning, and coordination required. Because of the first 2, I put cata and much further down because that's when they decided that nobody liked those things.
Arena Fun: (this is obviously the most subjective )
Going back and playing each expansion without all the nostalgia:
(tbc is full of so much terrible design issues if you actually go back and try it that it's actually hugely problematic. . . also the lack of balance and slow pace is frustrating)
Sense of "Community" and Life:
Wotlk(this is when tournaments became a lot more publicized)=TBC(more forum help than wotlk)>>>>>>>>>MOP>>>Cata
AJ completely tanked in cata. You used to be able to mash f5 on aj in wotlk and see lopez and friends everywhere. You could also find hundreds of pages in one tournament thread. In cata, it was like sometimes one post per day. MOP has a little bit more of a community as aj is more active, and there's more followings, and a little bit more of a yearning for more tournaments and stuff. People are also a lot nicer here than in bc/wotlk. That probably has something to do with the fact that many of the posters here have been here for a long time, and they are finally growing up.
I don't even need to use lots of>>>>'s because it's fairly obvious how this is going to go down. TBC and Wotlk by far had a lot a lot a lot more pvp videos. Cata had a few gems here and there such as Reckful 3, but in general people stopped pumpin them up. And now in MOP, they barely exist at all.
Speaking of WoW movies, this gets my vote for best arena movie of 2014 http://www.warcraftm...w.php?id=240631 (of course it will never be popularized because it's 5 years too late but w/e)
TL;DR: Ban all Cata and MOP players from arena junkies I tried really hard to put cata #1 for one of the categories, but I hated it so idk.
bring back rank 1 frostbolt you stupid bunch of greedy bastards
Vanguards, don't just sit there posting articles about random shit nobody reads. Go on and use your connections to make them put rank 1 frostbolt back in
thanks in advance