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#4418157 The State of the Game

Posted Capstone on Today, 04:00 PM

the illusion that the community can make this game better to the extent that it will resemble its former glory is taxing

i saw this post 7 years ago. i might have made it back then

eventually, after being drowned in the futility of optimism that constructive feedback will effect meaningful change, we all crash to the reality that you cannot do anything to make this game better. after your 902nd tweet to holinka or post on your class forums detailing the ways the class could be changed to be more rewarding to everyone playing it and interactive with others, you become desensitized to the obvious neglect of your positive ideas

communities better than ours have tried to improve their decaying interest when it was out of their control and watched it struggle due to neglect. ultimately, we all have the same revelation, which is that the fate of this game is not in our hands

this game was great when blizzard made it great, and lost steam when blizzard neglected it. we had a minimal effect on either. as a matter of fact, if you think the community is shit now, understand that most of the visible community is relatively mature. you should have seen it in vanilla when we were all 16 year old shitheads. it wasn't our attitude that made the game good

it's a great sentiment. i encourage everyone to go post your ideas in that thread. i don't think it'll have a significant long term positive impact, and if you have been playing this game as long as i have, neither do you

#4418256 $5000 Prizepool 3v3 Wotlk Tournament

Posted Jamminlove on Today, 08:47 PM

As he said ladders are still being made unfortunately and there's only that temporary ladder. As to activity, the purpose of these tournaments is to try and bring some of that good old wotlk competitiveness back while supporting the community with big prize pools. We'll eventually be doing  cataclysm ones and we're pretty pumped.

For those who have known AT (now Warmane) know that we still have that profound love for this community and competitiveness and we'd like to light that spark again.

https://www.youtube....h?v=RH0JIZWSVA8 Throwback to 2013 :)

#4418007 $5000 Prizepool 3v3 Wotlk Tournament

Posted Jamminlove on Today, 05:35 AM

As some of you know AT (Arena-Tournament) merged with Molten-WoW and they formed Warmane. We still care dearly for the PvP community and we're ending this first season on our wotlk realm with a 5k prizepool 3v3 tournament.

For more information you can go to http://forum.warmane...otlk-tournament

Any questions/info about the tournament or the server itself feel free to PM me on the forums. This is the first of many tournaments to come across the expansions and hopefully I'll see some of you there.

#4390642 Favorit war movie?

Posted Fizion on 21 February 2015 - 12:03 AM

It's a toss up between Saving Private Ryan and Platoon. Honorable mention of Fury and American Sniper.

#4416756 I have a different idea

Posted Pitiless on 29 April 2015 - 09:06 PM

I remember in s6, when it was announced that barkskin would make all buffs on the druid impossible to dispel, I posted a productive thread on the dmg/healing forums saying that druids would use barkskin to make innervate undispellable, then I bumped it for several weeks and it got up to 12 pages.  The changes went through, innervate was impossible to dispel cause every druid used barkskin to cover it, then 4 months later it was nerfed (6 months after I first made the thread).  I stopped trying then.

I think every WoW PVPer goes through the 5 stages of grief:

Denial that pvp could actually be balanced so terribly
Anger that devs really are that incompetent
Bargaining in an unsuccessful attempt to get them to see reason
Depression that the game really is so crappily balanced
Acceptance that this is a PVE game and devs will never care about pvp

I think most of us are on stage 5.

#4416051 if u hate the game click this

Posted Knaittiz on 28 April 2015 - 08:32 AM

View PostAmberAT, on 28 April 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

that actually required skill absolute braindead mongo so 2,2 cata players like whaazz could get their 2700 achievement.
you know whaazz was like 10 years old in cata?

#4415943 if u hate the game click this

Posted flannelsoff on 28 April 2015 - 01:01 AM

(◕‿◕✿) Hey guys, I started doing well in arena during S14 for the first time ever and now that and prideful season are my favorite seasons of WoW pvp because I was finally relevant (◕‿◕✿)                        

   - Half this website, inconvenient truth

#4415865 Holinka you failed this game

Posted fondlesqt on 27 April 2015 - 10:49 PM

honestly the problem with this game is


Posted Djandawg on 26 April 2015 - 02:46 PM

View PostLolflay, on 26 April 2015 - 02:33 PM, said:

I said it's bad ( paying as much for WoW and services ), but not as bad as some people make it out to be.

I think it is as bad as it gets. They are charging monthly fee where only realistic service you get is GM assistance and this monthly fee doesn't cover a service that requires basic database manipulation.
About getting mileage from your money through hours played, I don't know if you saw but I just gave an example of a purchase a friend of mine made. It's a big title that will be played for 50+ hours. We are at the era of great Steam sales and great F2P titles. The monthly fee + service charges are unreal at this point.

But then again, this is a game that caters to addicts, so no matter what they do, people will keep paying, which is a shame really because the game is so bad and there are so many f2p and cheap games available.


Posted Thaya on 25 April 2015 - 06:53 PM

also are the last few posts seriously defending subscriptions or something?

i don't get it

the fact that wow is a subscription based game AS WELL as has trivial character services that cost more than said subscription is fucking retarded. has it ever crossed your mind that you're paying 20$ for a trivial database copy, in a game you're already paying 15$/month for to play?

it's like, why the fuck is this such an expensive service in a game i already pay for and should be treated like a premium customer in? most other big titles are f2p and have server transfers that cost like 5-10$ at most, why is this different?

they're just blatantly milking money because why the fuck change wow's money model when it's working good with its ~10 million subs anyway? let's just keep that rolling until it stops by itself. why change service prices if people really don't mind paying 20$ for a database copy since the moment we introduced it back in like, 2006? let's just keep getting all this money until it's no longer possible.

and it's the same thing for pvp

why the fuck put effort into pvp if there's still gonna be the same group of people playing and talking about it? band-aid fixes and mechanics are enough (such as dampening, their recent introduction/removal of flat 10% damage reduction, etc) to keep this part of the community subscribed, so why do anything at all other than directly react to shitstorms in the community?

imagine if you all guys just made a big flashmob on AJ where you'd all demand those 10% damage reduction back, like, just for a joke

it'd actually work

they don't give a fuck, they only do changes to keep you quiet. and subbed

#4414524 Stormbolt....

Posted Gekz on 24 April 2015 - 10:14 PM

these forums are actually the battle.net forums now


Posted Voksen on 24 April 2015 - 08:55 PM

The shit show ends when you give up on live/retail (and pmuch any Blizzard game at this point...RIP Blizzard 1994-2008).

To be serious about gaming, and I mean as a self-respecting gamer in 2015 - you have to move onto other things.  If you really need some kind of WoW nostalgia fix, there are plenty of private servers.  Unfortunately, most of them are bad (each has its various reasons like inactive, laggy, corrupt mods/GMs, etc.).  Corecraft is one of the last hopes, but I think its safe to say its been overhyped now and the moment has passed.  The sweetspot for capitalizing on people's "I want my 2008 back" nostalgia and uniting most of the old masters into a kind of centralized community was something that might have been done back in 2011-2012 (like with AT somewhat).  As it stands, that dream is dead.

To get on with your life, you have to basically let go of the game as is.  No patch is going to fix pvp under Holinka's watch.  The tarnish to WoW's image and popularity is pretty much non-recoverable.  Blizz already lets bots and cheaters fill-in certain queue slots, and nothing will revive the ladders/forums/blogs quite like the old days.  Elwynn forest and other locations are dead as fuck on even the best servers (the last time I checked there were 39 level 100's on US Tichondrius alliance during peak hours).  The GCD tournaments are a last grasp at buying another few debatably relevant months out of the game.  The list of (just plain logical/objective) reasons to quit go on and on.

If it were in my hands, I'd change the payment model completely.  Its 2015 and pay-to-play is almost more ridiculous then pay-to-win.  Like many have suggested, offering an officially sanctioned,  minimal-grind, pvp-only tourney realm is the only way to go.  If done right, it would be properly maintained, democratically balanced, and rolling-release adjusted.  A great, and perhaps the only post-2015 relevant way to support an end-of-life product, and to get people to opt-in and fork over $15/month worth.  It would probably have to cycle between variations of the "correct" seasons, however (e.g. S6-S7-S8 then back to S3-S4 then back to w/e was good in cata/mop).

Just my $0.02.

#4412976 so.... what you guys doing

Posted Nisslol on 21 April 2015 - 02:36 PM

View PostNoxnoxnox, on 21 April 2015 - 06:58 AM, said:

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and that all because Pojke's Godcomp (it wasnt called godcomp back then) got passed by Barburas's WMP because the season randomly got extended by and the shadowpriest Pojke was playing with went to some festival LOL


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#4411779 Is this a legit proof that WoW is a very shit game ?

Posted Voksen on 18 April 2015 - 09:27 PM

View PostThaya, on 18 April 2015 - 04:23 PM, said:

I honestly don't see why this is a bad thing?  We just have more tools and bigger communities today, that's all.
If you're trying to say that a game got ruined by the playerbase' communication improving, then maybe that game didn't have a lot of depth in the first place? "Innovation in isolation" and "secret knowledge" can suck my dick, and WoW PvP just simply has too many major design flaws which directly limit its depth (e.g. dampening). That's the problem.

I'm not saying it ruined WoW.  I'm reminding people that it is a contributing factor to the reduced longevity of modern-era games.  There are many other factors as well (especially for WoW).  The way people use the internet to publish and share information/content affects game design and game expectations.  We had it in 2000 but its way more inflated and ubiquitous now.

People don't work as hard crunching numbers, collecting research, and doing their own testing.  Our min/maxing experiences from the 2000s were contrived and people had "hidden notes".  Thats a lot different then what someone fairly new to competitive gaming goes through today.  Streams, youtube channels, 100s of fan sites, fast searches, item databases, all-out guides, and play-by-play tutorials are abundant.  Not to mention how fast it is to hook up with other gamers and talk strats via skype/voicechats.

There was also way less of a "shortest-path" power levelling culture in 2000.  People played a game, uncovered new things, toyed with build ideas, and experimented with game mechanics and duels.  Yes there were power levellers, but gamers in general were just more oblivious and less jaded by prior gaming experience back then.  Today when you walk into a new game, you already know a priori what to expect.  The transfer of prior gaming knowledge and experience is a major throw back in a generation that has been raised on games.  A kid picks up a new game today and just like typing they know how and where to look for gimmicks and cheese and rapidly probe the mechanics for effectiveness.  Combine that with title after title being essentially a rebadged twitchy spray-and-pray console port or some cartoon button bashing moba, and you've got a ton of recycled carry-over experience between games.  Thus, the comfort zone of the average gamer is inflated and more competitive (in some sense) compared to 2000.  You've got a higher level of play overall, but unfortunately because of current game design, this translates into more streamlining and cookie cutting.

Its hard to preserve mystique and under these circumstances, its hard to engineer a deep, rich atmosphere of learning/innovation in pretty much any modern game title.   I'm not sure its even possible to engineer a slow release of content and deliberately block the OP cheese from immediately rising to the surface.  We're seeing games with HUGE beta durations, where a small subset of players have nearly an all-access advantage in terms of skill development, fotm learning and progression.  Days into a beta, youtube is full of reviews, guides, and twitch fills up with strategy discussions, coaches, and so-called experts.  Everyone is an MLG pro the day after beta is launched and the game gets effectively "fully explored" by the community days after release.

There are solutions/defenses against this, but thats for another post :)


Posted flannelsoff on 16 April 2015 - 09:49 PM

I'd rather be forced to watch madonna make out with drake for 10 hours than watch a warlords of the draenei 3v3 match