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#3105080 Cheat Death?

Posted Kalimist on 04 March 2011 - 12:14 PM

Questions I usually ask my self which helps when choosing between Waylay or Cheat Death:


YES - go Cheat Death because you are likely to get killed easier than your partners once you have no cooldowns.

NO - get Waylay to have the most reliable peals for your partner and the extra ambush damage and crit.

#3005232 [Guide] The Art of Roguecraft

Posted Riodian on 21 January 2011 - 08:19 PM

Note: If you find some errors in content/spelling/grammar, post it! Thank you.

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1. Talents/Glyphs
• 1.1   Mutilate
• 1.2   Subtlety
2. Gearing
• 2.1  General
• 2.2  Enchants
• 2.3  Gemming
• 2.4  Reforging
3. Poisons
4. Macros
5. New Spells
6. Openers

• 6.1  Duels
• 6.2  Arena
7. Addons
• 7.1  General Addons
• 7.2  Rogue Addons
8. Tricks/Tips
9. Movement and Keybindings
10. Popular Setups

1. Talents/Glyphs

1.1 Mutilate:

• High sustained damage
• A considerable amount of your damage ignores armor

• Very bad mobility
• No Preparation

Common Specs:

It's the pure Damage spec (If you rarely get focused in your comp, this is the way to go)
You can also drop 2 points from Ruthlessness and take 3/3 Deadened Nervs instead.

It's THE "tank" spec (Recommended if you get trained very often)
You can also drop 2 points from Elusiveness and put them into Opportunity instead.


Prime Glyphs:

Must-haves: Mutilate
Viable: Slice and Dice, Rupture, Vendetta

Major Glyphs:

Must-haves: Garrote
Viable: Sprint, Gouge, Cloak of Shadows, Blind, Fan of Knives and Kick

1.2 Subtlety:

• High mobility
• Fast switches
• Preparation (Second smokebomb with Preparation Glyph)

• having a blast, while playing Subtlety


Common Specs:

It's the highest damage Subtlety spec (If you play a comp where you are rarely focused, then it's the way to go).
You can drop 2 points from Quickening and get Improved Recuperate instead.

It's the survival spec for Subtlety.
You can drop 2 points from Quickening and get 3/3 Puncturing Wounds instead.

A good balance between Survival and Damage.
You can drop 2 points from Quickening and get 3/3 Puncturing Wounds instead.

Recommended Glyphs:

Prime Glyphs:

Shadow Dance, Backstab, Hemorrhage

Major Glyphs:
Garrote, Preparation, Blind (arguable)

2. Gearing:

2.1 General::

The melee yellow hit cap is 5%. (7% hit against Night Elves)
5% hit is a must have.

If you want to play both specs at a reasonable level or if you're not sure what you want to play, you should gear for haste. (Reforging, Gemming, Enchanting)

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(Taken from here)

Take this table with a grain of salt, they're PvE values. However, this should give you a rough estimate of which stats are good and which aren't.


Mutilate Stat Priority: 5% Hit > Agility > Mastery > Haste > Crit > Expertise
You should have 100 Spell Penetration to reduce the Spell Resistance through BoK, MotW and Mage Armor.


Subtlety Stat Priority: 5% Hit > Agility > Crit > Haste > Mastery > Expertise

2.2 Enchants:

60 Agility and 35 haste rating (Arcanum of the Ramkahen; Requires Ramkahen - Revered)
60 Agility and 35 Resilience (Arcanum of Vicious Agility  40 Tol Barad marks from Tol Barad Quartermaster or 1000 honor from the PvP Vendor in Stormwind/Orgrimmar.

50 Agility and 25 mastery rating (Greater Inscription of Shattered Crystal; Requires Therazane - Exalted)
50 Agility and 25 resilience rating (Greater Inscription of Vicious Agility)

65 Critical Strike rating (Enchant Cloak - Greater Critical Strike, expensive)
50 Critical Strike rating (Enchant Cloak - Critical Strike, cheap)
22 Agility (Enchant Cloak - Major Agility)
70 spell penetration (Enchant Cloak - Greater Spell Piercing

40 Resilience (Enchant Chest - Mighty Resilience)
20 Stats (Enchant Chest - Peerless Stats)

50 Agility (Enchant Bracer - Agility, expensive)
50 Crit (Enchant Bracer - Critical Strike, cheap)
65 Haste (Enchant Bracer - Greater Speed, expensive)
50 Haste (Enchant Bracer - Speed, cheap)


65 Mastery (Enchant Gloves - Greater Mastery, expensive)
50 Mastery (Enchant Gloves - Mastery, cheap)

50 Haste (Enchant Gloves - Haste, cheap)

190 attack power and 55 critical strike rating. (Dragonscale Leg Armor)

With Quickening: 35 Agility (Enchant Boots - Major Agility)
Without Quickening:
25 Agility and Minor Movement Speed (Enchant Boots - Assassin's Step, expensive)
30 Stamina and Minor Movement Speed(Enchant Boots - Earthen Vitality, cheap)

Enchant Weapon - Landslide(expensive)
Enchant Weapon - Hurricane (cheap)
Pyrium Weapon Chain

2.3 Gemming:

54 Agility and 3% Increased Critical Damage (Agile Shadowspirit Diamond)
OR 54 Crit Rating and 1% Spell Reflect (Destructive Shadowspirit Diamond)

40 Agility (Delicate Inferno Ruby)


20 Agility + 20 Mastery Rating (Adept Ember Topaz)
20 Agility and +20 Resilience Rating (Lucent Ember Topaz)

20 Agility + 20 Crit Rating ( Deadly Ember Topaz)

For both:
20 Agility + 20 Haste Rating (Deft Ember Topaz)

20 Agility + 20 Hit (Glinting Demonseye; not Hit capped)
20 Agility + 30 Stamina (Shifting Demonseye; already Hit capped)

50 Spell Penetration (Stormy Ocean Sapphire; Mutilate only)

Gemming Advice:

20 Agility + 20 Resilience in yellow, unless you plan to wear 2-3 PvE items in which case 20 Agility + 20 Resilience in Red and 40 Resilience in Yellow.

It's the best to go for 40 Agility almost everywhere (30% Agility through Specialization  and 5% Agility through Leather Specialization.)
unless you need the hit. In which case 20 Agility + 20 Hit in your blue sockets are probably the best bet.

2.4 Reforging:

Mutilate Priority: 5% Hit > Mastery > Haste > Crit > Expertise

Subtlety Priority: 5% Hit > Crit > Haste > Mastery > Expertise

3.0 Poisons

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The proc chance of Wound Poison scales with weapon speed and it deals a small amount of damage.
It's good against melees and casters, because it does some damage and reduces the effects of all healing abilities by 10%.

Wound Poison proc chance based on weapon speed:

1.3 Speed - 46.43%
1.4 Speed - 50.00%
1.5 Speed - 53.57%
1.6 Speed - 57.14%
1.7 Speed - 60.71%
1.8 Speed - 64.29%
2.6 Speed - 92.86%
2.8 Speed - 100.00%

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It doesn't scale with the weapon speed, it's a set Proc Rate, so put this on a fast weapon
It's a must-have in PvP as Subtlety (Mutilate doesn't need Crippling Poison due to Deadly Brew)

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It works like this:
Until you have a five stack up, it will regularly proc from whatever weapon you applied it to (it is not a PPM (It doesn't scale with the weapon speed, it's a set Proc Rate, so put this on a fast weapon).
When it does reach five stacks, procs will not only refresh the Stack, it will also Proc the Poison from your other weapon.

This mechanic makes very potent when used in combination with a Poison that deals direct damage (Wound Poison and Instant Poison). Because it increases the amount of hits from your other Poison it has amazing synergy with Instant Poison and is responsible for Assassinations high damage.

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This poison deals a decent amount of damage (albeit only with Improved Poisons, Mutilate Mastery and Vile Poisons).
The proc chance scales with weapon speed; the slower the weapon the higher the proc chance.
Dealing only auto attacks the damage from this poison is the same no matter what the weapon speed is.
Including specials, the damage scales a lot better with slow weapons, as it proccs off of any mainhand attack.
Due to this mechanic it is clearly the best poison as Assassination for your mainhand, but it also makes it a rather bad poison for Subtlety (it lacks Improved Poisons, Vile Poisons, Mutilate Mastery, as well as an offhand with Deadly poison on it).

Instant Poison proc chances WITHOUT Improved Poisons:

1.3 Speed - 18.57%
1.4 Speed - 20.00%
1.5 Speed - 21.43%
1.6 Speed - 22.86%
1.7 Speed - 24.29%
1.8 Speed - 25.71%
2.6 Speed - 37.14%
2.8 Speed - 40.00%

Instant Poison proc chances WITH Improved Poisons:

1.3 Speed - 27.86%
1.4 Speed - 30.00%
1.5 Speed - 32.14%
1.6 Speed - 34.29%
1.7 Speed - 36.43%
1.8 Speed - 38.57%
2.6 Speed - 55.71%
2.8 Speed - 60.00%

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It doesn't scale with the weapon speed, it's a set Proc Rate.
It's great against casters, but useless against melees.

3.1 Mutilate:

Main Hand: Instant Poison
Off Hand: Deadly Poison
Throw Weapon: Mind-Numbing Poison or Wound Poison

3.2 Subtlety:

Main Hand: Wound Poison or Mind-Numbing Poison
Off Hand: Crippling Poison
Throw Weapon: Crippling Poison

Poison Macros:

Replace Poison1/2/3/4 with the Poison you want.


/use [modifier: alt] Poison1; [modifier: shift] Poison2; [modifier: ctrl] Poison3; Poison4

/use [button:1] 16; [button:2] 17; [button:3] 18

/click StaticPopup1Button1

Left mousebutton to apply on Main Hand.
Right mousebutton to apply on Off Hand.
Middle mousebutton to apply on Throw Weapon.

Tricks of the Trade on a friendly target:
Replace name with the name of the target that you want to buff with Tricks of the Trade.


/cast [@name] Tricks of the Trade

Stealth Ability with Premeditation:
Replace abilityname with the wanted Ability.

#showtooltip abilityname

/cast Premeditation

/cast abilityname
Recommended abilities: Garrote, Cheap Shot and Ambush.

Combo Point Builder with startattack and [nostealth] (Add [nostealth] conditionals to every ability which is used out of stealth to avoid barlag issues):
Replace abilityname with a Combo Point Build ability.


/startattack [nostealth]

/cast [nostealth] abilityname
Recommended abilities: Hemorrhage, Backstab, Mutilate and Shiv.

It trys to sap the nearest enemy player.




/cast Sap

Focus Redirect and Focus Kidney Shot after that:


/castsequence [@focus] reset=20 Redirect, Kidney Shot
Improved Preparation :

#showtooltip Preparation

/castsequence reset=10 !Sprint,null


/cast Preparation
Blind Arena Target 1/2/3/4/5:
Replace X with 1,2 or 3.

/cast [@arenaX] Blind

Focus Arena Target X:
It's a fast and good way, to manage the focus targets in arena. (You have to replace X with 1,2 or 3 per macro)

/focus arenaX
You can drop Blind arena1/2/3 if you use this macros with a focus blind macro.
Obviously if you have the spare binds, then it's better to have both /focus arenaX and /cast[@arenaX]Blind macros, but if you don't then the setup above gives you a bit more flexibility.

Shadow Dance:
Activating Shadow Dance on the first use, while in Shadow Dance you're casting Garrote with Premeditation. Saves a keybind for Garrote.

#show tooltip Shadow Dance

/cast Premeditation

/cast Garrote
/cast Shadow Dance

Barlag Avoidance:
Shadow Dance [stance:3]
Stealth [stance:1]
Vanished [stance:2]
Without Stealth/Vanish/Shadow Dance [stance:0]
This macro avoids the annoying barlag.


/cast [stance:0] Z

/startattack [nostealth]

/cast [stance:3] X

/cast [stance:1/2/3] Premeditation

/cast [stance:1/2] Y

While Shadow Dance and Stealthed you're casting Sap otherwise you're casting Gouge.


/cast [stance:0] Gouge

/cast [stance:1/2/3] Sap

A great way to bind focus cast on your abilities.(You have to pick ONE modifier:)

/cast [@focus, mod:SHIFT/ALT/CTRL][@target, nomod] Abilityname

If you use the keybind of your ability without the modifier, you're casting on your target. If you press the modifier and the keybind of the ability, you're casting on your focus target.

Recommended abilities: Redirect, Kidney Shot, Gouge, Sap, Kick, Disarm, Blind, Shadow Step and Cheap Shot.

Focus only Macros:

Replace abilityname with the ability you want.


/cast [@focus] abilityname
Recommended abilities: Redirect, Kidney Shot, Gouge, Sap, Disarm, Blind, Shadow Step and Cheap Shot.

5. New Spells

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There are so many uses with this spell.
Avoiding CCs, nuke targets in a Smoke Bomb (with Kidney Shot, when trinket is already down), forcing trinket (Kidney Shot + Smoke Bomb), saving your mates, Dispel protection on CC’d targets, etc.
My favorite one is that it breaks Stealth on your enemies (NOT Vanish)

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Good spell for fast, unexpected switches (5 CP Kidney Shot after Redirect)

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Very nice spell. With Improved Recuperate it increases your survival by a good margin.

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Very strong defensive cooldown against melees/Hunters. Useless against casters that don't have a pet that deals physical damage.

6. Openers

6.1 Duels

Against Casters:

Against Non Mages:

Sap Posted Image Garrote (with  Premeditation and without breaking Sap) Posted Image Shiv (for Crippling Poison Proc) Posted Image Backstab/Hemorrhage Posted Image Kidney Shot ~0,2 seconds before the Garrote Silence fades.

Sap Posted Image Garrote Posted Image Envenom (to stack Deadly Poison up) Posted Image 2x Mutilate Posted Image Kidney Shot

Against Mages:

Sap Posted Image Garrote (with Premeditation) without breaking Sap Posted Image instantly Kidney Shot him Posted Image spam Backstab/Eviscerate until the Silence fades (you can use Shadow Dance at this point and spam Ambush instead of backstab).

Don't even try to duel a Mage.

Against Melees:

Non Warriors:

Sap Posted Image Garrote (with Premeditation) Posted Image 2x Backstab/Hemorrhage Posted Image Kidney Shot (from behind)

Sap Posted Image Garrote Posted Image 2x Mutilate Posted Image Kidney Shot


Sprint/Dark FlightPosted Image Garrote (with Premeditation) Posted Image Hemorrhage (for the bleed debuff) Posted Image Backstab Posted Image Kidney Shot (from behind)

Sprint/Dark Flight Posted Image SapPosted Image Garrote Posted Image 2x Mutilate Posted Image Kidney Shot

6.2 Arena

Mutilate and Subtlety:
Most of the time you have to open with Cheap Shot instead of Garrote followed by a Kidney Shot, because the enemy can easily run away

7. Addons

7.1 General Addons

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LoseControl makes it easy to see the duration of crowd control spells by displaying them in a dedicated icon onscreen.

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OmniCC is an addon that adds text to items/spells/abilities that are on cooldown to indicate when they'll be ready for use.

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Gladius adds enemy unit frames to arenas for easier targeting and focusing. It is highly configurable and you can disable most features of this addon.

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Quartz is a highly configurable cast bar addon.

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Tidy Plates enhances World of Warcraft's nameplates (ie. floating health bars) and provides a built-in API which can be used to create your own design.

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This addon places a highlighted border around various enemy buffs on the target and focus frames that your class is able to dispel, just like a rogue sees a border around buffs he can Shiv dispel.

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This Addon says a clear /say message when you kick something, immediately letting your teamates know you locked a school of the enemy and that your kick is on cooldown.

7.2 Rogue Addons

#1963712 getting feared...alot

Posted explodyhead on 17 March 2010 - 11:04 PM

resto shammies are clearly the best healer in the game vs fear, bcuz tremor is OP

-paladins get 30% fear duration reduction, bubble, sac and aoe sac to avoid fears or negate their durations.  INFERIOR!

-priests get 30% reduced fear duration, fear ward and sw:d to negate fear durations.  INFERIOR!

-druids heal on the move, move REALLY fast and realistically never eat an aoe fear.  INFERIOR!

-shamans get tremor totem which pulses every 3 seconds, which has 5 hp and sometimes even works.  all at the mere cost of 1 global, positioning your entire team within a few yards of the totem so nobody runs out of range in the fear durations, which is foolproof against an aoe fear bomb with a totem stomp.  VASTLY SUPERIOR!

in all seriousness, tremor is a stupid mechanic for resto shamans in particular, simply because getting the most out of it requires you to be in a pretty horrible position, even if you're just breaking your teammates out.  your team's lifeline is directly proportionate to whether you still have a trinket or not, and i promise you that a full duration fear is often plenty to guarantee you burn that.  

assume that you have a tremor totem down and you eat a fear, and one second later your tremor is destroyed.  assuming that this totem has been alive some time longer than 3 seconds, but beyond that it's anybody's guess, well, this means that 33% of the time you are getting out of that fear early, eating up to a 1 second fear rather than a 9 second one, and the other 66% of the time you are eating 30% more fear than any other class, a 9 second fear as opposed to a 6+ second one if you were a different class.

this means that in the above scenario, tremor is on average making your fears last (1 second + 9 seconds + 9 seconds)/3= 6.3 seconds, which oh my sweet baby jesus is the exact same duration that any class but a druid will sit in a fear for, every time, all the time, regardless of position, RNG and mad skillz.

extrapolate this and say that the faster you are totem stomped in relation to the time of the fear, the longer your fears will, on average, last compared to a different healer.  you are now worse off than anything except a druid eating a fear as soon as the totem stomping happens sooner than 1 second after the fear lands.

now imagine a world where not only are you being feared and getting stomped, but you are getting stomped in succession, whether by pets, by priests mowing down those glowing green gobs faster than zombies in redneck rampage, whatever it may be.  now you see a priest or a lock going for the fear and your tremor is stomped.  let's say you have catlike reflexes, get down a new tremor HURRAY!  you got the tremor, now you just have to hope that nobody stomps your totem, and you don't run out of range of it by the 3 second mark.

so to sum it up: tremor is mad OP as long as it never gets stomped, and is pretty balanced from an insane, drunken, german gynecologist RNG standpoint as long as it is only stomped 1 second or later after you eat a fear when it is up.

#1780776 [3v3] WLD no raiding gear. Axe or Mace?

Posted Fandom on 29 January 2010 - 02:27 AM

What has amazed me the most in this expansion is that ANY combination of gear can get you to gladiator and even #1 gladiator ranks.

We've seen it all. Axes with arp gems. Axes with str gems. Maces with str gems. Maces with arp gems. Some prot warrior with only crit gems in his gear getting Glad. You name it, IT WORKS. Stop stressing out and try some shit for yourself. Go for the looks. Do you like how the mace looks? Go for it. Do you like the looks of the skull on the new axe? Make it your friend. Then work from there. Do you destroy RMPs and Warlock cleaves but have trouble with 'men', TSGs and all that? ARP is your new weapon of choice.

There is only 1 thing that is good with this expansion and that is variety in specs and gear, compared to how it used to be in TBC 'Mace and str gems, end of story'. Enjoy it while it lasts and try to make a decision for yourself for once.

#1729184 Arena MS paint rage thread!

Posted magehage on 17 January 2010 - 10:07 PM

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#1685853 Just for fun; possible Rated Arathi Basin setup

Posted Stratos on 06 January 2010 - 10:24 PM

Kelberot said:

damage going down, health going up, great for arenas!

rated BGs with premades playing some sort of outlast team with a shitload of resilience and prot specs... doesn't sound appealing :(

Don't worry it will all be balanced..

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