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#3758100 5.4 PVP Power and Resilience Guide

Posted Yes on 03 September 2012 - 01:10 AM

Awesome post!


#3758088 5.4 PVP Power and Resilience Guide

Posted Eldacar on 03 September 2012 - 01:00 AM

Eldacar's Guide to PVP Power & Resilience


Hello PVP'ers! For those of you that don't know me I go by Eldacar and I am a long time PVP'er and PVP Theorycrafter, as well as a member of Blizzard's forum MVP program. I write PVP focused guides and do everything I can to help the PVP community grow and prosper, which is why I wrote this PVP Stats Guide. You can find me on twitter as @EldacarJS and on the US Official Forums as Eldacar@Boulderfist. This guide goes into a lot of detail and gets into some complex stuff in a few places, if you have questions leave them in the comments and I will answer them as best I can.

** PATCH 5.4 CHANGES**
- The base damage reduction of Resilience was increased to 72%.
- The Resilience rating to damage reduction conversion formula was altered.

Summary & Key Points:
-Resilience has linear returns, +100 Resilience rating increases your effective health by 1.235% relative to displayed health.
-PVP Power has linear returns, +400 PVP Power gives you +1% damage or healing in PVP (before spec modifiers).
-The latest season's PVP gear is generally the best gear for instanced PVP, however in world PVP players with heroic raiding gear will have an advantage.
-PVP Power does not cancel out a target's Resilience but it will still help you hit them or heal them harder.
-It is generally ineffective to gem for PVP Power, gemming for primary stats is more effective in most cases.
-The PVP trinket set bonus offers roughly 8.25% effective damage reduction and will always increase your effective health by 32.11% of your displayed health.

Table of Contents:

Section 1 - Resilience
1A - The Exponential Returns of Damage Reduction
1B - The Diminishing Returns of Resilience Rating
1C - Baseline Damage Reduction
1D - Effective Health
1E - The Full Scale of Resilience
1F – Resilience on Items

Section 2 - PVP Power
2A - The Absolute vs Relative Returns of PVP Power
2B - PVP Power's Interaction with Resilience

Section 3 - Gemming for PVP

Section 4 - Closing Thoughts and Remarks

Section 5 - Appendix
Appendix A - Valuation and Frame of Reference
Appendix B - Formulas


Section 1 - Resilience



Everyone reading this likely already has at least a general understanding of how Resilience works; its fundamental purpose is to provide percentage based damage reduction against all damage done by players, the more Resilience you have the less damage you take. That is fairly straightforward and easy to understand; however understanding how the stat scales and all the factors at work is more complicated. There are three main factors that go into how Resilience scales, first is the exponential returns of percentage based damage reduction, second is the diminishing returns of Resilience rating, and third is the baseline 72% reduction that all players have in PVP.

Section 1A - The Exponential Returns of Damage Reduction



The effects of percentage based damage reduction scale exponentially, the more you have the more valuable additional damage reduction becomes. For example, let's say someone is hitting you for 100 damage, if you have 0% damage reduction and you add 1% that 100 damage is reduced to 99 damage, a 1% effective reduction. However if you already have 90% damage reduction and you add another 1% that 100 base damage which was already reduced to 10 is now further reduced to 9. That change in incoming damage from 10 to 9 is a 10% reduction in actual damage taken by adding just 1% of damage reduction.

Here is a graph that shows how the value of damage reduction increases as you gain more:

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As you can see at 50% damage reduction additional reduction is worth twice as much as normal, at 90% its worth ten times as much as normal. This kind of scaling isn't unique to Resilience, armor and any other percentage based damage reduction (even in other games) function the same way. Games control the overall scaling of these mechanics by manipulating how fast you are awarded the damage reduction.

One additional note on this, in World of Warcraft different damage reduction mechanics have multiplicative relationships NOT additive, what that means is that the value scaling for any one of these mechanics is only accurate within that one mechanic. At 50% damage reduction from Resilience an extra 1% from Resilience is effectively worth 2%, however none of this has any bearing on the value of additional damage reduction from say armor, that scales totally independently but in a similar fashion. Because these defensive stats scale independently from each other and have a multiplicative relationship they can each be examined and valued independently.

Section 1B - The Diminishing Returns of Resilience Rating



For Resilience the main factor that counters the exponential scaling of percentage based damage reduction is the diminishing returns on Resilience rating. The more Resilience rating you have the less damage reduction is awarded by each additional point of rating, as shown in the graph below. This is how Blizzard controls the overall scaling of Resilience as a whole, and it is what they change when they want to alter the way Resilience scales.

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As you can see in the graph, the amount of additional damage reduction provided by additional Resilience gradually declines as Resilience rating increases.

Section 1C - Baseline PVP Damage Reduction



Mists of Pandaria added a new factor to the way Resilience scales, the baseline PVP damage reduction that all players have which was increased from 65% to 72% in patch 5.4. What this has effectively done is significantly shrink the damage reduction gap between under geared players and fully geared players. This combined with the limited availability of Resilience on gear and through gems has significantly lessened the impact of resilience as a stat at level 90. The difference in damage reduction between a fresh level 90 and someone in the best possible pvp gear is now relatively small.

Section 1D - Effective Health



Effective Health (or EH) is perhaps the most critical metric for measuring survivability. Effective health is essentially how much pre-mitigated damage it takes to kill you. If you have 100k health and 0% damage reduction your effective health is just that same 100k. However if you have 100k health and 50% damage reduction your effective health is 200k, because someone would need to do the equivalent of 200k pre-mitigaged damage to kill you.

It is also important to note that more than just increasing the size of your effective health pool, damage reduction also increases the relative effectiveness of heals on you. With 50% damage reduction a 1k heal actually restores 2k of effective health. This is one of the reasons why increasing your effective health through damage reduction is better than increasing your effective health an equivalent amount through raw stamina.

Effective health is really the stat that best indicates the value you are getting from Resilience and it is the stat you need to be paying attention to when evaluating the survivability of your character. Effective health is displayed on the graphs below as a percentage relative to displayed health, an effective health (EH) value of 150% for a player with a 100k displayed health pool would mean that player has an effective health from just Resilience of 150k. When you factor in other effects like armor and damage reduction from talents your EH is higher but we are just looking at Resilience by itself here.

Looking at effective health over the full scale of resilience as shown below illustrates how the exponential returns of damage reduction and the diminishing returns of Resilience rating combine to cancel each other out and generate perfectly linear returns.

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As you can see the effective health returns of resilience are perfectly linear, adding 100 Resilience rating will always increase your effective health by 1.235% relative to your displayed health.

Section 1E - The Full Scale of Resilience



This next graph brings it all together displaying both the scaling of damage reduction and effective health based on Resilience rating at level 90 in patch 5.4.

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This graph should drive home once again that although the damage reduction you get from additional Resilience diminishes the more you get your effective health continues in a linear fashion anyway thanks to the increasing relative value of that damage reduction.

Section 1F - Resilience on Items



At this point you may be thinking "I want to get as much resilience as possible and become totally unkillable!" which sounds great, but unfortunately it is a bit impractical. Although there is no Resilience cap you are extremely limited in the amount of resilience you can get in game on current season items. Most fully geared players will have around 3375, which is what you get from the PVP trinket set bonus and the PVP meta gem. The lack of resilience on gear is not a big issue because currently a player with nothing but the baseline 72% reduction already has 357% effective health, which is more than most fully geared players had at the end of Cataclysm.

For those of you contemplating using a PVE trinket or two here are some facts to help you make your decision. The 2600 Resilience offered by the PVP trinket set bonus provides roughly 2.31% additional damage reduction from baseline, which is about 8.25% effective damage reduction after factoring in the value scaling. Furthermore the set bonus will always increase your effective health by 32.11% relative to displayed health, so if you are currently at baseline you would go from 357% EH to 389% EH.

Section 2 - PVP Power



PVP Power is a relatively new stat introduced to the game in Mists of Pandaria which acts as the offensive compliment to Resilience. The idea behind this new stat is to encourage players to use PVP gear in PVP by putting major PVP-only offensive gains onto PVP gear (or in the case of healers, healing gains). PVP Power increases all damage done to players (under all circumstances), and healing done (while outside PVE-instances), by a percentage that increases based on how much PVP Power rating you have. The amount of each bonus you get is also dependent on your class and spec.

-Healing specs receive 100% of the healing bonus but 0% of the damage bonus
-All other specs receive 100% of the damage bonus and a partial healing bonus depending on class.
-Damage specs for Druids, Monks, Paladins, Priests, and Shamans receive a 70% healing bonus.
-All other specializations and classes (including tanking) receive a 40% bonus to healing from PvP Power.

PVP Power is currently the primary differentiator between PVP gear and PVE gear. It is a "free" stat on PVP gear, meaning it is not factored into the item's stat budget. As a result when comparing PVP items to PVE items of the same item level all the general-purpose stats should be equivalent but the PVP gear will have PVP Power on it as well making it a better choice for PVP. This fact is particularly important due to the presence of item level limits in all instanced PVP. The item level limits change with each season, but their purpose is to limit the item level of PVE gear to be equal to or lower than the item level of the current season's PVP gear. These two factors together generally ensure that the current season's PVP gear is always the best gear for instanced PVP. However the item level limits do not function in the open world, so in world PVP a player in the latest heroic raiding gear will likely (and unfortunately) have a large gear advantage.

Section 2A - The Absolute vs Relative Returns of PVP Power



PVP Power's scaling is very straight forward; it has linear returns when looking at it in an absolute sense, adding 400 PVP Power will always give you another +1% damage or healing in PVP depending on your spec. So every additional point of PVP Power will increase your damage/healing by the same amount. However I have seen some players around the forums describing PVP Power as having diminishing returns, and they are correct to an extent.

If you evaluate the returns of PVP Power in a relative sense it does have diminishing returns, going from 0%-1% will give you the same absolute damage increase as going from 30-31%, but in the latter case that damage increase is smaller relative to the damage you are already doing. Virtually everything in the game operates the same way. Think about primary stats for example; +3000 strength would give a warrior a pretty nice bump in damage right now. However if Blizzard said "Hey we like you random warrior!" and bumped their strength up to 100,000 then that +3000 strength would suddenly be worth a lot less to them even though it would still increase their damage by the same amount. The reality is that in order for a stat to offer you consistent relative gains as you gear up the stat would need to have increasing absolute returns, in other words it would need to give you more and more damage or healing the more of it you got. (For more info on absolute vs relative valuation see Appendix A)

Now it is time to look at the actual scaling of PVP power, which is shown in the graph below.

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As shown in this graph PVP Power's returns are perfectly linear. You gain either +1% damage or healing for every 400 PVP Power you have, this is also the “baseline” upon which the reduced healing bonuses for non-healing spec are based. The red line shows the healing bonus for hybrids (70% of baseline), and the yellow line shows the healing bonus for everyone else (40% of baseline).

Section 2B - PVP Power's Interaction with Resilience



The most common misconception that most players seem to have about PVP Power is that it acts as a kind of "Resilience Penetration" which counteracts the target's damage reduction 1 for 1, that is simply not true. PVP Power increases your damage by the percentage shown in your stat panel, it always increases it by that same amount regardless of how much damage reduction the target has. Your outgoing damage is calculated first, then the target's damage reduction mitigates that damage according to their stats.

Take for example a warrior who's swing always does 100 damage in PVE. This warrior gets a +50% damage increase from PVP Power in PVP, so that 100 damage get's increased to 150 damage in PVP. This warrior has now decided to attack a paladin that looked at him the wrong way. Lets say the paladin has +50% damage reduction; so when the warrior's 150 damage hits him it is reduced to down to 75. That is how PVP Power and Resilience interact, the outgoing damage is boosted up by PVP Power, then the total incoming damage is mitigated down by Resilience.

Section 3 - Gemming for PVP



One of the most popular questions I get is "What should I gem for?" Unfortunately I cannot provide a clear cut answer to that question. The answer is dependent on your gear level, class, spec, play style and more. My recommendation is to check how the pros of your class/spec are gemming, and then experiment to see what works best for your personal play style. However I will say that it is typically ineffective to gem PVP Power at level 90, gemming primary stats is generally more effective for damage or healing.

Choosing the best gem for survivability is significantly more complicated. Stamina gems will almost always provide you with more effective health, but Resilience gems don't lag too far behind in the effective health they add. Additionally Resilience gems scale up in value proportional to the amount of healing you receive because they increase the amount of effective health restored by that healing. For now I recommend gemming for resilience if you are looking to increase your survivability, but I will look at this topic in more depth in a future guide.

Section 4 - Closing Thoughts and Remarks



I hope that this guide has been illuminating for everyone that has taken the time to read it, I have tried to provide as much accurate and detailed information as possible about the way these stats work. If you have questions about these stats or about anything written here feel free to ask and I will do my best to get you an answer.

I error checked this guide many times however I am still human, so if you believe you see an error please let know and I will look into it. I also want to make it clear that although I am a member of Blizzard's Forum MVP program I am NOT a Blizzard employee and nothing in this guide is based on any kind of inside information. All the data in this guide was all generated based on direct in-game observation and calculations based on that observed data.

General Notes
-This guide is written for level 90 players, the numbers are different at lower levels
-This guide just underwent a major update and revision, if you notice a typo please let me know!
-Some of the graph types from previous versions of the guide have been removed to reduce the complexity of the guide, but may return in the future.


Section 5 - Appendices



This is some additional information about some of the ideas, concepts, and data discussed in this guide. Additional appendices may be added over time as needed.

Appendix A - Valuation and Frame of Reference



Absolute valuation compares numbers based on addition and subtraction, IE going from 30% damage reduction to 60% damage reduction is an absolute gain of 30%. Relative valuation compares numbers using ratios, IE going from 30% damage reduction to 60% damage reduction is a relative gain of 100%. Why is this important? Because taking the example a step further, going from 60% to 90% is an absolute gain of 30%, exactly the same as before, but it is a relative gain of 50%, half as much as before. So if this trend were to continue, it would signify linear absolute returns but diminishing relative returns. This guide primarily uses absolute valuation because it is much easier to understand and work with when comparing a large number of data points to a common baseline.

Frame of reference is another critical concept for evaluating data, particularly when most of the data is in percentages. There are two basic methods that can be used to evaluate a string of data points; constant frame of reference, or progressive frame of reference. Constant frame of reference uses one common baseline value as a reference point, every data point is compared to that baseline. In contrast a progressive frame of reference compares each data point to the data point before it. Take for example this set of data points: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. On a graph using a constant frame of reference they would be displayed as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (all data points were compared to a baseline of 0). However on a graph using a progressive frame of reference they would be displayed as 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 (each data point was 1 larger than the number before it).

Using a constant frame of reference makes it much easier to evaluate the actual changes in the progression of a data set, where as using a relative frame of reference allows you to better evaluate changes in the rate of change over the progression of a data set. Since we are more interested in the actual changes than the rate of change when viewing the scaling of stats I chose to use a constant frame of reference for the graphs in this guide.

Appendix B - Formulas



The formula I use to calculate damage reduction from resilience in patch 5.4 is:
Reduction %  = ((28900*0.72)+x)/(28900+x)
x represents resilience rating.

The formula I use to calculate damage increase from PVP is:
Damage increase %  =  x/400
x represents PVP Power rating


#3755460 Feedback after upgrade

Posted Sykeasaurus on 31 August 2012 - 01:29 AM

I strongly dislike not being able to see who repped me.  Actually.


#3753574 PROOF @hydrahacked

Posted mukuld50 on 28 August 2012 - 07:15 PM

View PostWildeHilde, on 28 August 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Guys I think it's time to slow down. Whatever happened - both of the accussed players played some of the most amazing matches in arena history. Starting a shit storm is ok, having a laugh, too, but there is a limit. Give them a break, let the dust settle, they got the message.

Are you being serious right now?  After all the shit that was talked to me and supported by you in a very aggressive manner?  This is a freaking ILLEGAL thing that was done. Identity theft is indeed a very serious crime.  To say that "give them a break, they played amazing matches, they deserve to not go to jail for 15 years" is so unfathomably silly, I do not know where to start.

Unbelievable.

Its okay guys, they played some amazing games in history of The World Of Warcraft, it is okay to start a shitstorm since they murdered someone, but there is a limit.   Freaking joke.


#3747046 Wintrading on EU-Vindication, again

Posted Epzyxo on 20 August 2012 - 04:04 PM

View PostHendie, on 20 August 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Proof ?!

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#3747045 Wintrading on EU-Vindication, again

Posted Hendie on 20 August 2012 - 03:56 PM

View PostGeru, on 20 August 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

theres no such thing on aj cuz starcookie would be listed on it (inb4 deleted by starcookie)

Proof ?!


#3747014 Wintrading on EU-Vindication, again

Posted Geru on 20 August 2012 - 02:58 PM

theres no such thing on aj cuz starcookie would be listed on it (inb4 deleted by starcookie)


#3739602 How to get viewers on twitch

Posted Dakkrothy on 07 August 2012 - 04:10 AM

just me who actually thinks sodapoppins stream is one of the most entertaining one? lol


#3738819 Warrior pvp

Posted etilia on 04 August 2012 - 11:47 PM

Hola!


Have been thinking about that fix a Warrior to the high level that I never had a high level. Have all the classes 85, but NOT warrior, more or less nothing about the class haha. Has a 71 Warr on an old acc that I may send over to my main acc.


Arms I've realized that it is applicable, but spells and so on, what should I consider? If the banner was apparently so I will therefore pvp'a :).


Is a small gamble that question here on FB but Maybe they will find a friendly soul who will actually respond and do not pass me to Swifty's channel on the tube.




PS. SORRY FOR THE STUPID ENGLISH, TRANSLATED IT FROM MY MAIN LANGUAGE @ google/translate haha. And I'm lazy, hope you will understand some of it. TY :D


#3738190 Forbes report about severe Activision/Blizzard problems

Posted WildeHilde on 03 August 2012 - 10:28 AM

Source is Forbes: http://www.forbes.co...s-achilles-heel

Whenever we see a stock that has 74% of analysts rating it a buy and 26% of analysts rating it a hold we usually get interested in the company. Why is nobody selling? Is the company really that perfect? Can this be the dream stock that we have all been looking for our entire lives?

Probably not!

After looking into Activision Blizzard, Inc. (ATVI), we discovered an amazing looking company that is unfortunately almost completely sustained by the revenue it reaps from one game, World of Warcraft. When considering that the same company has a 60% majority shareholder (Vivendi) looking to sell its shares in the company you get the potential for a catastrophic situation. What if strong competition were to come into the MMORPG space (massively multiplayer online role playing game) and take market share away from World of Warcraft? How long would Vivendi wait before it starts jumping ship on the open market?

Short sellers beware, huge profits may lie ahead.

Vivendi (VIV:PA) is a publicly traded French company that has seen its shares steadily battered for the last three years. The shares have fallen from a high of 23.90 euros all the way down to a low of 12.70 euros, leaving shareholders very angry with management. Fearing for their jobs, management at Vivendi has decided to sell some of their equity interests around the world in an effort to boost their own share price.
Activision was their first logical candidate for sale. The stock has done virtually nothing for the past two years, usually trading in a tight range between $12.50 and $11.50. The only times that we have seen this company spike was when a new hit videogame was released, usually causing the stock to make a sudden 5% jump only to quickly trickle back down over the coming week. Not much can be said about this company in terms of dividends either; the common has a yield of 1.6%.

Vivendi originally tried to sell its majority ownership in the company for a 20% premium on the private market, but even the esteemed bankers at Goldman Sachs and Barclays could not find any takers for this deal. This clearly shows general pessimism regarding ATVI’s future. Vivendi then lowered its premium target from 20% to 12% in an attempt to seek an interested party. This failed as well — clearly not a vote of confidence from the market.

So now we must ask the question, how long will Vivendi be willing to hold its stake in ATVI if the company’s stock starts falling?  Since management cannot find a buyer for their stake in ATVI on the private market, will they simply watch their company’s share price decline along with Activision’s? That seems unlikely.

So now the question becomes – what will cause ATVI’s stock price to decline so sharply that it would force Vivendi to begin selling its majority stake in the company on the open market?

World of Warcraft (WoW) has helped ATVI maintain its stock price, with this one single game providing roughly 30% of the revenue for the entire company via its expansion packs and monthly payments. Subscription revenue alone totaled $1.2 billion both in 2008 and 2009, and an additional $1.36 billion in 2010. Corresponding costs (the overhead cost of maintaining WoW’s virtual world) totaled a mere $404 million in the first two years mentioned, and $241 million in 2010. This means that WoW subscriptions have generated gross margins over 80% consistently. Since WoW has very high operating leverage any decline in revenue will have dramatic effects on the bottom line.

Guild Wars 2 is a fierce competitor that is creeping up on Activision’s WoW title at the end of August 2012 that we believe many investors have not factored into their ATVI recommendations. Guild Wars 2 has already been ruled by many on blogs and discussion boards as superior to WoW just based on the experience gamers shared while playing the Guild Wars 2 beta. Competition seems to be coming in strong indeed against WoW.  Guild Wars was developed by ArenaNet, which is owned by South Korean-based NCsoft.

To play Guild Wars 2, all you need to do is pay $60 for a copy of the game and you no longer have to pay any monthly fees. WoW requires an initial purchase of $60 and a payment of $15 per month just to play the game. Guild Wars 2 will has the potential to attract many of the new MMORPG players that have been stuck in limbo since titles like RIFT (developed by Trion Worlds founded by former Electronic Arts and NCsoft employees), AION (developed by NCsoft), and Star Wars failed to take-off and beat WoW. What we have now is an entire generation of gamers that tried to switch from WoW to a new MMORPG but found themselves exactly where they started due to lackluster titles being released. With the release of a new game that has better graphics and better gameplay than WoW, one would be hard pressed to find reasons why gamers would not make the switch.

ATVI acknowledges the risk of WoW experiencing greater competition, without specifically pointing to Guild Wars 2:

The bottom line here is that gamers like to start on level playing fields. Gamers love to save money. Gamers are always in a frantic rush to play superior games. These three factors are the main reasons why Guild Wars 2 will win over market share from WoW.
Let’s examine what would happen to ATVI’s business if WoW subscription and software sales were to decline by an estimated  25%. We believe this to be a conservative estimate because games like EA’s new Star Wars MMORPG have had a significantly greater turnover than 25% in the first 6 months since the game was released.

This is a clear example of how bad games fail and how subscribers tend to voice their preference rather quickly and mercilessly. We estimate that ATVI’s gross profit of the subscription business could drop to $779 million from the current $1.12 billion and software gross profit could drop to $75 million from $100 million if a mere 25% of current subscribers stop playing WoW. With the combination of these numbers, we project ATVI could experience a drop of up to $366 million in gross profit in the 6 months following the release of Guild Wars 2 at the end of August 2012.

The consensus target from analysts for ATVI is $15.59 for the current fiscal year. The stock is currently trading at 11.85x forward P/E. Given our projection that WoW will lose 25% of its subscribers to Guild Wars 2 in the current fiscal year we are looking at a potential $9 stock. Of course ATVI also creates beloved games such as Call of Duty, Starcraft, and Diablo, making the stock hard to short in the minds of many investors. We simply wish to remind readers that these games are merely one-time cash injections that tend to make ATVI go up on quarterly earnings, but investors can generally expect to see the company drop back to its lows within the same week. The fact is that ATVI’s revenue and margins are completely being held up by WoW: If those go down, so does ATVI.

Now once the stock goes to $9, what do you think Vivendi is going to do? A company that has seen its shares fall by over 45% in the last 3 years is not going to just sit back and watch billions of dollars erode from their balance sheet. If Vivendi cannot find a buyer on the private market, and we are confident that they will be unable to do so, then management will begin selling their position in ATVI on the open market in order to avoid heavy losses. This is where the real money will be made. If we were to see Vivendi selling even 10% of their position on the open market the damage to the stock would be devastating.

Even though Vivendi is currently exploring several options to raise its stock price, we ask you to make a simple judgment call here. If you were Vivendi, would you not sell a company that is losing massive percentages of market share to its competitors? If you were on the management team of Vivendi would you honestly not cut your losses by selling ATVI when the chief game of the company suddenly begins failing to competition? Management departments at both firms have been warned and short sellers should stand ready to act after ATVI reports on August 2nd during afterhours. Let the bulls bid up the stock based on the record breaking Diablo 3 sales, it only helps to mask the coming fundamental problem of the business.


#3736914 My girlfriend of 8 years has been cheating on me for the past 8 months

Posted Moonies on 31 July 2012 - 02:18 PM

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#3736535 My girlfriend of 8 years has been cheating on me for the past 8 months

Posted Duckers on 30 July 2012 - 12:43 PM

In similar news my girlfriend broke up with me a few weeks ago because I was cheating on her.


#3736504 My girlfriend of 8 years has been cheating on me for the past 8 months

Posted Arterian on 30 July 2012 - 11:06 AM

View PostPyrrho, on 30 July 2012 - 03:12 AM, said:

arterian, u need to let something out, man? pull up a chair, take a mug of hot cocoa, and tell ol' ethug about your troubles

dated a girl, got cheated on, met new girl, currently quite happy


#3736468 My girlfriend of 8 years has been cheating on me for the past 8 months

Posted Snuffy on 30 July 2012 - 05:50 AM

Dude that fucking sucks I'm sorry to hear that

What a fucking slut

I can't believe she even tried to threaten to sue you etc. wtf

Holy fuck she deserves to get her fucking head stomped into the gutter


#3736415 My girlfriend of 8 years has been cheating on me for the past 8 months

Posted Arterian on 30 July 2012 - 03:03 AM

getting cheated on sucks fuck

anyways, speaking from experience you will get over it, although it'll probably take a fuckload of a long time and some days you'll just be bitter as hell over it out of nowhere. You'll be better for the whole experience and when you meet someone better down the road this will make you appreciate them even more. If you haven't already, you'll soon realize your relationship was probably shit and you were often treated like shit not even taking the cheating into consideration, but you'll still be bitter and pissed off for a while.

god I fucking hate cheaters.




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