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Posted Batenx on 15 May 2013 - 02:06 AM
1.1 About me
My name is Douglas, also known as Båten, and I’m a 21 year old boy from Sweden. I’m currently a full time law student, but on my free time (read: when my head isn’t buried in books) I work out and play this addictive game called World of Warcraft. I just finished one of my last seminars this semester, so I figured I’d celebrate by writing a Mistweaver Monk guide. I hope you find it useful!
1.2 My Experience
First of all, I’ve been playing this game on and off since vanilla. As arena was introduced in TBC I was still playing my Mage, which was my first character. Ever since season 1 I always ended top 3 on the ladder, but somewhere at the end of season 3 I started playing a Resto Druid and managed to obtain the prestigious Gladiator title in full greens/blues. In the beginning of MoP I made a monk and the rest is history…
As of now I’ve achieved multiple rank 1 titles as a bunch of different classes, including Monk, but I’m focusing on my Resto Druid and Mistweaver Monk.
2 A Mistweaver’s Abilities
If you’re reading this guide you probably have a fair perception of how Mistweaver Monks work and what their abilities do, but for the sake of it I’ll explain what they do, how they work and how to use them. I’m intentionally leaving out a couple of abilities that will be covered under section 3.
2.1 Healing Abilities
Soothing Mist: Their main way of getting Chi. You want to use it as often as you’re allowed to. It’s channeled and has a 30% chance to generate 1 Chi with each tick. Low mana cost.
Surging Mist: A fast, strong, but expensive heal. Similar to Healing Surge for Shamans. It generates 1 Chi and becomes instant when channeling Soothing Mist. Try avoid using it unless you have Thunder Focus Tea activated.
Enveloping Mist: The only heal you are supposed spend your Chi on. It’s a strong short HoT ability that costs 3 Chi. Similar to Surging Mist, this one becomes instant when channeling Soothing Mist. Basically, as soon as you have 3 Chi and someone is taking damage, this is what you want to use.
Renewing Mist: Hybrid between Rejuvenation and Prayer of Mending; on the first tick it spreads to a second player, and continues to spread until it has healed a total of 3 players. Despite its high mana cost it should still be used almost on cooldown as it generates 1 Chi. Only 8 sec. cooldown. Also works as a trash debuff for your Enveloping Mist.
Chi Wave: Talent in the second tier that bounces between friendly targets and enemy targets. The healing portion of Chi Wave is a smart heal, in the sense that it prefers healing low health players. It has a 15 second cooldown and should be used on cooldown, though it can be used preemtively as described above under section 2.
Uplift: Not very strong AoE heal that costs 2 Chi. Should never be used in a PvP enviroment, not even in RBGs. You should not spend your Chi on Uplift, as Enveloping Mist is a way more effective heal at the cost of 3 Chi.
Expel Harm: 15 sec. cooldown. Probably one of the most underrated abilities for Mistweaver Monks. It heals you for a rather significant amount and has a short cooldown. It also generates 1 Chi, which is huge! Even if you are full hp, you should use this talent on cooldown for the Chi, as it has a low mana cost. In order for you to play as mana efficient as possible, this ability is important. It also deals a low amount of damage to a nearby enemy, but have no fear – it no longer breaks CC!
Healing Sphere: Does a ridiculous amount of healing, but should not be abused as it does not generate any Chi. If you prioritize this one over Enveloping Mist, you’ll end up going OOM. That being said, you should always look for a way to use Enveloping Mist, which sometimes can be tricky considering the amount of interrupts in this game. These spheres are especially useful when your party member is stunned as they could be hard to place under a moving target. They also work when the target are in Smoke Bomb, which makes Smoke Bomb next to useless against Mistweaver Monks unless they're in CC.
2.2 DPS Abilities
Jab: A basic attack and generates 1 Chi. Also grants you the buff Muscle Memory, causing your next Blackout Kick and Tiger’s Palm to deal 150% increased damage and restore 4% mana. Basically when dealing damage you want to do every other Jab (Jab -> Tiger’s Palm/Blackout Kick -> Jab -> Tiger’s Palm/Blackout Kick and so on).
Tiger’s Palm: Stacks up the Vital Mists buff, which reduces the cast time and cost of your next Surging mist by 100%. Stacks up to 5 times. Also grants you Tiger Power, which causes your attacks to ignore 30% armor. Tiger’s Palm is the ability that should be used when dealing melee damage as it only costs 1 Chi, whereas Blackout Kick costs 2 Chi. You want to save Chi for Enveloping.
Spinning Crane Kick: Does AoE damage to enemies and AoE healing to friends within 8 yards. Generates 1 Chi if it heals 3 targets. Should only be used to try get enemies out of stealth.
Crackling Jade Lightning: The DPS version of Soothing Mist. A good way of getting Chi if nobody is taking any damage. Does a fair bit of damage and should be used more often than Jab -> Tiger’s Palm in a 3v3 situation as it has a long range and won’t cause you to overextend. Eats Grounding Totem and Spell Reflect.
Transcendance: Similar to the warlock’s Demonic Portal, except you have to replace your portal after you use it. The transfer has a 30 sec. cooldown whereas the portal itself has a 45 sec. cooldown. Should be used to avoid CC. Remember to use 3 Healing Spheres on your portal in the beginning of the game!
On Nagrand Arena you should place the portal behind a pillar. On Blade’s Edge you should always have it behind one of the pillars by the ramp. On Ruins of Lordaeron you should place it in your starting area. However, if your team wants to take middle and you think it’s likely that you will manage to push the enemy team back to their starting area, you should place it by the tomb. On Tol’Viron Arena you should place it by one of the pillars closest to your starting area. You might end up switching it to the other pillar, but you never want to have your portal in the middle of the enemy team. Mistweaver Monks are all about positioning as they have very few ways of avoiding CC.
Nimble Brew: 2 min. cooldown. Clears you of all root, stun, fear and horror effects and reduces the duration of future such effects for 6 sec. Should be used if it can be used instead of your normal PvP trinket.
Thunder Focus Tea: Mistweaver Monks aura mastery on a 45 sec. cooldown. Doubles the healing of your next Surging Mist. Do not feel bad for using a Surging Mist with Thunder Focus Tea activated; it’s the only time you’re supposed to use Surging Mist unless you’re facing a team where mana absolutely won’t be a problem.
Life Cocoon: 2 min. cooldown. Your big ”oh fuck”-button. Encases the target in a cocoon, absorbing around 250k damage in arena and increases all periodic healing taken by 50%. Can be used preemtively; if you know you’re going to eat a CC or blanket silence from the enemy casters with Thunder Focus Tea on cooldown, this can be used to ruin the enemy team’s entire swap.
Revival: Huge instant AoE heal and dispel on a 3 min. cooldown. Used almost like Nature’s Swiftness and can be used on targets out of your line of sight. Also works when a target is in Smoke Bomb. As of 5.4, Revival got nerfed by 30% and will only roughly 110k in arena, which opens up the possibility to use it as a dispel for your partners when they're going offensive.
Fortifying Brew: Increases your health by 20% and reduces damage taken by 20%. Has a 3 min. cooldown, so be careful with what you use it on. I tend to use it when big cooldowns are being used by the enemy team. Try use it before you take damage; the last stand effect is just a bonus unless you’re being locked out.
Zen Meditation: 3 min. cooldown and 8 sec. channel. Interrupted by melee hits. Reduces all damage taken by 90% and redirects to you up to 5 harmful spells cast against your party members. As Mistweaver Monk it’s difficult to use this ability as Counterspell and Spell Lock can be redirected to you when you’re standing behind a pillar and end up with you being locked out on cast. If you’re playing with a Warlock, you can use Zen Meditation as the gates open to ensure a mage can’t stop your Warlock from getting a Demonic Gateway.
2.4 Other Abilities
Summon Jade Serpent Statue: 30 sec. cooldown. The statue will heal the lowest health nearby party member within 20 yards for 25% of the your damage done and when you cast Soothing Mist, the statue will also cast Soothing Mist on an injured ally within 40 yards. Since patch 5.2 it no longer costs any mana, so there is no excuse not to use it! Remember to switch locations if needed. Usually you only have to change position of the statue on Tol'Viron Arena.
Disable: A spamable 50% slow. Similar to the Warriors' Hamstring. If you re-apply it when the enemy is slowed already, it will root them.
Paralysis: A physical, 20 yard range, 4 sec. incapacitate. Double duration if used from behind. Used for CC or to avoid getting CC’d.
Spear Hand Strike: A melee range interrupt on a 15 sec. cooldown. Also silences for 2 sec. if the enemy is facing you when cast. Keep in mind that this the blanket silence is slightly delayed, so use this ability 0.5 seconds before you want the blanket to hit.
Grapple Weapon: The Monk's disarm. Use when enemy melee uses some sort of offensive cooldown, i.e. Summon Gargoyle for Death Knights, Recklessness for Warriors and Berserk for Feral Druids (Feral Druids do 50% less damage while under a disarm effect). It can also be used to stop Hunters from trapping you. Hunters can not use Trap Launcher when they are disarmed, so if you time it well you can get the disarm when they use Scatter Shot and therefore they will be unable to trap you from range.
Tip: Use Disable twice on the target first to immobilize him; it’s much easier to hit an ability with a positional ’requirement’ if the target is standing still.
First tier: Tiger’s Lust is the obvious choice. It clears the target of all immobilizing and movement impairing effects and increases their movement speed. In other words, this basically works as an inferior version of dispel as you don’t have to ’waste’ dispel on roots. It can also be used as a sprint, which is very useful when your Priest or Warlock wants to go for a fear on the enemy team’s healer. Only downside with the talent is the short range (20 yards), but if used correctly it can win you games.
Second tier: Chi Wave is the best, even after the nerf in 5.2. It still does a great amount of healing and can/should be used preemtively, i.e. when you know you’re going to get CC’d and you can’t avoid it. Observe that it breaks traps, so use it carefully!
Third tier: As of 5.4, Chi Brew has been buffed. It now has a 45 sec. cooldown and instantly restores 2 Chi aswell as generates 2 stacks of Mana Tea. Has 2 charges. This means you can get two quick Enveloping Mists out whilst regenerating Mana Tea. This is the talent of choice.
Fourth tier: You swap between all talents in this tier depending on what you play and what you're facing. Ring of Peace silences and disarms all enemies within the ring for 4 seconds. Ring of Peace was generally the talent of choice in 5.2, but since 5.3 Ring of Peace shares diminishing returns with other silence and disarm effects, so keep that in mind if you choose this talent. Now in 5.4 it got slightly buffed and it a good choice.
Leg Sweep stuns all enemies within a 5-yard radius of you for 5 seconds. In some cases, this talent can be amazing. This is especially true in 2s when facing DPS/healer comps and you need as much CC as possible to score a kill. Depending on what comp you play and what comp you face, you may find use of this talent in 3s aswell. For the sake of it, I’ll explain how Leg Sweep can be used in the following scenario. You’re playing a comp with very few stuns so you don’t have to worry about putting your partners’ stuns on diminishing returns and you’re facing a Shadow Priest/Mage/healer comp, which is fairly common these days. The enemy Priest will most likely push in on you to get fears as often as you let him. On some maps, such as Ruins of Lordaeron and Blade’s Edge Arena it is difficult to avoid every fear by running away from him as it might completely ruin your positioning. A Paralysis followed up with a Leg Sweep could be just what you need to avoid the fear and still maintain a decent positioning. It is also an excellent follow-up stun on the kill target.
And last, but certainly not least, there's Charging Ox Wave. This talent stuns all enemies stuns all enemies in front of you within 30 yards for 3 seconds and has a 30 second cooldown. The use of this talent is endless; you can stop Priests when they're going for fear without worrying about putting yourself in an awkward position and you can stop Scatter into trap combos as Charging Ox Wave has a travel time. If you use it well, you should be able to stun 2-3 enemies every time.
This tier is very interesting because you seem to change it all the time depending on what comp you're playing and what you're facing.
Fifth tier: This is the tier you change depending on what comp you’re up against. Diffuse Magic reduces all spell damage taken by 90% and clears all magical effects on you, reversing them back to their caster. Observe that this talent does not reduce damage taken from UA dispel, so using this one and following it up with a Revival is not the best idea. Been there, done that…
With Diffuse Magic you can reflect a full row of dots back on the enemy caster (Warlock or Shadow priest) and make a hard swap to him. It can be risky, so be careful!
Dampen Harm reduces the 3 next attacks that deal damage equal to 20% or more of your total health in half. Now in 5.2 it can be used while stunned, which makes it a solid choice. This talent can be taken when facing a team where atleast one enemy can deal more than 80k damage in one hit. Against Death Knights this talent is worthless. But against warriors, rogues, hunters and Fire mages this talent is useful. Dampen Harm is off GCD, unlike Diffuse Magic, so in some cases Dampen Harm could be more valuable.
Healing Elixirs is a passive talent that causes your next Brew of Tea (in this case Mana Tea, Thunder Focus Tea and even Fortifying Brew) to heal you for 15% of your total health. It’s particularly useful against melee cleaves where no enemy can deal more than 80k damage in a single hit. As of 5.4, Healing Elixirs will no longer activate if the Monk is already at full health, and activate automatically when the Monk has less than 35% if their maximum health. This is a huge buff to the talent, and you should really look into using it whenever you feel Diffuse Magic or Dampen Harm won't be a good choice.
Sixth tier: The general choice is Chi Torpedo as it actually does quite a bit of healing on you and the ones you hit when you roll. It no longer breaks your own CC, thank God for that! It also does a tiny amount of damage to enemies and even totems. Though, if you’re up against a Rogue and you don’t want to sit a full Blind followed up by a Sap, you can use Invoke Xuen, the White Tiger preemtively. Yes, it does keep you in combat. I prefer Chi Torpedo. As of 5.4, it now has a pet bar so your pet tiger won't go rambo and break CC anymore. You can also move your tiger manually so can be used to pick up traps against Hunters.
Your glyphs depend on which comp you’re playing and which comp you’re facing, however there are a few specific glyphs we’re going to look into.
4.1 Major Glyphs
Glyph of Life Cocoon: The first obvious choice. Being able to use Life Cocoon while stunned is not only a lifesafer for you, but also for your partners. If you get stunned and you know you’re going to eat an unavoidable follow-up CC, you can use Life Cocoon at the end of the stun and potentially save your partner(s). With this glyph you’re also able to use Life Cocoon when you’re trapped and feared by a Warrior provided he targetted you when he feared.
Glyph of Paralysis: This is my second choice. it could be gamebreaking if you manage to land a full Paralysis without it breaking from dots. However, if I play a comp where we rely on having tons of split pressure but still I need to use Paralysis on cooldown to avoid CC, I might swap it out for Glyph of Renewing Mist. Generally I tend to just keep the glyph and use Paralysis more carefully.
Glyph of Enduring Healing Sphere: My third choice. Basically increases the duration of your spheres, including the mastery ones, by 3 minutes. This is probably the way to go as you'll have spheres all over the place for you and your partners to pick up.
Glyph of Nimble Brew: This glyph could be useful against a team that you know will tunnel you. If you're not certain they will go for you, it will most likely be a waste.
Glyph of Detox: Could be used in rare situations. For example if you're playing a comp that relies heavily on DoTs and you're facing another DoT team, i.e. when you don't want to remove your partners DoTs because you'll lose a ton of pressure and if you want get that extra heal as you dispel Unstable Afflicted or Vampiric Touch.
Glyph of Mana Tea: I It removes the channeling behavior and causes Mana Tea to simply use two stacks (8% mana) instantly, with a 10 second cooldown. Just make sure you use it on cooldown; you don’t want to sit on 20 stacks at the end of a game. As of 5.4, Mana Tea without glyph got buffed and the glyph is no longer mandatory in PvP.
4.2 Minor Glyphs
Minor Glyphs are only for cosmetic purposes, so these glyphs are unimportant. Though, if you must know, I use Glyph of Fighting Pose and Glyph of Crackling Tiger Lightning to look like a badass. I gotta look good when I beat my enemies, right?
Gemming as Mistweaver isn't difficult. There are basically only two ways you can gem your character. You can go either go for Intellect or Spirit. I have tried both of them out and I found that Spirit was most beneficial for me. The reason is simple.
Mistweaver Monks have an insane healing output so gemming Intellect isn’t really necessary; it could be sweet with some extra healing, but if you use your Chi correctly and most importantly if you land your Healing Spheres, your partners won't die. That extra Intellect won’t make a difference when it comes to keeping your partners alive – atleast not in a 3v3 situation. But as most of you know, Healing Spheres does not generate any Chi and eventually you'll start feeling a bit dry on mana. That is why I'm going for Spirit gems. Healing Spheres are simply too powerful.
Please bear in mind that this is merely from my own experience, but I'm sure any top rated Mistweaver Monk would agree.
Meta: The meta gem of choice is either Ember Primal Diamond or Tyrannical Primal Diamond. It all comes down what you're playing and what you're facing.
Blue: 320 Spirit
Yellow: 160 Spirit and 160 Critical Strike
Red: 80 Intellect and 160 Spirit
Reforging as Mistweaver is fairly straightforward; you go for soft Haste cap (2348 Haste in Stance of the Fierce Tiger) for an extra tick of Enveloping Mist. After that you max out your Crit and then Mastery. I suggest you download the AddOn ’ReforgeLite’ to ensure your reforge is as indefectible as possible.
Enchanting your gear has always been very simple, so I won't go into deeper detail than just listing the enchants.
Shoulders: 200 Intellect and 100 Critical Strike
Cloak: 180 Intellect
Chest: 80 All Stats
Bracers: 180 Intellect
Gloves: 170 Haste
Legs: 285 Intellect and 165 Spirit
Boots: 140 Mastery & Minor Speed Increase
Weapon: Jade Spirit
Off-hand: 165 Intellect
It doesn’t matter which professions you decide to go for as long as it’s ’crafting’ professions. I always go for BS and JC, because those are the only professions that offer extra PvP Resilience. This saves me time, as I don't have to change professions whenever PvP Resilience is the best stat.
To make this guide as Monk specific as possible, I’ll only mention macros designed for my Monk.
Paralysis: You’re unable to use Paralysis if you’re channeling Soothing Mist unless you interrupt the channel first. To make it all easier for me I added /stopcasting to my Paralysis macro.
/cast [modifier: shift, target=focus] Paralysis; Paralysis
Paralysis Arena 1/2/3: These macros are mandatory for Monks as you can stop the enemy team’s entire opener by stopping the stealther’s first cast. You can also interrupt Night Elves when they try to get a free cast after using Shadowmeld. I also added /stopcasting to these macros so I don’t have to manually interrupt the channel.
/cast [target=arena1] Paralysis
/cast [target=arena1] Paralysis
/cast [target=arena1] Paralysis
Spear Hand Strike: Similar to Paralysis, Spear Hand Strike is unusable when channeling Soothing Mist, so adding /stopcasting to this ability is helpful. I also added /cancelaura Spinning Crane Kick so I can kick people even if I'm spinning around like a ballerina.
/cancelaura Spinning Crane Kick
/cast [modifier: shift, target=focus] Spear Hand Strike; Spear Hand Strike
Grapple Weapon (Disarm): Only reason I made this a macro is because Grapple Weapon can’t be used if you’re channeling Soothing Mist unless you cancel the channel first, so I smply added /stopcasting to make my disarm more effective. When you have the buff Hand of Protection you are unable to disarm enemies, so /cancelaura Hand of Protection is amazing too. As it has a short travel time it’s important to use it as soon as possible.
/cancelaura Hand of Protection
/cast Grapple Weapon
I also have a focus macro for this one as I swap my focus in arena very often.
/cancelaura Hand of Protection
/cast [target=focus] Grapple Weapon
Tiger’s Lust: If you are under the effect of Stampeding Roar or Body and Soul, you can’t use Tiger’s Lust on yourself to break a root. You must first cancel the first movement speed increase effect. No need to add /stopcasting as Tiger's Lust already cancels the channeling of Soothing Mist.
/cancelaura Stampeding Roar
/cancelaura Body and Soul
/cast Tiger’s Lust
7 How To Heal
Healing as Mistweaver is rather simple once you understand how all the abilities work. Enveloping Mist always has highest priority as it could be difficult to get it off in consideration of all the interrupts in this game. Soothing Mist should be used whenever you need Chi and should be used prioritized over the other Chi generating abilities. You still want to use Chi Wave, Expel Harm, Rewewing Mist and Mana Tea on cooldown. Avoid using Surging Mist when Thunder Focus Tea is not activated. Healing Spheres should be used when enemy team has many ways of interrupt you and you can’t risk getting caught on cast. Healing Spheres are also very effective when targets are stunned, as mentioned above under section 6.1. Try save your Revival for when the enemy team uses major cooldowns. It’s a really good way of catching up on healing if you’re having a hard time keeping up with the healing. It should also be used when enemy team has CC for you and you can’t risk going in range to heal your partner because of them having no cooldowns or you having no PvP trinket available.
8 Best Comps For Mistweaver Monks
This is currently not 100% updated for Patch 5.4 as we have to wait and see which comps will be best for Mistweaver Monk, but I imagine Death Knight/Affliction Warlock/Mistweaver Monk will be strong.
As sad as it is, there is always a healer better suited for the comp than a Mistweaver Monk, but there are a few comps that work well with a Mistweaver too. I’m not going into how the following comps should be played as it all comes down to what comp you’re facing and which map you get. The general playstyle from your point of view is very defensive, similar to Holy Paladins in previous expansions. Don’t overextend, play it safe, make sure you manage your cooldowns. You want to make it as hard as possible for the enemy team to CC you – try keep that in mind! Don't rely on your partners to get you out of CC, even if they can.
Elemental Shaman/Destruction Warlock/Mistweaver Monk: This was the best comp for Mistweaver Monks in 5.3. Elemental Shamans does not only bring ridiculous RNG damage, but also Tremor Totem and Grounding Totem. Destruction Warlock is actually better than Affliction Warlock for this particular comp, because aforementioned has slightly better survival with Ember Tap. You also have Demonic Gateway, which is incredibly good if you use it well with your partners.
Shadow Priest/Mage/Mistweaver Monk: A very strong comp for a Mistweaver Monk as the synergy from a Shadow Priest/Mage is amazing. Shadow Priests bring so much utility to the team and that is very good for Mistweaver Monks as they’re vulnerable to CC. This comp gets somewhat countered by other Shadow Priest/Mage/healers though, especially the ones with Resto Shaman or Resto Druid.
Elemental Shaman/Mage/Mistweaver Monk: Elemental Shaman/Mage synergy is very good aswell; they can kill anything in a Deep Freeze with a blanket Counterspell on the healer.
Death Knight/Hunter/Mistweaver Monk: A very strong comp. Death Knights and Hunters together have extremely high damage output. Even though they don’t bring much utility, the comp can still be played to top ratings.
I have played a countless amount of comps to 2.6k+, but the comps mentioned above are in my opinion the best ones you can play as Mistweaver Monk. Elemental Shaman/Destro Warlock/Mistweaver Monk is the most solid one.
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Also, I have a stream that you can check out if you want to see some top rated play from a Resto Druids and Mistweaver Monks PoV.
Well, that wraps up the guide! If there’s anything specifc you’d like me to add or discuss, or perhaps something I got completely wrong, don’t hesitate to let me know! I will probably update this guide a little bit the following days whenever I have time.
Sidenote: English isn't my native language, so try not to be too harsh on my grammar.
Posted Jontex on 27 April 2013 - 08:51 AM
Posted Zaephyr on 24 April 2013 - 11:34 PM
In my opinion game is in a good place atm and is only getting better, obviously it's not perfect but a LOT more changes are being made in a shorter timespan than ever before - if there was ever a time to comeback i'd say this is it.
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Posted noliferqtxd on 15 April 2013 - 10:18 AM
Nóliferqt. Frost Mage Guide for 5.2 MoP
Hello, I have been getting huge amount of ingame whispers to make a guide, I do not see myself as a top player I just want to give something back to the community. This might only be helpful for a few people but I remember when I just started doing pvp and being hungry for info/guides etc. and how thankful I was for decent-top players writing informative guides so here goes.
For the first tier I play PoM against every comp, even after the nerf in 5.2 to PoM + RoF it is still really useful, and in my opinion better than Blazing Speed against most setups. I still play it with RoF because of Alter time, for the PoM + Alter time - Polymorph on the healer - Alter time back - and RoF dps, Stampede or w/e. Even against Thugcleaves, PHD's, and other melee cleaves that train me I play PoM because you can get some momentum by yourself by getting the instant cc on the healer and RoF'ing yourself.
Second tier: Flameglow. I use it against almost every team, it makes you almost unkillable against UA Warlocks and Boomkins and it's way better than Ice Barrier just because alot of classes can dispell it and people do it so it most of the time just gets wasted. If you play with a Resto Druid or a Disc Priest Ice Barrier is definetly an option because of all the HoTs/Grace stacks it makes it rather hard to dispel it.
Third tier: Ring of Frost, still an amazing ability together with PoM even after the nerf. Frostjaw is pretty good too, though I have not played with it I have faced Mages who did and done well with it.
Fourth tier: Cold Snap is an obvious choice here, heals you for 30 % of your hp can be used in any cc, stun and even inside your current block. And resets CD of CoC, Frost Nova, and Ice Block.
Fifth tier: Most important and most controversial tier, Nether Tempest or Frost bomb? I take Nether tempest for most comps I believe it's a must-have in comps like MLS and Boomkin Mage Disc where you try to do as much dmg as possible, I play it every game as RMP/Shatreeplay except against PHD's/ KFC's/other heavy melee comps that train my Priest I play Frost Bomb just because if you're left alone with Frost Bomb you can easily 100-0 a target with a blanket CS on the healer. The general way you wanna do it with Frost Bomb is to Polymorph a target to force a dispel and then Frost Bomb your kill target and go for burst without them having a dispel and allowing you to time a Frostbolt + Ice Lance shatter as the Frost Bomb explodes.
Sixth tier: Incanter's Ward is the obvious choice for PvP. I see alot of Mages completely waste this talent and just pop it randomly as if it was just an absorb. But I don't think people fully utilize this ability, it's a 30 % dmg buff that you can get very easily every time you want to swap. It's a MASSIVE damage buff and the passive of this ability is ridiculous aswell 6 % passive dmg increase + 65 % mana regen increase when it's not on cooldown + when it gets broken you get 18 % of your mana. I usually pop this before I do a hard as RMP or any comp really. I use it if there is alot of people bunched up and I can Frozen Orb them all. Remember, MoP playstyle is all about doing the most dmg, the more dmg you can pump out as a Mage the more succesful you are going to be, I can guarentee you that. So utilizing your spells the best you can, will increase your dmg and you will do way better in arena.
I play with Glyph of Ice Lance. Glyph of Polymorph. Glyph of Armors.
I play without Glyph of Ice Lance as RMP I usually play Glyph of Evocation instead. I would like to point out Glyph of Remove Curse, I don't see alot of Mage's using this glyph. It's absolutely insane against Warlock teams, it gives you a 10 % dmg buff for 10 seconds every time you dispell a curse, so basicly against a Warlock team you could in theory have 100 % uptime on this buff since your Decurse is only on a 8 sec CD and the Buff lasts for 10 secs.
Counterspell Arena 1-2-3
I think CS 1-3 is a must-have as a Mage, you can CS Mage openers with it out of Invis. You can CS Night Elf healers out of Shadowmeld when they are in high pressure situations and just need to get a Shadowmeld heal off and this can easily win you games. + Counterspelling crucial CC's or high burst casts without having to waste time swapping your Focus or Target.
/cast [target=arena1] Counterspell
/cast [target=arena2] Counterspell
/cast [target=arena3] Counterspell
Just like you expect your healer to dispel your CC quickly when you are going for kills, the same goes for your healer/partner when they are in a high pressure situation or going for kills and they get hexed it can easily lose you games if you are too slow with decursing your partners. And spam decursing yourself from Curse of Agony's and Doom's when you've got spare globals helps your healer out a ton!
/cast [target=nóliferqt] remove curse
Target and Focus Arena 1-2-3
Target and Focus Arena 1-2-3 is a must-have especially as a Mage as you'll be having to swap focus/target alot when you're going for double CC and depending on if you're going offensive or defensive you'll be swapping focus between healer and the dps for spam Polymorphs or Counterspelling the healer.
Frostbolt macro with pet attack
Focus Polymorph macro with petpassive
/cast [target=focus] Polymorph
Stopcasting Focus CS Macro.
/cast [target=focus] Counterspell
Focus Deep Freeze
/cast [target=focus] Deep Freeze
Pet Nova macro
/cast [pet] !Freeze
/cast [nopet] summon Water Elemental
Focus spellsteal and /cancelaura Pyroblast
/cast [target=focus] Spellsteal
Spellsteal with cancelaura Pyroblast
Comps that you can play as a Mage and how I think they should be played
UA Lock, Frost Mage, Resto Shaman, as MLS I like to go full intellect and just spam damage, with instant CC on healers and coordinating Deep Freeze> into Fears with my Warlock. I rarely ever go for Polymorphs I just spam dmg, deep into fear and a Counterspell out of it.
Boomkin Mage Disc, this comp is a healer killer generally you want to PvE and just wait for Solar Beam and Frozen Orb and cyclone one dps fear the other and deep beam the healer with a RoF around and Frozen orb and just pump out as much dmg as you can. This comp struggles against Resto Druid teams though, but I found that you can easily kill resto druids with this comp if you make a good deep beam swap with no hots they can easily die through Barkskin.
Shatreeplay/Spriest Mage Resto Druid/Resto Shaman, this comp is the best Mage comp at the moment. You can pretty much win every team as Shatreeplay you generally want to wait for your priest to have 3 orbs and a silence and you Deep Freeze Frozen Orb a target with 3x orbs and silence the healer with a Cyclone or a fear on the third. Against most Resto Shaman teams you want to make swaps to the Shaman the same way, even if they have got trinket and cooldowns they can die anyway. Deeping with 3 orbs and a Frozen Orb they'll have to trinket, you can silence of that into a dr'ed counterspell and kill them in it.
Elemental Shaman Mage Disc, one of my favourite comps this expansion the amount of burst this comp has got is absolutely insane. You can pretty much 100-0 a target in a single Deep Freeze with a blanket or NS hex on the healer, if you clean the target beforehand. If you can sync up damage with your Elemental Shaman this comp can win anything. Even though your Elemental Shaman doesnt have that many defensives and is very trainable it leaves you (the Mage) alone to do whatever you want, you can setup double CC by yourself and allowing your Elemental Shaman to cast a bit can easily get you kills in Deep Freezes.
For gemming and gearing, here is a link to my armory:
I would have explained how I use every ability but I simply don't have the time at the moment. If I do make another guide later on, I will include that for sure. But if you would like to know, you should head over to Xandyn's Cataclysm guide it's outdated for most spells but I think it's an amazing guide even though it's from Cataclysm, you can learn a bunch about how to use your spells the correct way. As I said I don't see myself as a top Mage and I'm just doing this to give something back and help some people that aren't sure which way to go as far as talents, glyphs and general playstyles as some comps.
Posted Conviqx on 13 April 2013 - 12:35 AM
Posted Braindance on 26 March 2013 - 01:08 AM
a)There is no sense of reward or punishment in those forums and in the game now. You can be a saint and get nothing or be a complete jackass and get the respect of this mob called junkies, just because you got "swag" (/puke)
b)The game atm can be played almost solo mode. You don't need a guild to do raids - you got lfr. You can get gear from dailies. In BC pve and pvp gear were interlinked - you could pvp in pve gear and vice versa and you had to work with a closely knit team to achieve your goals
c) The moderation is, as the word says, moderate. Moderators are too easy on everyone. Bans are rare. Infractions have too high of a cap. Any sociopath that had problems with his real life, can come here and open fire on everyone without any kind of punishment, UNLESS, someone, somewhere decides to push the report button which is scarcely used
d)"Good" players have no time now. They are "too busy" or afking. I remember in s2, the one that helped me transition from rogue to warrior was a guy named Dustman that was top 5 2s/3s most of s2 and 3. This guy was qing 24/7, but when I asked him for help (multiple times), he literally stopped qing to give me macros and playstyle advice. I am still continuing his legacy of helping others. People turn to me for help in messages and in game whispers while my title collection is the lowest of the low. Why? Because I care to help them
e)Bitches play this game. What do I mean? Instead of working around the imbalances and/or making helpful suggestions on how to improve the game, they just bitch. 24/7 they bitch about everything. "Why is my class weak?"."Why can't I have tattoos on my character?". "Why can't I can't see my character's genitalia to masturbate?".
f)You get the most +rep for posting moronic bullshit and childish insults. Good posts are rarely rewarded.
This AJ, is sending all the new players to either skill-capped or streamers. How many new players are willing to pay money to learn how to pvp? Quite a few. How many new players would pvp if they didn't have to pay to go through the rough learning curve? A lot.
tl;dr If moderation in this place doesn't become way more strict, if no incentives are given to junkies for making guides (even that pet giveaway that Curse does), this situation will keep recycling itself perpetually.
Posted Thaya on 26 March 2013 - 12:38 AM
But I want things to happen. So I thought, what can we - the players - do? What can the AJ community do?
First of all, content.
I think everybody agrees that WoW PvP is pretty hard to get into just due to the knowledge required to be successful. Generally speaking, you need to know a lot of things before you can even really enjoy the game and understand what's going on. 40-60 abilities per spec, subtle but important cooldowns, various lethal combinations of cooldowns/spells and their approximate potential, all the important defenses, various interface scripts/addons that could help you, et cetera. This game is only fun when you can actually anticipate things, know when to play safe or when to push (based on their cooldowns), know which things to interfere/stop to prevent your team from using major cooldowns, know when you can be stopped or not... and all this meta game is possible only if you know the game well enough.
It's pointless and nearly impossible to cover all of that in text or video guides. However, what can be covered are all the basic things that new people will ask, like: which talents and glyphs to use, how to gear, gameplay basics (which spells to use, which combos to try and pull off), what is my role in rbg/arena/xyz, which team mates/classes should I look for, which counters to my combos to look out for, where do I place my portal/gate (example of a spec-specific question), which things should I prioritize while I'm new, are there any addons or macros that will make my life easier... You can cover pretty much all the theory.
These basic guides are so valuable, it surprises me that people completely abandoned writing them. When I log on a new class and don't know even the very basics, like how to deal damage most efficiently, I really wish those guides still existed. I just want to get into the head of an experienced [with the spec] player to get answers for all my basic questions; even if I'm guessing what the right answer is, being certain about it would help the learning process a lot. You don't need to make it an in-depth guide where you write 10000 words for every viable comp, you just need to point in the right direction, explain your mindset a little bit, share set-in-stone knowledge (gear/talent/glyph setup), and give some general tips and thoughts. No more, no less.
Back when those guides existed, I would browse other classes guides just to get a better idea of how other classes work. It actually helped me a bit, because I could anticipate certain things better and/or stop them in advance. Sure, I would probably learn it myself even if the guide didn't exist, but that would probably take more time and more losses.
I'm not even mentioning the old matchup guides on AJ back in TBC. We literally had a whole section dedicated to those, i.e. guides about certain comps and how they're played vs other popular comps. It was brilliant.
What do we have today? I'll take the time to open every single sticky on every class forum:
- Gear/Stat Discussion (Season 9) - out of date (since Season 9!)
- DK Basics 4.0 - out of date (since Season 9!). Pretty good example of a guide, it just lacks consistency: it's more a collection of tips, but mostly good, general tips
- Seed's DK FAQ Thread - out of date. Not sure why was this stickied in the first place
- The Dark Simulacrum List - out of date
- Pericth 5 - In-depth Feral Tutorial - out of date
- Resto Druid - Beginners Guide - out of date
- Cataclysm Hunter PvP Beginners Guide - out of date
- Random Hunter Games Thread - a sticky thread where people link their youtube channels. Gotta love hunters
- Frost Mage PvP Guide - out of date. Great example of a guide. I think it could be structured and worded better, but Xandyn had the right idea of trying to teach people something. This is what I think every spec should have
- Mage Gear Guide (S11) - out of date
- Mage Basics - out of date (since Season 9!). This is an example of a bad guide, no offense. Character setup is quickly overviewed, then 20 tips are randomly thrown out (of random, specific situations), and that's the whole guide
- Mage PVP Calculators - out of date
- Cataclysm Mage FAQ - out of date (since Season 9!). The author was even kind enough to edit his post and say that it's outdated at the very top, yet it's still a sticky
- Vanguards Retribution Paladin PvP Guide (5.2) - everybody applaud, a sticky that is up-to-date!
- The Holy Paladin Guide - out of date
- Holy Paladin Basics - out of date (since Season 9!)
- Holy Paladin guide (another one?) - out of date (since Season 9!)
- Priest PvP Scripts and Macros - out of date. The scripts probably still work, but most macros are probably irrelevant in todays game
- Priest Macros - no idea why this is a sticky for 3 years now
- Priests and Arena in 4.0.6 - out of date (since Season 9!)
- Vishas and Hildegard's rogue guide - approved by Reckful - another up-to-date guide
Only one sticky on this forum, one that's actually relevant. Rogues are winning.
- Warlock Spell Pen/Hit for S9 - out of date (since Season 9!)
- Warlock Addons - out of date (since WotLK!)
- Warlocks and Getting started - out of date (since Season 9!)
TLDR: there's only two sticky threads that are up to date at all: Rets and Rogues. Shamans have no guides at all. There's tons of guides and stickies that weren't updated since Season 9 - that's more than 2 years ago! I even found a thread that was a sticky since May 2009, good old WotLK! Come on!
And the worst thing is that all of this outdated information is still getting views, because it's stickied. Because nobody cares, and because there's no new content. It makes me wonder what content editors are doing. No offense guys, but I see some content editors and moderators posting fairly frequently here, yet you can't at least unpin threads that are outdated for several years to not misinform people and to make this very forum look a bit more representative? What do new users think when they see Season 9 info stickied? Uh.
Look at PvE. It's the same game, it has the same problems, but there's so much information about PvE compared to PvP. Go to icy-veins.com and look at the class guides. Remember old Elitist Jerks guides. There's also noxxic.com (I love the concept of this one, but too much bad content). There's a bunch of very popular youtube channels dedicated to boss guides, and they're also available on icy-veins. It takes me a few seconds to find any info I need in PvE. Why don't we have this in PvP anymore?
If we actually help people improve, maybe they will be slightly more interested?
Secondly, forum structure.
Look at "Ask a Gladiator" section. Most threads have 0 replies, occasionally there's a reply, rarely a conversation (mostly trash). No wonder, there's no incentive for a Junkie to ever visit that section. I'm willing to bet that most of the replies in that section are because people randomly bump into those threads via the "fresh threads" stream on front page, "view new content", last post or similar, not by actually visiting the section. It's not that everybody is a douchebag and doesn't wanna help, it's the forum structure not helping that happen.
Class forums, I only visit the warlock and occasionally the DK one, but both are inactive. It wouldn't surprise me if all the other class forums are also inactive - people don't even bother to report sticky threads from Season 9... So I wonder, why are class forums still junkie-only? They could be the perfect place to answer questions and educate people. I used to post a ton on class forums on official forums just because I enjoyed answering questions and helping people, while at the same time refining and reviewing my own knowledge constantly.
Same thing goes for the 2v2/3v3/5v5 subsections of the general discussion section. I don't think they serve any purpose whatsoever anymore. You could drag them out and let non-junkies access them, so there are actual discussions about 2v2/3v3/5v5 matchups instead of being a collection of threads about end of season wintrading.
With some decent moderation, this could work wonders. I don't mean EJ-esque strict moderation. Just remove all the trash replies and warn/ban douchebags. It won't be that hard, really.
Leave general as it is, of course. I'm not suggesting to remove access limitations completely, but right now the non-junkie section is like a ghetto. All I'm suggesting is a bit more integration at the cost of inactive forum sections. Everybody wins.
Speaking of inactive forum sections, another thing that bugs me all the time is all those out of date, useless sections:
- "Blizzard 3v3 Tournament"? TR is down for ages now. And why not call it something like "TR Recruitment" because that's all that it's for? All the actual tournament stream discussions happen in the News threads.
- "Theorycrafting", what's the point of this one? Existed for years, a grand total of 54 topics.
- "NAO Invitational Tournament", when was the last NAO?
- "Content Feedback", I fail to understand what is this for. All the "content" on the site has comment sections for it, why does this section exist? People mistake the "macros" subsection as a forum to ask help with macros, too
I don't think it's healthy when some 20 sections are dead inactive. It sort of reminds you that the game is dead and there's nothing you can do, you know.
And lastly, be nicer to each other. When there's no textual references and all experience and knowledge is shared verbally, it matters more than ever.
Posted Seu on 18 March 2013 - 05:51 AM
damage and offensive output is pure shit and the class is boring as fuck to play now. you just bomb heals purge and do spectral guise sprint fears. disc and its playstyle is so incredibly gutted it boggles my mind, when I qd 2s for cap i kept mashing old binds out of habit for one of the spells that got removed... you dont even have anything to do in healer mirrors. the funniest are dpriest rogue mirrors which actually used to be really intense and all about knowing when to position offensively and when to d up so you dont get killed or burned to oom instantly, now you just run around the middle with your dick in your hand like a fucking holy paladin throwing out shields and trying to fear on cooldown.
actually even holy paladins get to kick or repent
Posted Veev on 14 March 2013 - 02:11 AM
Posted Smooviex on 14 March 2013 - 01:12 AM
Posted Zaephyr on 13 March 2013 - 10:08 AM
shit dude every one of your comments is about how either
a) This game is shit
b ) everyone playing it is a fat nerd
c) you've started lifting
on all 3 points, your opinion is not needed here.
Posted amirdaheat on 04 March 2013 - 03:23 AM
Posted ardnut on 27 February 2013 - 09:28 AM
This could be the best season ever!!!