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Frost/Unholy 5.4.7 guide

23 February 2014 - 01:45 PM

DK frost/unholy guide (5.4.7)

PvP Talents

Unholy :
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Frost :
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Those are talents that I use as default in arena. Talents and Glyphs should be changed every arena match depending on what composition you're playing, what you're up against, and what strategy you and your opponent might execute.

Level 15:
Rolling blood for unholy Plague leech / Unholy blight for frost

Unholy : Rolling blood for unholy for more aoe dmg .

Frost : Plague leech if you play with aspxyxiate or death advance, Unholy blight if you play with chillblains

Level 30
Lichborne for both specs is only viable option as it provides fear break ,polymorph/sleep immunity as well as good self heals because you can use deathcoils to heal yourself while lichborne is active

purgeatory tend to bug in pvp like guardian spirit did in 5.0-5.4 so this is not viable option and anti-magic zone is reduced to 3 seconds duration for 40% spell reduction so lichborne is always better

Level 45
Aspxyxiate is recommended for most cases for both specs. If you play with rogue or warrior or any comp in which you got plenty of short cd stuns provided by your teammates you can go for chillblains or death advance

Level 60

Unholy :
Conversion - Usable while silenced conversion provides 3-6% heal per second (its possible to spam conversion without calceling conversion aura doubling the effect for double the cost check macros below ) and its far superior to death pact and death siphon..Dk 4 piece bonus also interacts here giving you 3 runic power every second for 5 seconds while you are slowed which is usually all the time making conversion costing 2rp per sec!
However against comps that have low sustained dmg but high burst I recomend Death pact over conversion

Frost :

Death pact - conversion is not an option if you play frost because runic power has much greater value then it does for unholy dk. Spamming your conversion while you are trained will totally shut down your offense resulting in much less dmg output.

Level 75
Blood tap - why blood tap, answer is simple no rng. Other 2 talents are rng and sometimes you can do 5-6 deathcoils or frost strikes and they wont proc

Level 90
Desecrated ground - Extra pvp trinket and best option in this tier

Gorefiend has usage in 5v5 and rbgs but for 2v2 and 3v3 its just not good enough as you can already grip 2 targets in ring of frost without using it.

Remorseless winter is a pve ability and it has no use in arena games but
you can sometimes pick chillblains + remorseless winter as 5.4 strangulate is no longer on global cooldown so using strangulate+remorseless at same time on a shaman , priest or paladin healer will guarantee that rw stun will go off as they cant dispell/freedom stacks while they are silenced. Yet again if those healers are paired with enhancemet shaman , hunter , ww monk , or ret they can freedom their healers every time you silence+rw them making your RW useless.

Glyphs

Prime Glyphs:

Frost :

Shifting presences - mandatory
Dark simulacrum - mandatory unless you meet mw/war/hunter for example
Icy touch - Frost dks can purge alot this glyph is mandatory
Regenerative magic - i swap it sometimes with ds glyph against kfc

Unholy :

Dark simulacrum - mandatory unless you meet mw/war/hunter for example
Shifting presences - optional
Icy touch - optional , unholy dks can not purge much but sometimes you can get that bop off in 1-2 purges
Pestilence - Paired with chillblains its easier to slow opponets down and its easier to keep your dots up on multiple targets
Enduring infection - against double disease dispel teams such as priest/monk/x

Minor glyph :

-Glyph of death embrace - refunds 20 runic if you succesfully heal your pet

Gems / Enchants / Stats
General Priorities for Stats :

Unholy :
3% Hit>3% Expertise>Crit>mastery>haste

Most of dks go for pure crit gemming and reforging. Why is this so? In 5.4 they changed Unholy Presence to grant a flat 20% Haste to all things, up from Haste for melee (attack speed and Rune regeneration) only.Gemming haste or reforging it is total overkill if you dance your presences

If you plan to sit in blood presence and never go out of it anytime haste reforging and full str gems work just fine

Frost :
3%hit/3% expertise > Haste > mastery > crit

Frost dks gem haste because with full 550 gear you can make your rune regen under 8 seconds. Why is this so important?
This means that you can actually sit in blood presence while trained and still do descent dmg output on single target.


Recommended Gems:

Unholy :
Meta - 216 Strength / +3% Crit Damage or Tyrannical Meta Gem (Have both Helms ready, Strength meta still does more damage / burst while Tyrannical Meta Gem is better for surviving)
Red -  80 str / 160 crit
Yellow -  320 crit
Blue - 160 crit /  80 PvP Power

Frost :
Meta - 216 Strength / +3% Crit Damage or Tyrannical Meta Gem (Have both Helms ready, Strength meta still does more damage / burst while Tyrannical Meta Gem is better for surviving)
Red -  80str / 160 haste
Yellow -  320 haste
Blue - 160 haste/80 pvp power


Viable DK Comps
Dks are in pretty bad shape in mop but you can still reach high ratings.
I recomed dk/ele/druid , tsg or phd for unholy and dk/rogue/healer for frost.

Professions
Doesn't really matter. Use any professions that give strength or attack power gains. Blacksmithing is really good since it can give you crit/haste if you choose to do so. Jewelcrafting also can give you crit/haste, these professions give you choices on what you want to do.

What rotation do you use in PvP?
There is no "specific" rotation in PvP.

Playing unholy dk you want to get some attack power procs first such as Unholy strenght, pvp proc trinket or on use trinket or all 3 at same time then spread powerfull diseases on as much targets possible and pop your gargoyle.
If you want to do a hard swap you should have dotted that target first have saved atleast 10 blood charges and 3-4 death runes then aspxyxiate enemy healer and do 5-6 necrotics +gnaw on target
If your partner is free to dps at this point and your team has follow-up cc  you are already forcing major defensives or pvp trinket

Frost is easy to understand if you are in blood presence keep 2 dots up on a target fish a km proc then obliterate. If you are free to be in frost presence don't fish anything just put 2 dots on do rotation with this prio:


KM proc obliterate > necrotic strike > frost strike > obliterate

Addons:

I recomend getting magic runes but you can use this script if you dislike addons

/script RuneFrame:SetScale(2.0)
/run RuneFrame:SetPoint("top", 0, -325)

change values to move it where you want

-gladius or s arena or move anything to move your arena frames



What macros does Dks have for PvP?

This is list of all my macros :

1) focus simulacrum macro

#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus] Dark Simulacrum

2) arena frames simulacrum macros :

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena1] dark simulacrum

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena2] dark simulacrum

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena3] dark simulacrum

3) frost strike + blood tap macro :

#showtooltip
/cast frost strike
/cast blood tap

4) horn + da macro also removes annoying red error text

/cast death's advance
/cast horn of winter
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()

5) Death pact macro

#showtooltip
/cast [nopet] raise dead
/cast !death pact


6) arena frames grip macros

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena1] death grip

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena2] death grip

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena3] death grip

7) HB macro

#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast howling blast

8) pop/cancel lichborne macro

#showtooltip
/cancelaura Lichborne
/cast Lichborne

9) Deahcoil selfheal macro + hs

#showtooltip lichborne
/use Grievous Gladiator's Badge of Victory
/cast !lichborne;
/cast [target=player] Death Coil
/use fel healthstone

10) Mindfreeze macro for focus and target

/cast [modifier:shift, target=focus] Mind Freeze
/cast [nomodifier] Mind Freeze

11)necrotic + blood tap

#showtooltip
/cast necrotic strike
/cast blood tap

12) remorseless macro
/cast strangulate
/cast remorseless winter

13) frenzy+pvp trinket

#showtooltip unholy frenzy
/use Grievous Gladiator's Badge of Victory
/cast unholy frenzy

14) arena frames macros for coi

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena1] chains of ice

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena2] chains of ice

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena3] chains of ice

15) cancelauras

/cancelaura hand of protection
/cancelaura hand of freedom
/cancelaura divine shield
/cancelaura ice block
/cancelaura conversion

16) pet macro

/petautocastoff claw
/petfollow
/petmoveto

17) stancedance macros

#showtooltip
/cast frost presence
/cast Blood presence

#showtooltip
/cast unholy presence
/cast blood presence

18) swifty macro


#showtooltip summon gargoyle
/use 10
/use blood fury
/use berserking
/cast Unholy Frenzy
/cast summon gargoyle
/use Grievous Gladiator's Badge of Victory
/petfollow
/petattack


19) leapgnaw macro

#showtooltip
/cast leap
/cast gnaw

20) conversion macro

#showtooltip
/cast !conversion

21) focus it macro

#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus] icy touch

22) focus grip macro

#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus] death grip

23) mouseover petattack macro

/cast [target=mouseover, exists] [harm] icy touch
/petattack mouseover

24) leapgnaw focus:

#showtooltip
/cast [@focus] leap
/cast [@focus] gnaw

25) arena purge macros

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena1] icy touch

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena2] icy touch

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena3] icy touch


26) pet macro

/petfollow
/petattack
/petautocaston claw

27) pet heal macro

#showtooltip
/cast [target=pet] death coil

28) leap gnaw for arena 123

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena1] leap
/cast [@arena1] gnaw

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena2] leap
/cast [@arena2] gnaw

#showtooltip
/cast [@arena3] leap
/cast [@arena3] gnaw

29) Swifty for frost

/cast pillar of frost
/use 10
/use blood fury
/use berserking
/use Grievous Gladiator's Badge of Victory

30) focus strangulate macro

#showtooltip strangulate
/cast blood tap
/cast [target=focus] strangulate

31) arena strangulate/aspxyxiate macros

#showtooltip strangulate
/cast blood tap
/cast [@arena1] strangulate


#showtooltip strangulate
/cast blood tap
/cast [@arena2] strangulate

#showtooltip strangulate
/cast blood tap
/cast [@arena3] strangulate


32) soul reaper/ scourge macro
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] soul reaper
/cast scourge strike

33) raise dead + transform macro
/cast [nopet] raise dead
/cast !dark transformation

how to fix dks in 4 simple steps

08 February 2014 - 01:19 AM

1) bring back desecration as glyph
2) remoreseless winter swaped with death advance , death advance breaks roots like it was in beta
3) remove double grip give us 10% dmg reduction in frost/uh presence
4) delete both ams glyph change them with a bandaid 40% magic reduction glyph instead of absorb


class fixed

to all you shitter mages complaining about dk 4 trinkets

07 February 2014 - 06:33 AM

2 blocks that you can use as trinket
emhf
blink 15 sec cd

What if...

08 January 2014 - 08:18 PM

-casters cast again , instant casts are rare
-castable CC spells are not affected by haste or cast slow debuffs.
-cast slow debuffs reduced to 10% in pvp or removed from game
-all crits reduced to 150% of normal dmg in pvp
-Offensive cd stacking no longer exists because all specs have 1 offensive cd on 1-3 mins
-Reduced number and increased cd and lockouts of interupts 15-20 sec for melle 30 sec for casters 5-7 sec lockout depends on class
-They removed blankets
-fear and poly are actually on same dr
-Armor penetration is removed from pvp or greatly nerfed
-Melle specials no longer do 400% more then autoattacks do
-Necrotic strike healing debuff is based on weapon dmg not ap procs
-frost strike , envenom , chimera shot and all hunters/melle dmg abilities that do non-physical dmg got scourge strike threatment
-mages,locks got some additional dmg reduction from ranged physical attacks
-They reduced number of stuns each class have (example : shockwave and stormbolt in same tier)
-They reduced number of defensive cds for dps specs
-They reduced healing of hybrid classes can do and they actually got some utility spells instead
-They reduced number of instant cc spells and all of them are on 1+ min cd
-They reduced frequency of instant heals , smartheals and their efficiency in pvp
-They reduced almost all self-freedom or snare removing mechanics undispelable snares should matter way more in pvp (chains of ice,hamstring,piercing howl,concussive shot)
-They reduced all mini trinkets in game
-They reduced all double gap closer/gap maker spells
-They reworked dispell system in pvp 8 sec dispel vs spam cc no cd
-Agility and str no longer provides parry/dodge for non tank specs. ****
(27% passive parry as dk jk works as intended and monks are even worse 38% passive parry+dodge, 50% with agi procs up and guess what its not even our final form they announced new season :D )
-Getting polyd with pummel on cd and spellreflect up cant happen anymore
-shapeshifts no longer removes snare effects and provide no immunity against polymorph effects, resto druids can rootbreak but not snarebreak
-Gw and death advance no longer provide reduced efficiency of snares
-hunters cc is completly reworked they cant keep healer in cc 50% of arena game anymore



-dematerialize no longer exists
-void tendrils break on dmg
-psyfiend has 2 min cd
-feathers are 20% speedbuff
-body and soul is 20% speedbuff
-spectral guise has 2 min cd
-displacer beast has 2 min cd
-symbiosis no longer works in arena
-sotf no longer increases cast time of cc spells
-heart of the wild has 15 sec duration or no longer works in arena
-ring of frost has 2 min cd
-frozen orb no longer deals dmg to players and no longer generate procs in pvp
-demonic gate cant be used in arena
-subterfuge no longer exists
-disorienting roar has 2 min cd but 5 sec duration
-double time no longer exists
-msr replaces sr
-disrupting shout replaces pummel
-safeguard no longer breaks roots
-monk glove bonus no longer exists
-double grip bonus no longer exists
-sparring and glyph of sparring no longer exists
-tigereye brew stacks give only 20% dmg instead of 60% in arenas
-stampede , wild imps and forest of totems are no longer usable in arena and you can actually see something around you once they are up
-double freedom,sac,bop is gone


Would we have a balanced game?

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