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#3954434 How to fix our Warrior without going back to 5.2/5.3 state. Feedback and sugg...

Posted Neverever on 04 October 2013 - 08:25 AM

I think the only problem with warriors atm is the way defensive stance/2nd wind? scales with the current resilience change. On ptr, before this change, warriors felt weak, even when the rest of their toolkit was set in place. It's only the fact that they can play very aggressively right now because of a forgiving defense mechanism which makes their toolset seem really annoying.

It's not the tools that need to be removed, which are not really much more than what other classes have in total, but the passive defense that needs to be scaled down. If you reduce warrior utility now, they will just become damage monkeys again.

#3954389 How to fix our Warrior without going back to 5.2/5.3 state. Feedback and sugg...

Posted Braindance on 04 October 2013 - 06:58 AM

View PostDoomnatrah, on 04 October 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

Play by play action of warrior sitting on an ele shaman but could be applied to almost every caster.

Warrior charges
Shaman tstorms
Warrior leaps
shaman roots
warrior banners out
warrior charges
shaman jukes pummel
shaman jukes disrupting shout
shaman jukes reflect
shaman jukes mass reflect
warrior charges
shaman tstorms
warrior leaps
shaman roots
warrior intervene out
warrior charges
shaman jukes pummel
shaman jukes disrupting shout
shaman jukes reflect
shaman jukes mass reflect
warrior charges


It never stops and this isnt even taking into account other variables.  Something needs to give here.  Having to juke 2 interrupts, 2 spell reflects, get charged twice, get shockwaved all in a never ending cycle is absolutely too much.  Warriors are everywhere because the class is broken.  Most warriors can be successful in arenas by simply mashing a rotation of never ending cooldowns to counter a caster.

Imo warrior mobility is way too high.  Even playing a spec that has roots and a knockback, it takes a very long time to catch a warrior without a CD to get back to you.  The mobility would be fine if the control wasnt so high/
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#3953342 The death of priests

Posted Radejjj on 03 October 2013 - 04:15 AM

View PostSpeedymart, on 03 October 2013 - 04:05 AM, said:

nope nope nope

we'll talk about fixing their mana once we did with shit like feathers/fear

Feathers+Guise+Chastise+Fear can burn in hell with blood fear, glyph of death and decay, and mace stun.

#3951011 DKs not getting 25% str on trinket procs in PVP? Stealth Nerf?

Posted bonner on 01 October 2013 - 12:52 AM

why do you even post convict theres literally nobody on this planet who likes you. please go play in traffic

#3947778 How to fix our Warrior without going back to 5.2/5.3 state. Feedback and sugg...

Posted Deonto on 25 September 2013 - 10:18 PM

Warrior single target damage doesn't seem any bit higher than other melee classes that also deal consistent damage. In fact, the only time wars do this "insane" damage is when they AoE. Which is usually only meaningful in a comp that allows it. And I don't really see an issue with that.

#3947458 Warrior damage buffs too much? In need of nerfs maybe?

Posted Silhin on 24 September 2013 - 11:56 PM


for all this nerf warrior talk and how op they r there not that many warrior sitting on the top ladder

i mean geez u think it would be half of the page filled with warrior with all this warrior bashing

#3947445 Warrior damage buffs too much? In need of nerfs maybe?

Posted irubuwrongtime on 24 September 2013 - 11:39 PM

Only two posts that actually made some sense and maybe worth responding to...

View PostSaikx, on 22 September 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

warriors have the same uptime as WW Monks now = you cant even take a shit in private anymore, give them damage or mobility not both

Warrior damage is not op. I tell you this right now because dk still outdps warrior easily even with their shit mobility. Also DK on healer is still like x10 pressure than warrior on healer.
I'll explain why you feel this way tho, is because we actully have more uptime from couple qol changes that happend this patch. One is hamstring off gcd and the other is reflect & wall w/o shield. We don't have dps loss like previous seasons anymore except when we need to go d-stance making us rage starved.

Also regarding our mobility, NOTHING changed from last season. We still have 30 sec root breaker and nothing else to come out of root w/o dispel. Now that most of high rated warriors are taking storm bolt instead of avatar. It is more so this way. Thing is we would usually take bladestorm vs mage comps so we can have more uptime and that's the only reason you may feel we are unpeelable.

Tbh, damage and mobility defines our class since the begining of this game. I'm sure you have dealt with it many seasons already.
If you take either the damage or the mobility away from our class, then everything goes back to last season or s11. Rogue is played differently and they would always have their place in arena 3s. But why take warrior or DK over hybrid melee like enh, ret, feral when they can do the same damge or more damage(last season) and have so much more utility for the whole team?

You guys just need to come down a bit. Best pala US like Shindy and best ele US like Kisz are not even ranked above top 100 yet. We are just going into 2nd week of the patch and there are just not enough games played to say what's clearly OP and what's not. It's not too late to complain even after we all get full gears. Let's see what happens then.

I actually do kinda agree with your idea. There has to be some sort of reward for juking pummel or reflect. But then again, if you put them on a share cd? Who would use disrupting shout or MSR? U have pummel up or reflect up by the time share CD is over and then what???

They would have to make it like when you disrupting shout, you can still follow it up with pummel but u can't use pummel then disrupting shout right after. Since disrupting shout is on a longer cd and it's aoe. Same thing for spell reflect and MSR. Blizzard would have to just come up with new design to make it work for everyone but that's just their work...

Tbh, at 2200+ rating, ppl are already adopting to double kick and double reflect. They just juke it twice. It's easier than before because now most warriors at like 2K below doesn't even bother about juking. They just pummel or disrupting shout on cd.

That's just my 2cents from playing warrior above 2000~2400 mmr 1st week of the patch.

So far, it's the best patch ever IMO. No arena team, regional queue, I mean cmon how can it be better than this shit??? :) Just try to enjoy the game more instead of worrying about dropping MMR.

#3945809 Warrior damage buffs too much? In need of nerfs maybe?

Posted Yoloswaggae on 22 September 2013 - 06:44 PM

Mages don't cast.


#3947378 Warriors

Posted Pinka on 24 September 2013 - 08:59 PM

Lol played some games vs ww monk, sp, shaman. Just to realize monks are the most dumb and under the radar class out there.

#3946824 Warriors

Posted wraithaur on 24 September 2013 - 04:08 AM

Don't people get it yet. If you nurf warriors then some other class that isn't yours will be top and you will call to nurf that too until yours is finally best and you will say...Yup everything is balanced now.

As far as being highest consistent damage. Skulking in the darkness not saying anything is assassination rogues. Just cause everyone is so hooked on playing Sub people haven't realised how fucking retarded the poison damage is from assassination. Playing PTR and every rogue was assassination, i don't know how there are not more on live now....probably because of the warrior\dk counter.
True our bleed damage is high...but its less than a feral. Feral damage hasn't been nurfed, they just had their easy-mode stuns and instant whirliebird removed.

People crying about the interupts and reflects clearly didn't play a warrior last season where you just stand there like a fucking retard and get killed in roots. They clearly didn't see how we were limited to running comps where someone, anyone could give us freedoms so we could hit a target and maintain enough up time to do anything. Anyone have a problem with a feral shifting out of any root you can do all the while maintaining an unhealable amount of bleed damage.

Got issues with warriors reflects. Play with a shaman who can wind sheer that crap. Got a problem with warriors getting out of roots. Play with someone who can stun. Got a problem getting a cast off, have someone peel for you.
This topic is so retarded it makes my brain hurt.

#3946580 How to fix our Warrior without going back to 5.2/5.3 state. Feedback and sugg...

Posted hekumzx on 23 September 2013 - 09:44 PM

In s9, warriors could pop cds, leap you for 80k shockwave for 120k and kill you.
In s12, warriors could build stacks, swap and 1 shot you in a warbringer off stun DR? with reck.
In s14, warriors feel like warriors again for the first time since s7 (as a healer).  ferals feel like ferals, need a tiny buff somewhere maybe.  hunters are still gay as fuck but feel like hunters again.

Not sure why you're bitching.  Good post though, would read again if given the chance.
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#3946427 How to fix our Warrior without going back to 5.2/5.3 state. Feedback and sugg...

Posted Thugjitsu on 23 September 2013 - 06:12 PM



#3944126 My Dissapointment in Blizzard – Where is the spirit of Fair Play?

Posted flannelsoff on 19 September 2013 - 09:41 PM

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#3944363 5.4 Heal-FOTM

Posted Tist on 20 September 2013 - 04:20 AM

the next time i see a comp without a holy priest or hunter i'll let you know

#3944279 Storm bolt vs Avatar & Bladestorm vs Shockwave

Posted Tankz on 20 September 2013 - 01:29 AM

it depends completly on the setup you play and what you face, but i'd almost always say shockwave + skillbolt.