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#4086121 Poll: Scummiest Comp of Mists of Pandaria?

Posted Zekrom on 24 March 2014 - 06:59 PM

Greetings friends. As this expansion comes to a close, we have experienced 3 full seasons and 1 that is currently underway.  The purpose of this thread is to gather a wider opinion on what the playerbase as a whole considers to be the scummiest comp in MoP. I intend to, at the end of the expansion, make a top 5 list to crown once and for all THE scummiest 3v3 arena comp of Mists. Please attempt to keep discussion civil.

General criteria to be considered "Scum of MoP":
1. For purposes of this thread, MUST have been relevant most or all seasons of MoP (12-15).
2. Ability to get decently or very high rated.
3. Less setup required for a kill.
4. Ability to easily produce high amounts of damage.
5. Extremely effective turtling
6. Extremely gimmicky kills (IE Swifty One Shots, 100-0 in Bomb, etc.).
7. Infinite, unbreakable CC chains.

I’ve gathered opinions from many different people, melee, casters and healers alike, and I’ve compiled their feelings on the comps that they felt met this criteria. I’ve also attempted to represent most of the classes equally, however, some classes have just been redesigned in Mists to play more like scum than others (see “warrior” and “hunter” versus “ret” and “priest”).

For those unfamiliar with any of the comps listed, I'll explain each a bit and why it’s placed here.

KFC ( :warrior: / :hunter: / :shaman:)
My personal contender, KFC has been prevalent and strong seasons 12 - 15, with a small dip in prevalence in season 13. Warrior Hunter synergy has been undebatebly strong the whole expansion. KFC often had trouble beating some caster teams when they played with paladins, and by season 13 had started largely playing with Resto Shamans. The infamous "sham goat" strategy largely involves throwing all their instant CC at the healer while training one DPS target with heavy single-target pressure. Some will go on healers depending on the comp. Largely, a very scummy comp with a scummy strat.

LSD ( :warlock: / :shaman: / :druid:)
With heavy buffs rolling in for ele shamans in 5.2 and 5.3, LSD emerged as a strong caster comp beginning in season 13 and remains strong to this day. This comp has earned its scum status by being nearly unkillable plus having the rot with the RNG one shot from the ele. LSD has been favored largely by the addition of Dampening in Season 14. Many comps have a hard time being able to beat LSD, and the games generally always last longer than 10 minutes. No one enjoys facing LSD and it can be played at rank 1 levels.

Beast Cleave ( :shaman: / :hunter: / :priest: or :paladin:)
Buffs to enhance in season 13 increased the prevalence of this comp and has made it strong ever since. With the strength of hunter CC and burst damage, combined with Ascendance one shot, beast cleave has been known to train mages to the ground and one shot them before hypothermia (Ice Block debuff) is off cooldown. However, Beast Cleave's high single target sustained damage and insane burst damage plus hunter's ability to perform a long CC chain makes beast cleave's strategy of training one target with intense damage fairly scummy. Beast Cleave is largely played to counter caster teams, especially mage teams.

Kitty Cleave ( :druid: / :warrior: / :paladin: or :priest: or :shaman:)
A comp known to have virtually no CC and extremely high single target constant damage, Kitty Cleave's strategy is by all definitions of the word "scum". High rated and low rated kitty cleaves alike will all start on one target and finish the game, win or lose, tunneling the same target. Largely, they will train resto shamans who can't escape their grasp, or less mobile casters like shadow priests, or squishy casters like mages. Their CC abilities can generally be counted on one hand, shockwave, cyclone, and whatever their healer may bring to the table. However, Kitty Cleave's skill cap generally doesn't allowed it to be played at extremely high ratings, and its prevalence has varied largely throughout Mists.

God Comp (Shatterplay) ( :mage: / :priest: / :druid:)
Strong since the release of Mists and still to this date, God comp has been seen all throughout Mists, with the largest dip in prevalence during Shadow's week season (14). A comp with buttloads of CC at its disposal with high burst damage, God Comp has been known to CC the other team down to a 3v1 and burst and almost always force the other team's cooldowns or trinkets or both. This comp could almost always be played to really high ratings and is strongly disliked by the many teams it counters.

PHP ( :paladin: / :hunter: / :priest: or :shaman:)
Gaining large popularity in season 13 and being a ret's signature comp since, PHP has been known to only land traps off Fist of Justice and pop all its cooldowns the second the trap lands, sometimes if it's not successful. The idea of the global kill hasn't been stronger, only being seen as strongly in beast cleave, and is considered scummy by all those who die in half a second from 50% to 0.

PHD ( :deathknight: / :hunter: / :priest: or :shaman: or Monk)
Being the go-to comp for a DK for the expansion, PHD was viable to rank 1 during MoP and was buffed mid Season 14, making PHD a team almost guaranteed to force cooldowns during the 30 second window that the DK uses his Gargoyle and Unholy Frenzy. The games are generally extremely short as someone is bound to die, due to a lack of peels that DKs have, or the just intense amount of damage coming out plus hunter and priest CC. Many healers and casters really hate this comp due to its high sustained damage and ungodly burst.

Turbo Cleave ( :warrior: / :shaman: / :priest: or :paladin: or Monk)
One of "those" comps, Turbo Cleave has been more or less a good train one target comp throughout Mists, just like Kitty Cleave, and a few people have managed to secure decent rating as it. A fear class's nightmare, some people just really hate the idea of turbo cleave and wanted me to include it here.

RMD (RMP) ( :rogue: / :mage: / :druid: or :priest:)
Emerging as of Season 13 again, the notorious RMP has been degraded strongly into a gimmick comp, with cheap shot/tricks/orb being able to kill something in a matter of mere seconds. Rogue mage synergy has become god-like again by the end of Mists, and RMP/RMD has reclaimed its position as a strong comp, but has more recently been noted as an extremely gimmicky one.

MLD (MLS) ( :mage: / :warlock: / :druid: or :shaman:)
“I just wanna play the game!” is probably the most common thing said when facing this comp. A universally strong comp, avoiding CC is nearly impossible when facing MLD/MLS, and as such has become hated by many. With a destro lock, the comp’s burst is extremely large and will nearly always force cooldowns. The idea of MLD/MLS being scum, however, is debatable, but some felt the need for it to be in this list.

WMD (WMM) ( :warrior: / :mage: / :druid: or Monk)
Being “that” flavor of the month comp, WMD takes 3 overtuned classes and just pops damage with mage CC and cyclone to kill its target. Similar to KFC in design, WMD has been seen as being largely unskillful and thereby scum, especially considering that warriors and mages have not normally been two classes to synergize well at all, and just rely on pure damage to land kills.

Ele/Mage ( :shaman: / :mage: / :priest: or :druid:)
“Did they even cast anything to kill me?” is probably the best question to ask when you lose to this comp. This comp is another that has taken 3 overtuned classes and put them together. Especially when playing with a holy priest, this comp completely embodies the “castless casters” that MoP has been known and hated for. For this reason, this previously nameless comp, comprised of more flavor of the month classes, has occasionally been referred to as names such as “instant scum” or similar.

TSG ( :warrior: / :deathknight: / :paladin: or Monk)
Last, but certainly not least scummy, TSG has actually been played at rank 1 levels and has been seen since the beginning of MoP. With the re-emergence of melee cleaves with monk healers by Season 14, TSG can commonly be seen at decent ratings. Many feel TSG largely exemplifies “no skill” as they brainlessly train one target and pop all cooldowns to force major defensives off the other team, and will eventually land a random kill from their intense single target pressure.

If you think I’ve missed something, please feel free to comment below. If your argument is compelling, I may include it here.

#4076320 Time to remove paralytic poison.

Posted ottishen on 11 March 2014 - 12:26 AM

I know that this is completely off topic, but I just hate it when people are defending stuff that is obviously dumb:

View Postdj_abdullah, on 10 March 2014 - 10:16 PM, said:

I've never understood this argument.

Was it fine for warriors to have god-mode damage and better lockdown than a rogue for the majority of MOP or mages since the dawn of time?

People just hate dying to rogues, its been like that since Vanilla.

I don't understand THIS argument. Was it fine for warriors and mages to have god-mode damage and control? Of course not, and everyone apart from a small group of biased mages and warriors saw this and agreed that it was OP. You make it sound like no one said anything about it, but that is simply not true.

For some reason, a lot of rogues seems to be of the opinion that when rogues are really strong, people complain "because every1 hates rogues". What if I told you that it is because getting crit for 2x 150k back to back while being (close to) unpeelable is not okay for ANY class, rogues included? And an rng stun that could completely change the outcome of the game is also very stupid, no matter what class has it?

I just find it laughable when rogues tries to justify their class by saying that "no one complained about class x when they were op" when pretty much every thread since the release of MoP has been about what is currently op and that it should be fixed.

#4057787 Dis Shout

Posted kazuhmeer on 19 February 2014 - 10:47 PM

View Postkannetixx, on 19 February 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:

yeah it got old the first 90 kfc's i played against ...

the change was to stop warriors from just button mashing and missing a pummel but then sitting there with another AOE INTERRUPT just waiting for someone to cast something it was a joke and im glad it was fixed.

not defending disrupting shout at all but

basically every good mage team just kills a warrior 100-0 without casting anyway.  disrupting shout was only a real pain in the nuts because resto sham get so incredibly fucked by 2 kicks (who knew a class that casts).  mages dont cast.  seriously stop complaining.

#4057805 Season 14-15

Posted Seu on 19 February 2014 - 10:57 PM

View PostAdmoney, on 19 February 2014 - 09:13 PM, said:

I have no hope for this game anymore. The Jews at blizzard are trying as hard as they can to kill this game, $60 for lvl 90 is a joke along with another 8+ MONTHS (length of season) until WoD? Rofl who is making these decisions?

Don't expect much development from WoW unless it involves the in-game store and more ways for Blizz to make money off of a game we already pay $15/month for...

I remember back when mounts were rare drops, rewards for random shit, etc... Now you just wipe your ass $30 and POOF you have your new mount, pretty epic!

Edit: I wonder what all the PVE people will do... They have already been farming the same content for months at this point, and there will be NOTHING new for over 8months, wtf?

wod arena and raid changes look incredible and I am all for them devoting the vast majority of their dev team to make it great, its pretty obvious there is no hope for mop anyway. the proposed changes arent just good on their own, they are a clear indication that blizzard cares about small scale competitive pvp again which hasnt been the case for a few years.

I cant believe anyone on this website would complain about blizzard focusing entirely on endgame pvp and pve content, and offering players a way to skip grinding levels to get there immediately.

do you really give a fuck if anyone buys a level 90? It just means when your friends buy the xpacs to come back they will be able to arena with you right away, and if you are too busy irl to grind a character up that you want to arena on you can just drop $60 and have it. its an old game and as a result a lot of us who play it are in our 20's now, with less free time to grind levels and more disposable income we can put towards ensuring the free time we have is enjoyable.

i honestly dont get the backlash with the buying level 90s, its not like being max level in this game is an achievement to be proud of anyway.

#4057478 Dis Shout

Posted Braindance on 19 February 2014 - 05:55 PM

View Postdeprivelol, on 19 February 2014 - 12:18 PM, said:

i have downs
Yes you do and you're shit.

Stay small l2p

#4021174 How To Remove Blood Horror 100% of the time

Posted Variux on 29 December 2013 - 09:07 AM

Hey guys, I wanted to share a commentary video I recently put together on how to remove blood horror 100% of the time. I've been doing this trick since the introduction of blood horror and felt it was a good time to share it with the community.

Here is the link, WCM is currently down for me... but the link should work when it's back online.

Also, check out the full length video that inspired the commentary here:

I'm going to be extremely busy until the new year so I won't be able to respond very quickly; however, I will check back at least once to respond to any questions or comments.

Thanks, I hope you all enjoy and have a Happy New Year!

#3983308 KFC Questions... Greatly appreciated!!

Posted irubuwrongtime on 05 November 2013 - 09:11 PM

KFC is pretty much straight forward.  Wait till you have chain cc on healer then burst, repeat until you have the kill.
When you don't have chain cc, just play d meaning try not to over extend for no reason and also help the hunter kite the dmg while you do your best to interrupt enemy chain cc on your healer, etc.  Rule of thumb is best offense = best defense almost always.

My talent choice is juggernaut, second wind, disrupting shout, shockwave, MSR, stormbolt. I might swap shockwave with bladestorm against rmp(d) if I know I will be their main target. Bladestorming deep freeze or full stun on you is a game breaker in these match ups.

Vs mirror or warrior comps, you need to cross cc their warrior to cover your hunter's trap.  Very easily done.
Stormbolt healer -> Trap as hunter scatters warrior so he can't intervene or MSR.  Or the opposite way is to stormbolt warrior as hunter scatter traps.

Vs war/ele(enh)/healer, it gets a bit more difficult cuz you have to triple cc for trap.  Something like stormbolt healer, scatter warrior, silence on sham.  If you play against decent team, you will have to go through their trinket rotations until they have forced enuf cooldowns from your hunter as well.  War/ele/healer can be a very strong counter vs KFC for this reason.

As for the choice of healer, both priest and paladin are very viable for KFC.  I can't say which one is better because it really depends on the comps you face.  Just have your buddy play the class he feels most comfortable with.  That's usually the best way to go.

Hope it helped.

#4004512 People whining about the lower Rank 1 and Gladiator cutoffs

Posted Deeklol on 03 December 2013 - 05:22 AM

Stop crying and play the game. Give those lifetime duelist a chance at glad. A combined battlegroup is what pvpers wanted for the longest time.

#4004539 People whining about the lower Rank 1 and Gladiator cutoffs

Posted Nadagast on 03 December 2013 - 06:49 AM

I agree with the OP.  Let people have their fun and value r1 titles less than you used to (you shouldn't have valued them very highly in the first place).

#4002439 Grievous Gladiator and Gladiator cutouts in EU/US

Posted Speedymart on 30 November 2013 - 01:22 AM

They shouldn't really change glad cut offs

The old system was a dying thing with how little people play outside of BG9.

Back in TBC there were 100+ glad spots per battlegroup in 2s alone. Having 1k glad spots across all the battlegroups is more then acceptable. It just means any decent player will have a chance at it without having to bullshit their way through some dead ladder farming +2 point wins just to make it in that top 11 glad cut off range

#4001101 Grievous Gladiator and Gladiator cutouts in EU/US

Posted Cakesz on 27 November 2013 - 08:10 PM

It amuses me that in the state of Arena, where 90%+ of all R1 titles are wintrades and sells. Where most of the Gladiator titles are sold.

You utterly retarded mongoloids are complaining about something like this.

At the very least, legitimate players might actually be capable of getting it themselves.

You all disgust me.

It's even more delicious when the vast majority of the members of this site are THE reason that Arena has died. So get shit on retards.

#4000846 Grievous Gladiator and Gladiator cutouts in EU/US

Posted Agnosis on 27 November 2013 - 03:13 PM

Obviously the amount of glads will increase due to no team disbanding. But people saying "x rating is too low for glad" doesnt make much sense. Rating inflation varies so much from season to season. Having 2800 in s9 is equal to having ~2450 in s11 or 12, or 2200 in s4. Rating doesnt matter, ranking does.

The way I see it, they just added another title to the hierarchy. "R1" will be the new glad, glad is some duelist-glad inbetween, and so forth. The old r1 was, as people have said, quite pointless due to sharing and bad bgs and whatnot.

#3997984 S14 Elite gear

Posted akatyrone on 22 November 2013 - 12:06 AM

It's neat because it doesnt replace your old armor piece, you get an entirely new item, the catch is there are no stats on the elite pieces so that when you get them and choose to wear them, you truly have to play at an elite level, i think it adds a nice aspect into the game. maybe this will kickstart some arena participation!
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#3997510 Damn girl

Posted Radejjj on 21 November 2013 - 03:02 AM

Season 4 resto druids
Season 5 DKs
S11/4 rogues with pve gear
S12 warriors/hunters
s6/7 prot warriors

All more broken then warriors today imo

#3993616 This game is a steaming pile of horseshit

Posted Nixonxx on 15 November 2013 - 08:34 PM

you should quit the game then and stop creating useless rant threads