AwesoMegAmazing, on 11 June 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:
So, read the article, wasn't surprised, didn't see anything I didn't already know. Except the dancing part. If you know how to dance, or you do it with a light hearted attitude (not taking yourself so seriously), you will attract women.
Here's one experience I had...
My brother and I had just arrived at a bar downtown Milwaukee called Trinity. We went into an open area with our first round of drinks and found a table to stand by (no chairs). We were dancing goofily and talking with eachother while sipping our first drinks. Within the first 5 minutes of being there, 2 very attractive girls approached us and said they wanted to hang out with us because we looked like we were having more fun than everyone else.
The key is, we didn't look like we were there to pick up chicks. If you have that air about you, girls pick it up, and don't want to be around you. We weren't just acting like we didn't care, we really didn't care. We were there to have fun, be ourselves, and act goofy.
Picking up women is all about not trying. Seriously. Relax, be yourself, and focus more on having a good time. Women will come to you naturally. (unless you're super ugly lol gg)
It's been 11 minutes since I read your post and I now have 13 different girlfriends.
It is not my goal, but some ignorant decides to quote one sentence of my post replying with "that's just your opinion" when I'm writing about commonly accepted morality norm.
You took a specific and concrete discussion, lost, and attempted to broaden it to a philosophical debate. Stop it.
yourmomrofl, on 05 June 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:
So if I pick up a phone call and somebody steals mobile from me it was effect of my provocation? If I walk home at night and get beaten it's provocation from my side aswell?
If you pick random crimes done for gain of any kind, like stealing, rape, the criminal does it for his interest, the "provocation" from the victim can be only his excuse at best.
If a criminal commits acts of violence simply because he gets pleasure from others' suffering, again he's motived by something else than provocation. This is pretty much the same case as above besides that violence of others isn't seen as "gain" by normal people.
What part of my post where I explained serial violence and murder did you not get? Again, I've made this point many times now, I AM NOT SAYING IT IS THE VICTIMS FAULT FOR BEING STOLEN FROM/RAPED/MURDERED. I am simply saying that in circumstances of rape/theft/murder, you can often point to a poor decision made by the person. Maybe you were in a bad neighborhood. Maybe you were out alone while drunk. Maybe your store has poor security. Sometimes there is purely no reason for these things to happen, and for those examples I'd like for you to go back and read my post about serial violence. I think in the cases of serial violence you have a more grounded argument that human and animal abuses are less equitable, and that human abuse might be a bigger issue. I would still disagree, because I'm fucking disgusted by humanity and value animal lives more highly (other than food, because meat is delicious) than human lives. I understand that *that* part of the argument is purely circumstantial and up to personal opinion. The other parts are not.
Could you post examples of crimes which you see as caused by provocation? Because I can only think of crimes done for personal revenge as results of "provocation".
yourmomrofl, on 05 June 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:
Excluding the fact that when you are going to be victim of violence/abuse you are very likely to stand against people who are armed/are outnumbering you, or by other means are unable to avoid it by any means, why crime hurting stronger beings should be less justified than crime hurting weaker beings (assuming the crime would hurt them the same)? If the strong being would be able to save itself from abuse, it would certianly do it.
Now, even if you assume human victims of abuse always "provoke" the abuser and "have an ability to attempt stopping it", that still doesn't make animal abuse worse than human abuse, because an animal being is not a human being.
Read what I just wrote. I never said "always". And I never said "provoke" in the sense that you are implying. Stop. Trying. To. Twist. The. Argument. I said that in *most* cases there is a likely cause and effect with one person and another resulting in violence. Shaving and raping a gorilla in Borneo? No. No excuses whatsoever. You can't say "THAT GORILLA WAS DRESSED LIKE A WHORE!" And before you turn this into "you think scantily clad women deserve to get raped?!" - read my other posts - but there is literally nothing an animal could do to you that would warrant this type of reaction.
AwesoMegAmazing, on 05 June 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:
Finally, someone asking me to chime in.
Well, truth is, God created humans to be superior to all other lifeforms on this planet and to rule over them. But we're also supposed to be responsible with the resources we've been given. Abusing animals is wrong. And the Bible says very specifically to not have sex with animals.
I haven't read through this entire argument but... well there's where I stand.
Are you Vael with a new name? I don't understand why nobody listens to me. This kid was in a guild at 60 that required members to go out and find shemale porn to put on their applications as a sign that you could put up with their trolling. Stop taking him so seriously.
AwesoMegAmazing, on 05 June 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:
Animal lives aren't anywhere NEAR as important as human lives. Not even speaking as a Christian, but if you're an atheist who believes evolution, you should think the same thing. Survival of the fittest. We are the most superior beings on earth. We dominate other creatures. We look after our own kind.
But as a civilized race, humans shouldn't be mistreating animals for pleasure.
I just felt like it needed to be pointed out that you misunderstand evolution. We did not evolve from chimps/apes. We are not more "fit" than they are in an evolutionary sense. We are more fit than our ancestors that no longer exist, as are chimps/apes/what have you.
Hey guys, after regurgitating the same redundant counterpoint over and over, people stopped replying to me. HA HA! Fucking idiots. I guess that means I proved them wrong and I am right after all. Chalk up another internet debate victory for Fenorr!
Normal person: I think things should be done this way, or people should act in this manner.
Fenorr: I think the complete opposite and here's why.
NP: I don't agree with that at all. Here are a list of reasons.
F: I don't agree with that. Here's why.
NP: I still don't agree with you, but whatever, I've made my point. (And Kelustu went on to repeat his point/clarify it several times for you).
F: Done contributing to the thread? Done winning. I win now. Fenorr out.