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#4479782 Shadow BiS S17 thread

Posted Lolflay on 18 August 2015 - 08:52 PM

View Postojonttu, on 18 August 2015 - 07:22 PM, said:

Spriest on top EU ladder seem to be using Haste+multistrike weapons instead of crit mastery. Whats the reasoning behind this? Whats your opinion lolflay?

You can gear in three possible ways currently.

1st best : Mastery/Versatility ( most instant damage, most damage from MB/MS ( two damaging spells you use by far the most, excluding the dots ), survivability )

2nd best : Haste/Versatility ( gives you a bit faster casts and a shorter MB cooldown, survivability )

3rd best : Mastery/Haste ( don't bother, versa too good )

Right now, the only casted spell you really need to cast is Vampiric Touch. Like, that's LITERALLY the only casted spell you REALLY need to cast in arena when it comes to your actual "I'M GOING FOR A KILL" rotation. Mind Flay is channeled, therefore you get value out of it even if you need to stop and fakecast mid-cast, therefore it's not a huge priority. Mind Spike is good obviously.

So if the only casted spell you need to cast is Vampiric Touch, and the haste gained from going for haste yields miniscule cd reduction on Mind Blast, it ends up being a bit of bonus damage on SWP VT DP and Mind Flay. SWP VT and Mindflay are a minor part of your arena damage ( obviously doesn't mean it's an IGNORABLE part of your damage ). That leaves us with DP, which doesn't really need any boost in its damage.

On the other hand, Mind Blast is the huge majority of your damage in arena, so it makes sense to gear to make the two instant ( basically instant since MS procs like crazy ) spells hit harder. It also makes sense to gear for Versatility, because its value is really high when stacked, and outperforms stats like haste, crit, multistrike, etc.

Also, when you're going Mastery, in the case you're not being trained/interrupted, doing the PVE rotation without the dot weaving part ( so only doing Spike Spike Blast Spike Spike Blast etc ) is higher damage than having VT SWP, using MB on CD and channeling Mind Flay into the target as a filler.

In the playstyle where majority of your damage is instant, it makes zero point to gear haste for a lower MB CD ( was it a 0.2 sec reduction or something when I've tested it ? Something along those lines, and not to mention that it actually loses value if you're being CC'd in any way or form, because for it to be truly effective, you'd have to be able to use it on cooldown ), and it makes zero point to gear for an obsolete playstyle ( VT SWP Mindflaying Mindblasting as a filler inbetween Horror cooldowns ).

TL;DR - neither gearing style is wrong, but if you want to get the most juice out of your character, gear Mastery/Versatility.  If you're not being trained, and the enemies are presenting themselves to you ( a rarity ), whenever you're in the phase where you're between Horror cooldowns, off-dot the 2nd DPS and spam Blast on cooldown and Spikes otherwise into the 1st DPS for a higher effective damage than dotting that target as well and Mindflaying it; if you're being trained, you wouldn't get much value out of haste anyway, and this way your MB and instant MS hits way harder. ( if the DPS you want to Mindspike is in position of running away at any given time, it's better to dot it and Mindflay it )

I almost forgot to mention - if you plan on playing Shadowplay in any sort of form ( Shadowpriest/Affliction/healer ), Haste/Versatility is BY FAR the best setup combo to aim for, since you'll actually be casting 24/7 - you want DOTS up on all 3 targets, that's a significant GCD expenditure/20 sec. If you're playing Shatter, Mastery and Versa is the best.

Also, I noticed a familiar name pop up on the ladders some time ago : http://us.battle.net.../Talby/advanced

Mastery and Versatility are both equally good once Versatility reaches higher amounts of budget on gear ( IN TERMS OF DAMAGE ), therefore it becomes a preference at that point when it comes to enchanting ( more damage ? more survivability ? ), and the shoulder/pants dillemma in his case was him deciding he wanted to forego extra bit of stats that are actually useable ( haste on set pants as opposed to crit multistrike on shoulders ) in favor of more versa/mastery, but he's probably the best Shadowpriest to follow in terms of gearing if you don't want to be as anal and detailed as I am.

I've no idea how much time he spent figuring it out, but the same way that for Warlocks Wallirikz will be the best example of a properly figured out gear setup, Talbadar will be the best example for Shadowpriests ( if you already don't take my word for it ). That guy ALWAYS went for cheesy shit, I remember he had 15 different sets just for dueling alone.

#4486368 horde race

Posted Forumz on 26 August 2015 - 07:06 PM

View Postrelegladhero, on 26 August 2015 - 03:04 AM, said:

The difference is marginal, priests seem to value haste way higher than it actually is in pvp. For some reason that has been the case since wotlk, it's just some weird thing in the minds of people. I'm sure being ud or troll won't make more than 20 rating difference for you in the end
The more haste you get the more globals you will have ''left over'', which you can then use for offensive shit like smiting, purging, repositioning, etc. Also it makes it easier to react to ie. a Mage blinking into you for a polymorph.

All that, and fast globals are fun imo.

#4485030 Adding A Solo Queue--

Posted Fedx on 25 August 2015 - 04:17 PM

View PostZzx, on 25 August 2015 - 04:11 PM, said:

implying anyone will buy this seaons tabard unironically
Not everyone can rock the s15 tabard like you have been doing the last 3 seasons, you seem to be really proud of that one

#4484955 Adding A Solo Queue--

Posted Naraga on 25 August 2015 - 02:22 PM

Will be fun if it allows duo queue just like on the AT.

#4484937 Adding A Solo Queue--

Posted Metaclassx on 25 August 2015 - 01:50 PM

Made a post on this, and how it could be done with minimal (or even a positive) impact to the 3v3 Arena Population on the official forums. Would appreciate it if people gave it a read, contributed to the discussion (if you're unable to, I'm sure that some kind of discussion will appear here) and if you like the ideas give it a +1, a post and tweet it to the devs!


#4484898 Divine Aegis bugged in PvP

Posted Worstpriestjk on 25 August 2015 - 12:26 PM

wont be fixed anyway so why try

#4484808 Divine Aegis bugged in PvP

Posted relegladhero on 25 August 2015 - 10:17 AM

I tried

#4481544 Banwave

Posted Nicholaes92 on 21 August 2015 - 12:36 AM

They banning boosters now? What out every pvp wow streamer ever.

#4469069 The Next WoW Expansion: Legion and Major PvP Updates

Posted Varangian on 06 August 2015 - 10:41 PM

Exciting news to finally get talents tuned independently of PVE  I like that they addressed the negative effects of gear discrepancy between a new 'recruit' vs a fully geared character.   When you add the difference in experience and skill level on top it can be a straight up turn off for someone trying PVP out for the first time.  So hopefully we'll see more peeps taking a liking to arena and PVP in general as a result.

For anyone tired of waiting for shadow sight there's the Demonhunter.  Let's see how this plays out...

#4466456 Holy Fire/ SW:D Position Requirement

Posted Lolflay on 04 August 2015 - 06:30 PM

just return mind spike and SWD for disc, thanks

#4466486 Stop complaining about 15% healing debuff

Posted Lolflay on 04 August 2015 - 07:09 PM

I'll just say this : I've rolled a Shaman, and started healing 3v3 without experiencing healing pre-hotfix - it actually feels hilarious how easy I can keep people up against non-affli teams ( read : single target focus teams ), one riptide into unleash healing surge on a target with earth shield is like 60-80% heal rofl

So... quit your whining. Unless you're a mistweaver/disc. Then whine as hard as you fucking can.

#4465859 3 spell locks in a row ?

Posted Wallirik on 04 August 2015 - 12:23 AM

since they fixed the normal felhunter spell locking through pillars this happens with omnibar:
they try to CS while pet is out of LoS, the spell lock doesn't go off, but omnibar shows it going on cooldown even though it wasn't used.

for example when you got wind sheared on the tiger's peak platform, it also shows spell lock on cd, but I don't think the pet was in LoS of you.

#4464443 Holinka making sure cdew makes it

Posted Doge on 01 August 2015 - 07:07 PM

Cdews team used to be called the three amigos.
Holinka joined Blizzard in August of 2012 and this will mark his third year of being at blizzard.
Cdew has been to blizzcon 3 times.

Lets take a second to breathe here as this is a lot to take in.

Three amigos, working at blizzard for 3 years and going to blizzcon 3 times the number 3 occurs a lot.

Lets put these numbers together to get 333.

The number 333 is not very significant but if we double 333 we get 666.

We now have 666 which is known as the 'number of the beast'!!!!!!!

Holinka is the devil confirmed?

Will Cdew win Blizzcon this year?

Find out in the next episode of World of Ashran.

#4464440 Holinka making sure cdew makes it

Posted user_543622 on 01 August 2015 - 06:54 PM

View Postwatchmepwn, on 01 August 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

illuminati confirmed?
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#4464422 Holinka making sure cdew makes it

Posted watchmepwn on 01 August 2015 - 05:40 PM

illuminati confirmed?