What Blizzard fails to understand is that they had the winning formula as early as TBC. Not everything ( rogues/druids/locks being gods and rets/ferals/moonkins/etc being complete shit and unviable ), but the game's supporting systems definitely.
- there was relatively a handful of CC at disposal to each class
- there was a moderate amount of CC breaking abilities ( and in that world, WoTF was the stupidest thing in the game )
- numbers were actually pretty balanced ( without pve gear in the equation ). Warrior had no resources, but he could chew away at the target with no limits, mage had resources and could go oom, but in return was able to chunk huge amounts of health off somebody if he got the chance to
- healers could keep the target up without issues given that no mistakes were made, yes, but they had the limit to that ability - their pvp trinket cooldown, and the fact that they will eventually oom ( in 2s, both 2x DPS and 1DPS/1Healer teams had kill potential )
WoTLK added unhealable damage in most cases but some of the game models that were at power in TBC still worked ( you could still go OOM, etc ), and relatively the same game structure being intact was why WoTLK arena was also good, for the most part.
Combining TBC and WoTLK PvP models is their winning formula ( TBC was a diamond in the rough, while WoTLK featured more polished and responsive feeling for most of classes, resulting in a lot more specs being viable ), and if they did that correctly I'm sure many players would want to play again ( or for those still playing, would want to talk less shit of the game in public, and maybe the public opinion would go from "this game is shit" to "this game is worth playing again, the community isn't bitter as it used to be" ).
I edited my previous post but I decided I'll actually chime in.
Boosts are destructive to the game because they do not allow fresh players into the scene, as they'll get into a loser/paranoid mentality ( I won't improve because everyone else is just buying rating ; man that team we just lost to is buying rating ( can't be the case that they were just better than us, so I will quit improving ->>> this kind of thinking leads to arena population declining ) ; that guy is boosted, I won't play with him ).
Also, boosts directly take Gladiator spots that other players deserved more. Yes, they might be worse than the people who boosted a account to that Glad spot, but that does not mean they don't DESERVE it. A running argument throughout this thread is that it's exactly the same that the boost job occupying one slot on the ladder is same as the booster holding that spot with his alt. What alt ? "Umm, yeah, I haven't done any boosting this season, I'll just poof an alt out of thin air and hold this spot I would've held with the boost otherwise." Retarded really, I've seen many promising players quit just because they failed to get Gladiator by a few spots.
And just to counter any possible rebuttal directed in my way - at least I'm not hypocritical about it, even if I'm guilty. This thread basically boils down to a bunch of people thinking the community is shit, then taking a shit themselves in front of everybody to watch. While maintaining eye contact. A gaze even.
Right now it's divided in two sections. I feel this kind of layout would be more suited for the forum ( [xyz] means it's a parent section, under which the cooresponding forums fall ):
[ Junkie section ]
- General discussion ( used for pretty much everything it has always been used for, discussing patches,
- CLASS FORUMS ( moving this a section below really hurt the forum as a whole, at least to me )
-Priest,Mage,etc subforums under Class forums ( KEEP A STICKY FOR CLASS INSIDE EACH CLASS FORUM WITH ALL THE USEFUL INFORMATION OF CERTAIN CLASS INSIDE, UPDATED EACH MAJOR PATCH/SEASON, alongside with best gear/socketing/enchanting information inside, as well as most powerful spell rotations and general tips )
- COMPOSITION FORUM ( that's right, create a huge sticky thread inside for EACH _POPULAR_ combo that's active in that season and MAINTAIN it, by moderator team or otherwise, and archive it when a season ends/starts, EVEN if the said combo is still working ( like, RMP in S4 was much more different than S5 or S7 RMP, annotate it properly and close the old thread down, but still allow it to be viewed ) - and explain the differences compared to last season - CREATING THREADS IS DISABLED TO NORMAL MEMBERS, MODS AND ADMINS NEED TO CREATE A THREAD FOR EACH COMBO AND HEAVILY MODERATE IT )
- COMP questions ( a subforum that has each of the combos present in the main forum, except used for learning purposes by NON-JUNKIES )
- Suggest combo ( subforum in which junkies can suggest which combo will be placed inside main composition forum )
- QUEUE HANGOUT ROOM - used to talk while in queue, etc - each thread must contain [EU] or [US] in the title
- VIDEO FORUM
- RATED BATTLEGROUNDS
- Questions ( subforum )
[ Social section ]
- Rant room ( for general community hangout spot )
- Offtopic ( for other games and hobbies )
- Guild recruitment
- Site feedback
- Battlegroup forums ( for old times sake, I'm sure some of us either love to reminisce about past times, or there's still active posters in some of them )
Waiting room removed, ask a glad removed ( it's fucking useless since its inception anyway ), etc.
After something is done to the general availability of information, I say allow NON-JUNKIES to post in FOLLOWING places :
News, CLASS STICKY THREAD inside class forum ( so there's a Priest forum, junkies are creating threads and discussing within said forum, while non-junkies can ONLY post inside the sticky thread which has EVERYTHING explained about the class for the said season and ask input there ), COMP QUESTIONS ( read description in quote above ), VIDEO forum, Interface/Addons, and in rest of Social section.
Of course give clear indication who can post where, maybe by a image or a symbol next to each junkie-only forum/thread.
Trolling from BG forums infected the main board, mostly because of poor moderation. Shit, I remember Tyveris himself banning me twice in a row ( second one was a permaban that he lifted after a while ), because I was calling people idiots outside of BG forums. ( Powerslave claiming S6 warriors were balanced f.ex., or Affix whining all the fucking time about mages being underpowered, etc )
Those of you who are saying that this board was never for learning, but for "community", you're dead mistaken. I used to get shittons of private messages, some I've ignored because I cba'd answering, but most of which I'd answer, I'd see some improvement when I'd check their armory again. People complained that there was no place where they could get help before they recieved Junkie status, and some of them who had Junkie status didn't want to bother posting on the main board because they'd get "trolled by dicks", so even back in WoTLK board was not "ideal".
When I was progressing Yogg 0 lights and Algalon, I made a topic on elitistjerks asking something that I didn't find answered anywhere else, I get instabanned - their reasoning ? "Not much of a productive question, go figure it out yourself"
When a WoW PVP'r got confronted about the game before, he'd defend it. Now everyone goes "lolshitgame" even though they're still subbed and (semi)actively playing.
As for posters themselves, I don't know who the fuck most of them are ( except Brainretard who has a track record for being a absolute moron ), but just by judging the posts Regentlord made in this thread, it's clear that this is the type of person that brings zero contribution outside of shit content made for purely because he likes putting his name out there... for what purpose again, exactly ? It's not like he's helping himself.
The thing that makes or breaks this community is perception that the community has on itself, and moderators being better at doing their job. Also wtf is that US paladin doing on frontpage all the time ? Doesn't AJ staff actually care enough to have a staff team like they did before instead of letting the players control the content ?
@ Holypalaswe - RIP Likvidator, 2008.
Also, pvp videos were a hot thing, coming from noobies or from experienced pvpers. It was fun watching a well edited and handpicked arena/bg video from a 2100 warlock as much as it was great watching top notch play from somebody like Snutz. I've dropped here from time to time in hopes of seeing a cool pvp video or two, and hearing a good track or two that I've missed out on, to see that nobody bothers making PvP videos anymore. Also, what Nadagast said, you need newcomers, people who actually want to learn because he thinks the people at the top are cool and the game seems awesome, they don't want to read site full of shit. I actually want to play WoD, and I'd purchase a WoW account just to play it, it seems awesome being back to TBC ( well, sort of - both locationwise and number-wise, just with updated mechanics ), but why would me or someone else want to play a game that the players themselves call shit.
One is most played MMO on the market, other is most played MOBA on the market.
Granted, WoW went to shit - but League's still going strong and growing. God knows how many millions of people can't be wrong ( when it comes to a *normal* game choice ( aka farmville and alike idiots excluded ), we'll leave politics and other dumb shit out of this ).
To stay on topic, I "settled" for League. After I quit WoW I had a huge time gap that I didn't manage to fill with just about anything ( had a go at Bloodline Champions for a while until the lack of community killed the game for me ), so a friend introduced me to League. Found it quite boring for first few months, later just got the habit of playing it and that's how I got hooked to it. I still don't like the game completely but it's fun enough to keep me playing, if anything, from time to time ( which is something that can't be said for anything Blizzard made since WoTLK ).
Fear, Polymorph, Psychic Scream are three examples of well made CC. The first two require range, LoS and have a cast time, the third one, although instant and AoE, requires you to waddle over on top of someone.
Scatter + Trap on the other hand is a example of a poorly made CC. Ranged combo that only pretty much requires LoS ?
Tutorials, Guides, and all the knowledge of one of the most dominate paladin's World Of Warcraft ever knew.
Judging the way you named this thread and by the way you type, you seem to think you're kind of a big deal in a game where 90% of good players quit long before in whatever season you managed to snatch that red helmet with some cookie cutter comp in 5s.
I totally agree with flubbah, for me it is almost impossible to read any post in this forum, the people who knows about the game dont even care to post anything here cos 90% of the people who post are just 15 year old kids trying to look cool when no one cares or people with serious mental problems trying to teach other people when they are fucking 2k, plz give me mod and i will fucking crush all the retards together, i wont fucking leave any retard alive, i swear
Ah, a wild moron has appeared. I see time has been treating you well, you've made quite some new friends to keep your shady shit going strong.