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Posted Eldacar on 03 September 2012 - 01:00 AM
Eldacar's Guide to PVP Power & Resilience
Hello PVP'ers! For those of you that don't know me I go by Eldacar and I am a long time PVP'er and PVP Theorycrafter, as well as a member of Blizzard's forum MVP program. I write PVP focused guides and do everything I can to help the PVP community grow and prosper, which is why I wrote this PVP Stats Guide. You can find me on twitter as @EldacarJS and on the US Official Forums as Eldacar@Boulderfist. This guide goes into a lot of detail and gets into some complex stuff in a few places, if you have questions leave them in the comments and I will answer them as best I can.
** PATCH 5.4 CHANGES**
- The base damage reduction of Resilience was increased to 72%.
- The Resilience rating to damage reduction conversion formula was altered.
Summary & Key Points:
-Resilience has linear returns, +100 Resilience rating increases your effective health by 1.235% relative to displayed health.
-PVP Power has linear returns, +400 PVP Power gives you +1% damage or healing in PVP (before spec modifiers).
-The latest season's PVP gear is generally the best gear for instanced PVP, however in world PVP players with heroic raiding gear will have an advantage.
-PVP Power does not cancel out a target's Resilience but it will still help you hit them or heal them harder.
-It is generally ineffective to gem for PVP Power, gemming for primary stats is more effective in most cases.
-The PVP trinket set bonus offers roughly 8.25% effective damage reduction and will always increase your effective health by 32.11% of your displayed health.
Table of Contents:
Section 1 - Resilience
1A - The Exponential Returns of Damage Reduction
1B - The Diminishing Returns of Resilience Rating
1C - Baseline Damage Reduction
1D - Effective Health
1E - The Full Scale of Resilience
1F – Resilience on Items
Section 2 - PVP Power
2A - The Absolute vs Relative Returns of PVP Power
2B - PVP Power's Interaction with Resilience
Section 3 - Gemming for PVP
Section 4 - Closing Thoughts and Remarks
Section 5 - Appendix
Appendix A - Valuation and Frame of Reference
Appendix B - Formulas
Section 1 - Resilience
Everyone reading this likely already has at least a general understanding of how Resilience works; its fundamental purpose is to provide percentage based damage reduction against all damage done by players, the more Resilience you have the less damage you take. That is fairly straightforward and easy to understand; however understanding how the stat scales and all the factors at work is more complicated. There are three main factors that go into how Resilience scales, first is the exponential returns of percentage based damage reduction, second is the diminishing returns of Resilience rating, and third is the baseline 72% reduction that all players have in PVP.
Section 1A - The Exponential Returns of Damage Reduction
The effects of percentage based damage reduction scale exponentially, the more you have the more valuable additional damage reduction becomes. For example, let's say someone is hitting you for 100 damage, if you have 0% damage reduction and you add 1% that 100 damage is reduced to 99 damage, a 1% effective reduction. However if you already have 90% damage reduction and you add another 1% that 100 base damage which was already reduced to 10 is now further reduced to 9. That change in incoming damage from 10 to 9 is a 10% reduction in actual damage taken by adding just 1% of damage reduction.
Here is a graph that shows how the value of damage reduction increases as you gain more:
As you can see at 50% damage reduction additional reduction is worth twice as much as normal, at 90% its worth ten times as much as normal. This kind of scaling isn't unique to Resilience, armor and any other percentage based damage reduction (even in other games) function the same way. Games control the overall scaling of these mechanics by manipulating how fast you are awarded the damage reduction.
One additional note on this, in World of Warcraft different damage reduction mechanics have multiplicative relationships NOT additive, what that means is that the value scaling for any one of these mechanics is only accurate within that one mechanic. At 50% damage reduction from Resilience an extra 1% from Resilience is effectively worth 2%, however none of this has any bearing on the value of additional damage reduction from say armor, that scales totally independently but in a similar fashion. Because these defensive stats scale independently from each other and have a multiplicative relationship they can each be examined and valued independently.
Section 1B - The Diminishing Returns of Resilience Rating
For Resilience the main factor that counters the exponential scaling of percentage based damage reduction is the diminishing returns on Resilience rating. The more Resilience rating you have the less damage reduction is awarded by each additional point of rating, as shown in the graph below. This is how Blizzard controls the overall scaling of Resilience as a whole, and it is what they change when they want to alter the way Resilience scales.
As you can see in the graph, the amount of additional damage reduction provided by additional Resilience gradually declines as Resilience rating increases.
Section 1C - Baseline PVP Damage Reduction
Mists of Pandaria added a new factor to the way Resilience scales, the baseline PVP damage reduction that all players have which was increased from 65% to 72% in patch 5.4. What this has effectively done is significantly shrink the damage reduction gap between under geared players and fully geared players. This combined with the limited availability of Resilience on gear and through gems has significantly lessened the impact of resilience as a stat at level 90. The difference in damage reduction between a fresh level 90 and someone in the best possible pvp gear is now relatively small.
Section 1D - Effective Health
Effective Health (or EH) is perhaps the most critical metric for measuring survivability. Effective health is essentially how much pre-mitigated damage it takes to kill you. If you have 100k health and 0% damage reduction your effective health is just that same 100k. However if you have 100k health and 50% damage reduction your effective health is 200k, because someone would need to do the equivalent of 200k pre-mitigaged damage to kill you.
It is also important to note that more than just increasing the size of your effective health pool, damage reduction also increases the relative effectiveness of heals on you. With 50% damage reduction a 1k heal actually restores 2k of effective health. This is one of the reasons why increasing your effective health through damage reduction is better than increasing your effective health an equivalent amount through raw stamina.
Effective health is really the stat that best indicates the value you are getting from Resilience and it is the stat you need to be paying attention to when evaluating the survivability of your character. Effective health is displayed on the graphs below as a percentage relative to displayed health, an effective health (EH) value of 150% for a player with a 100k displayed health pool would mean that player has an effective health from just Resilience of 150k. When you factor in other effects like armor and damage reduction from talents your EH is higher but we are just looking at Resilience by itself here.
Looking at effective health over the full scale of resilience as shown below illustrates how the exponential returns of damage reduction and the diminishing returns of Resilience rating combine to cancel each other out and generate perfectly linear returns.
As you can see the effective health returns of resilience are perfectly linear, adding 100 Resilience rating will always increase your effective health by 1.235% relative to your displayed health.
Section 1E - The Full Scale of Resilience
This next graph brings it all together displaying both the scaling of damage reduction and effective health based on Resilience rating at level 90 in patch 5.4.
This graph should drive home once again that although the damage reduction you get from additional Resilience diminishes the more you get your effective health continues in a linear fashion anyway thanks to the increasing relative value of that damage reduction.
Section 1F - Resilience on Items
At this point you may be thinking "I want to get as much resilience as possible and become totally unkillable!" which sounds great, but unfortunately it is a bit impractical. Although there is no Resilience cap you are extremely limited in the amount of resilience you can get in game on current season items. Most fully geared players will have around 3375, which is what you get from the PVP trinket set bonus and the PVP meta gem. The lack of resilience on gear is not a big issue because currently a player with nothing but the baseline 72% reduction already has 357% effective health, which is more than most fully geared players had at the end of Cataclysm.
For those of you contemplating using a PVE trinket or two here are some facts to help you make your decision. The 2600 Resilience offered by the PVP trinket set bonus provides roughly 2.31% additional damage reduction from baseline, which is about 8.25% effective damage reduction after factoring in the value scaling. Furthermore the set bonus will always increase your effective health by 32.11% relative to displayed health, so if you are currently at baseline you would go from 357% EH to 389% EH.
Section 2 - PVP Power
PVP Power is a relatively new stat introduced to the game in Mists of Pandaria which acts as the offensive compliment to Resilience. The idea behind this new stat is to encourage players to use PVP gear in PVP by putting major PVP-only offensive gains onto PVP gear (or in the case of healers, healing gains). PVP Power increases all damage done to players (under all circumstances), and healing done (while outside PVE-instances), by a percentage that increases based on how much PVP Power rating you have. The amount of each bonus you get is also dependent on your class and spec.
-Healing specs receive 100% of the healing bonus but 0% of the damage bonus
-All other specs receive 100% of the damage bonus and a partial healing bonus depending on class.
-Damage specs for Druids, Monks, Paladins, Priests, and Shamans receive a 70% healing bonus.
-All other specializations and classes (including tanking) receive a 40% bonus to healing from PvP Power.
PVP Power is currently the primary differentiator between PVP gear and PVE gear. It is a "free" stat on PVP gear, meaning it is not factored into the item's stat budget. As a result when comparing PVP items to PVE items of the same item level all the general-purpose stats should be equivalent but the PVP gear will have PVP Power on it as well making it a better choice for PVP. This fact is particularly important due to the presence of item level limits in all instanced PVP. The item level limits change with each season, but their purpose is to limit the item level of PVE gear to be equal to or lower than the item level of the current season's PVP gear. These two factors together generally ensure that the current season's PVP gear is always the best gear for instanced PVP. However the item level limits do not function in the open world, so in world PVP a player in the latest heroic raiding gear will likely (and unfortunately) have a large gear advantage.
Section 2A - The Absolute vs Relative Returns of PVP Power
PVP Power's scaling is very straight forward; it has linear returns when looking at it in an absolute sense, adding 400 PVP Power will always give you another +1% damage or healing in PVP depending on your spec. So every additional point of PVP Power will increase your damage/healing by the same amount. However I have seen some players around the forums describing PVP Power as having diminishing returns, and they are correct to an extent.
If you evaluate the returns of PVP Power in a relative sense it does have diminishing returns, going from 0%-1% will give you the same absolute damage increase as going from 30-31%, but in the latter case that damage increase is smaller relative to the damage you are already doing. Virtually everything in the game operates the same way. Think about primary stats for example; +3000 strength would give a warrior a pretty nice bump in damage right now. However if Blizzard said "Hey we like you random warrior!" and bumped their strength up to 100,000 then that +3000 strength would suddenly be worth a lot less to them even though it would still increase their damage by the same amount. The reality is that in order for a stat to offer you consistent relative gains as you gear up the stat would need to have increasing absolute returns, in other words it would need to give you more and more damage or healing the more of it you got. (For more info on absolute vs relative valuation see Appendix A)
Now it is time to look at the actual scaling of PVP power, which is shown in the graph below.
As shown in this graph PVP Power's returns are perfectly linear. You gain either +1% damage or healing for every 400 PVP Power you have, this is also the “baseline” upon which the reduced healing bonuses for non-healing spec are based. The red line shows the healing bonus for hybrids (70% of baseline), and the yellow line shows the healing bonus for everyone else (40% of baseline).
Section 2B - PVP Power's Interaction with Resilience
The most common misconception that most players seem to have about PVP Power is that it acts as a kind of "Resilience Penetration" which counteracts the target's damage reduction 1 for 1, that is simply not true. PVP Power increases your damage by the percentage shown in your stat panel, it always increases it by that same amount regardless of how much damage reduction the target has. Your outgoing damage is calculated first, then the target's damage reduction mitigates that damage according to their stats.
Take for example a warrior who's swing always does 100 damage in PVE. This warrior gets a +50% damage increase from PVP Power in PVP, so that 100 damage get's increased to 150 damage in PVP. This warrior has now decided to attack a paladin that looked at him the wrong way. Lets say the paladin has +50% damage reduction; so when the warrior's 150 damage hits him it is reduced to down to 75. That is how PVP Power and Resilience interact, the outgoing damage is boosted up by PVP Power, then the total incoming damage is mitigated down by Resilience.
Section 3 - Gemming for PVP
One of the most popular questions I get is "What should I gem for?" Unfortunately I cannot provide a clear cut answer to that question. The answer is dependent on your gear level, class, spec, play style and more. My recommendation is to check how the pros of your class/spec are gemming, and then experiment to see what works best for your personal play style. However I will say that it is typically ineffective to gem PVP Power at level 90, gemming primary stats is generally more effective for damage or healing.
Choosing the best gem for survivability is significantly more complicated. Stamina gems will almost always provide you with more effective health, but Resilience gems don't lag too far behind in the effective health they add. Additionally Resilience gems scale up in value proportional to the amount of healing you receive because they increase the amount of effective health restored by that healing. For now I recommend gemming for resilience if you are looking to increase your survivability, but I will look at this topic in more depth in a future guide.
Section 4 - Closing Thoughts and Remarks
I hope that this guide has been illuminating for everyone that has taken the time to read it, I have tried to provide as much accurate and detailed information as possible about the way these stats work. If you have questions about these stats or about anything written here feel free to ask and I will do my best to get you an answer.
I error checked this guide many times however I am still human, so if you believe you see an error please let know and I will look into it. I also want to make it clear that although I am a member of Blizzard's Forum MVP program I am NOT a Blizzard employee and nothing in this guide is based on any kind of inside information. All the data in this guide was all generated based on direct in-game observation and calculations based on that observed data.
-This guide is written for level 90 players, the numbers are different at lower levels
-This guide just underwent a major update and revision, if you notice a typo please let me know!
-Some of the graph types from previous versions of the guide have been removed to reduce the complexity of the guide, but may return in the future.
Section 5 - Appendices
This is some additional information about some of the ideas, concepts, and data discussed in this guide. Additional appendices may be added over time as needed.
Appendix A - Valuation and Frame of Reference
Absolute valuation compares numbers based on addition and subtraction, IE going from 30% damage reduction to 60% damage reduction is an absolute gain of 30%. Relative valuation compares numbers using ratios, IE going from 30% damage reduction to 60% damage reduction is a relative gain of 100%. Why is this important? Because taking the example a step further, going from 60% to 90% is an absolute gain of 30%, exactly the same as before, but it is a relative gain of 50%, half as much as before. So if this trend were to continue, it would signify linear absolute returns but diminishing relative returns. This guide primarily uses absolute valuation because it is much easier to understand and work with when comparing a large number of data points to a common baseline.
Frame of reference is another critical concept for evaluating data, particularly when most of the data is in percentages. There are two basic methods that can be used to evaluate a string of data points; constant frame of reference, or progressive frame of reference. Constant frame of reference uses one common baseline value as a reference point, every data point is compared to that baseline. In contrast a progressive frame of reference compares each data point to the data point before it. Take for example this set of data points: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. On a graph using a constant frame of reference they would be displayed as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (all data points were compared to a baseline of 0). However on a graph using a progressive frame of reference they would be displayed as 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 (each data point was 1 larger than the number before it).
Using a constant frame of reference makes it much easier to evaluate the actual changes in the progression of a data set, where as using a relative frame of reference allows you to better evaluate changes in the rate of change over the progression of a data set. Since we are more interested in the actual changes than the rate of change when viewing the scaling of stats I chose to use a constant frame of reference for the graphs in this guide.
Appendix B - Formulas
The formula I use to calculate damage reduction from resilience in patch 5.4 is:
Reduction % = ((28900*0.72)+x)/(28900+x)
x represents resilience rating.
The formula I use to calculate damage increase from PVP is:
Damage increase % = x/400
x represents PVP Power rating
Posted Iwn on 05 April 2013 - 01:22 AM
Note: I am no multi gladiator, rank one or even considered to be one of the top shadow priests but I can give you an idea of how the class works and how I play it.
I took Vanguard's enhance guide as an example and used his formula for my guide. I saw a post on the forum here the other day about helping the community out, so I wanted to make this guide for new SPs and old ones returning. This might not be the best guide and you might not even agree with some of the things I say but I tried my best.
For shadow priests there are really no set of talents that gives you the best possible choice. It all depends on who you're facing and who you're playing with. I like to experiment a lot when it comes to talents but I will try go give you a simple guide on how to choose yours.
This is the standard cookie cutter level 15 talent. The talent itself is poorly designed and can in some cases be extremely useful, and in other cases extremely wasted. I like to take it vs. most comps unless we face some melee cleaves like TSG and Kitty Cleave.
Recommended: Void Tendrils
This is recommended to take vs a lot of melee cleaves. It's a good and reliable ability to have vs. melee cleaves training your team. (Note that it DRs with other roots)
In 5.1 this was a must have talent. But since the nerf in 5.2 priests have a more open choice when it comes to the level 30 talent. I personally go with Phantasm because the 5 seconds freedom can help land fears and etc.
Recommended: Angelic Feather
This is a useful talent when playing with a holy paladin. When he gives you freedom and you use this ability you gain a 60% speed increase for the duration. Extremely useful in some cases.
Recommended: Solace and Insanity
Commonly referred to as "Insanity" this new priest talent have proven itself to be extremely powerful vs. many teams. The raw damage output, often combined with Power Infusion, is enough to sometimes solo a healer in a blanket silence. Note that taking this requires you to be able to free cast for the duration. Maybe not the best choice vs. melee teams.
Recommended: From Darkness, Comes Light
You can't go wrong with this. Basically it gives you 40k+ Mind Spikes if you're lucky enough to have your Vampiric Touch providing you with a proc. Stacking up two procs, 3 orbs with dots on healer in a Deep Freeze or Silence is enough damage to force defensives from most healers if you're able to set it up right.
Can be useful vs some comps like melee teams training you. Provides you with sufficient mana regeneration, and gives a nice burst when getting trained. I like to use this vs. KFC training me because I don't have much time free casting and using Mindbender when going for the kill is a good option.
Highly recommended: Spectral Guise
Spectral Guise makes you invisible for 6 seconds or until you're mirror image is hit three times. Can be extremely useful vs. casters and for landing fears on healers. (Note that putting a shield on yourself before using this can help you stay stealthed longer when having dots on you)
Recommended: Angelic Bulwark
Getting trained by melee cleaves is always tough. Maybe extra tough for SPs as they don't have an ability like blink or teleport. Angelic Bulwark is useful vs. melee cleaves in my opinion. Being trained hard makes Spectral Guise almost useless and they hit your mirror image so fast you instantly get out of stealth. Angelic Bulwark may help you survive in some cases.
Highly recommended: Divine Insight
You get a chance whenever your Shadow Word: Pain deals damage to get a free, instant Mind Blast. In for example 3v3 where you put up three Shadow Word: Pain the procs won't be rare.
Recommended: Power Infusion
Provides an extreme burst combined with Insanity. Requires you to be able to free cast and is not recommended to take without the Insanity talent.
Recommended: Divine Star
Provides a nice heal but don't take it in your DPS rotation, you're better off dispelling something.
Can be extremely good in many cases. Setting up burst on a healer or healing a team mate inside a Smoke Bomb this ability can either save a life or take one. Standing at the max range (30 yards) with Trinket and CDs up it can heal for 200k and hit for 100k. Also good for killing Psyfiends etc.
As with the talents it all depends on what you're meeting.
Dark Binding - Extremely useful and saves you a lot of global CDs.
Fade - Nice vs. teams training you.
Inner Fire - Good vs. melee teams training you.
Mass Dispel - Really good for getting your healer out of CC and removing bubble and Ice Blocks. (Note this is changing is 5.3)
Prayer of Mending - Gives your PoM a nice buff.
Shadow Word: Death - Nice vs. mages to avoid getting Polymorphed.
Dispersion - Can be useful.
The choice is yours!
Gems - Enchants - Stats
Priorities for Stats:
6% Hit>Resil>PvP Power>Intellect>Haste>Crit>Mastery>Other
The big question, Mastery vs. Crit?
This ultimately goes down to if you want to top the leaderboards on damage or actually kill your target. Top SPs go for crit. Some might still go for mastery but crit can help you kill targets. I am going to quote Talbadar (arguably the best SP) on this one:
"Crit provides more burst damage when going for kills than Mastery does. I heard Mastery doesn't give extra proc benefits and possibly no mana (still unsure about this). All I care about is the kill, not just extra damage."
I agree with Talbadar on this one, but after some testing on dummy I found out that the extra dot ticks gives you extra mana. But in the end mana isn't how you win a game.
Meta - 216 Intellect and +3% Crit Damage
Red - 80 Intellect and 160 PvP Resilience
Yellow - 320 PvP Resilience
Blue - 160 PvP Power and 160 PvP resilience
Get 6% Hit for the cap (note spirit gives hit)
Reforge for off-stat. I personally recommend Haste>Crit>Mastery
Shoulders - 200 Intellect and 100 Crit
Back - 180 Intellect
Chest - 200 Resilience
Bracer - 180 Intellect
Gloves - 170 Haste
Legs - 285 Intellect and either 165 Crit or Spirit depending if you need hit or not.
Feet - Movement Speed and 140 Mastery
Main Hand - Jade Spirit
Off-hand - 165 Intellect
Main Hand / Off-hand vs. staff:
Staff gives you more crit/spirit but Main Hand / Off-hand provides more Intellect so I recommend getting that.
Blacksmithing is currently the best PvP profession, and teamed up with either Jewelcrafting or Enchanting they provide some nice buffs to your stats.
What is your PvP rotation?
I personally get my dots up rolling first. Then I try to get of Mind Blasts as soon as they're ready for these good Shadow Orbs and if I have nothing to do I spam dispel kill target and healer.
When I'm going for the kill I usually have 3 orbs before I dot up the target, (Halo), Mind Blast, three orb Devouring Plague and if I have Insanity I Mind Flay.
Macros and Keybindings
These are personal macros and keybindings as you may copy and use if you want to. Note you do not need these macros or keybindings to perform well, althought I can't play without them! I recommend having your own keybindings.
For party macros I hate using Party1 and Party2 and they always seem to change.
I target my healer with CTRL-Mousewheeldown and DPS with CTRL-Mousewheelup
S - Power Word: Shield team mates
/cast [nomod, target=teammate1] Power Word: Shield
/cast [mod:shift, target=teammate2] Power Word: Shield
Shift-V and Ctrl-V - Lifegrip team mates
/cast [target=teammate1 or 2] Leap of Faith
I target arena1,2,3 with scroll up, middlemouse and scroll down.
/cast [target=focus] Silence
Focus Psychic Horror
/cast [target=focus] Psychic Horror
Spam-able Mass Dispel
/cast !Mass Dispel
Spam-able Shadow Form
Spam-able Mind Flay
/cast [nochanneling] Mind Flay
Power Infusion Burst Macro
/cast Power Infusion
/use 13 (or 14 depending on where you got your dps trinket)
/cast [target=focus] Dispel Magic
What PvP Gear Should I Get?
You can of course perform well with any gear but I recommend following a top SP and see how he gears up his character.
Some armories of Top SPs.
And for reference, mine: http://eu.battle.net...eyzlol/advanced
Shadow PvP Streams
There aren't many Top SPs streaming. Some do, but only occasionally.
http://twitch.tv/talbadar - Overlord Talbadar's stream.
http://twitch.tv/chromix - Chromix's stream.
http://twitch.tv/khryl - Khryl's stream.
Thanks for reading through the post. I hope this helped you out if you needed help. If you have any other questions feel free to post in the comments and I will try to give a good answer. I'm sure other SPs will also contribute to providing answers.
If you feel I have failed miserably on this guide please give me a constructive reply and how I can change it to make it better.
By Neyzlol - Sylvanas
Posted Saikx on 14 March 2013 - 10:29 AM
Posted Dkaioshin on 27 September 2011 - 06:11 AM
I have fun playing wow!: Grats, you should be playing.
I have no fun playing wow!: Stop playing.
Tired of 500 threads about the same thing, quit if you aren't having fun.
And when you quit don't be one of those jackasses that still posts here in every thread, place is bad enough as it is.