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Posted Nokilolz on 20 September 2013 - 06:06 PM
Posted noliferqtxd on 15 April 2013 - 10:18 AM
Nóliferqt. Frost Mage Guide for 5.2 MoP
Hello, I have been getting huge amount of ingame whispers to make a guide, I do not see myself as a top player I just want to give something back to the community. This might only be helpful for a few people but I remember when I just started doing pvp and being hungry for info/guides etc. and how thankful I was for decent-top players writing informative guides so here goes.
For the first tier I play PoM against every comp, even after the nerf in 5.2 to PoM + RoF it is still really useful, and in my opinion better than Blazing Speed against most setups. I still play it with RoF because of Alter time, for the PoM + Alter time - Polymorph on the healer - Alter time back - and RoF dps, Stampede or w/e. Even against Thugcleaves, PHD's, and other melee cleaves that train me I play PoM because you can get some momentum by yourself by getting the instant cc on the healer and RoF'ing yourself.
Second tier: Flameglow. I use it against almost every team, it makes you almost unkillable against UA Warlocks and Boomkins and it's way better than Ice Barrier just because alot of classes can dispell it and people do it so it most of the time just gets wasted. If you play with a Resto Druid or a Disc Priest Ice Barrier is definetly an option because of all the HoTs/Grace stacks it makes it rather hard to dispel it.
Third tier: Ring of Frost, still an amazing ability together with PoM even after the nerf. Frostjaw is pretty good too, though I have not played with it I have faced Mages who did and done well with it.
Fourth tier: Cold Snap is an obvious choice here, heals you for 30 % of your hp can be used in any cc, stun and even inside your current block. And resets CD of CoC, Frost Nova, and Ice Block.
Fifth tier: Most important and most controversial tier, Nether Tempest or Frost bomb? I take Nether tempest for most comps I believe it's a must-have in comps like MLS and Boomkin Mage Disc where you try to do as much dmg as possible, I play it every game as RMP/Shatreeplay except against PHD's/ KFC's/other heavy melee comps that train my Priest I play Frost Bomb just because if you're left alone with Frost Bomb you can easily 100-0 a target with a blanket CS on the healer. The general way you wanna do it with Frost Bomb is to Polymorph a target to force a dispel and then Frost Bomb your kill target and go for burst without them having a dispel and allowing you to time a Frostbolt + Ice Lance shatter as the Frost Bomb explodes.
Sixth tier: Incanter's Ward is the obvious choice for PvP. I see alot of Mages completely waste this talent and just pop it randomly as if it was just an absorb. But I don't think people fully utilize this ability, it's a 30 % dmg buff that you can get very easily every time you want to swap. It's a MASSIVE damage buff and the passive of this ability is ridiculous aswell 6 % passive dmg increase + 65 % mana regen increase when it's not on cooldown + when it gets broken you get 18 % of your mana. I usually pop this before I do a hard as RMP or any comp really. I use it if there is alot of people bunched up and I can Frozen Orb them all. Remember, MoP playstyle is all about doing the most dmg, the more dmg you can pump out as a Mage the more succesful you are going to be, I can guarentee you that. So utilizing your spells the best you can, will increase your dmg and you will do way better in arena.
I play with Glyph of Ice Lance. Glyph of Polymorph. Glyph of Armors.
I play without Glyph of Ice Lance as RMP I usually play Glyph of Evocation instead. I would like to point out Glyph of Remove Curse, I don't see alot of Mage's using this glyph. It's absolutely insane against Warlock teams, it gives you a 10 % dmg buff for 10 seconds every time you dispell a curse, so basicly against a Warlock team you could in theory have 100 % uptime on this buff since your Decurse is only on a 8 sec CD and the Buff lasts for 10 secs.
Counterspell Arena 1-2-3
I think CS 1-3 is a must-have as a Mage, you can CS Mage openers with it out of Invis. You can CS Night Elf healers out of Shadowmeld when they are in high pressure situations and just need to get a Shadowmeld heal off and this can easily win you games. + Counterspelling crucial CC's or high burst casts without having to waste time swapping your Focus or Target.
/cast [target=arena1] Counterspell
/cast [target=arena2] Counterspell
/cast [target=arena3] Counterspell
Just like you expect your healer to dispel your CC quickly when you are going for kills, the same goes for your healer/partner when they are in a high pressure situation or going for kills and they get hexed it can easily lose you games if you are too slow with decursing your partners. And spam decursing yourself from Curse of Agony's and Doom's when you've got spare globals helps your healer out a ton!
/cast [target=nóliferqt] remove curse
Target and Focus Arena 1-2-3
Target and Focus Arena 1-2-3 is a must-have especially as a Mage as you'll be having to swap focus/target alot when you're going for double CC and depending on if you're going offensive or defensive you'll be swapping focus between healer and the dps for spam Polymorphs or Counterspelling the healer.
Frostbolt macro with pet attack
Focus Polymorph macro with petpassive
/cast [target=focus] Polymorph
Stopcasting Focus CS Macro.
/cast [target=focus] Counterspell
Focus Deep Freeze
/cast [target=focus] Deep Freeze
Pet Nova macro
/cast [pet] !Freeze
/cast [nopet] summon Water Elemental
Focus spellsteal and /cancelaura Pyroblast
/cast [target=focus] Spellsteal
Spellsteal with cancelaura Pyroblast
Comps that you can play as a Mage and how I think they should be played
UA Lock, Frost Mage, Resto Shaman, as MLS I like to go full intellect and just spam damage, with instant CC on healers and coordinating Deep Freeze> into Fears with my Warlock. I rarely ever go for Polymorphs I just spam dmg, deep into fear and a Counterspell out of it.
Boomkin Mage Disc, this comp is a healer killer generally you want to PvE and just wait for Solar Beam and Frozen Orb and cyclone one dps fear the other and deep beam the healer with a RoF around and Frozen orb and just pump out as much dmg as you can. This comp struggles against Resto Druid teams though, but I found that you can easily kill resto druids with this comp if you make a good deep beam swap with no hots they can easily die through Barkskin.
Shatreeplay/Spriest Mage Resto Druid/Resto Shaman, this comp is the best Mage comp at the moment. You can pretty much win every team as Shatreeplay you generally want to wait for your priest to have 3 orbs and a silence and you Deep Freeze Frozen Orb a target with 3x orbs and silence the healer with a Cyclone or a fear on the third. Against most Resto Shaman teams you want to make swaps to the Shaman the same way, even if they have got trinket and cooldowns they can die anyway. Deeping with 3 orbs and a Frozen Orb they'll have to trinket, you can silence of that into a dr'ed counterspell and kill them in it.
Elemental Shaman Mage Disc, one of my favourite comps this expansion the amount of burst this comp has got is absolutely insane. You can pretty much 100-0 a target in a single Deep Freeze with a blanket or NS hex on the healer, if you clean the target beforehand. If you can sync up damage with your Elemental Shaman this comp can win anything. Even though your Elemental Shaman doesnt have that many defensives and is very trainable it leaves you (the Mage) alone to do whatever you want, you can setup double CC by yourself and allowing your Elemental Shaman to cast a bit can easily get you kills in Deep Freezes.
For gemming and gearing, here is a link to my armory:
I would have explained how I use every ability but I simply don't have the time at the moment. If I do make another guide later on, I will include that for sure. But if you would like to know, you should head over to Xandyn's Cataclysm guide it's outdated for most spells but I think it's an amazing guide even though it's from Cataclysm, you can learn a bunch about how to use your spells the correct way. As I said I don't see myself as a top Mage and I'm just doing this to give something back and help some people that aren't sure which way to go as far as talents, glyphs and general playstyles as some comps.
Posted Nokilolz on 16 June 2013 - 08:43 PM
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Posted Jontex on 11 May 2013 - 08:32 PM
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Posted noliferqtxd on 17 April 2013 - 04:42 PM
Posted Snuggli on 26 February 2013 - 06:31 PM
Posted Jontex on 16 April 2013 - 09:48 PM
My name is Jonathan but most people know me ingame as Jonte, I’ve been playing elemental shaman since s10 as my mainspec. Ive played almost every composition a shaman can play at a glad (2480+) level since S11. I get questions almost daily about the class, what glyphs do you use, why do you reforge like you do, what’s the best talents to use and a bunch of other things. I choose to write this guide to give something back to the community. I’m sorry for flaws in grammar that may occur, english is not my main language, enjoy!
After the recent buff to Nature’s Guardian in 5.2 this is the talent you will want to be using vs almost everything, it’s a lifesaver in most situations.
This is very situational, I use Earthgrab Totem a lot vs setups such as Thugcleave, Kfc and PHDisc, rooting a melee of yourself or your teammates can be fatal.
Windwalk totem is an amazing ability and it works wonders when you play with healers without a freedom, I use this vs teams such as Godcomp, RMP, MLS and ANY balance druid team, getting a freedom totem up when your healer is in a vortex beam is huge.
It’s very rare that I catch myself using Frozen Power, however I can imagine it being really good when you play with a balance druid for getting those extra 5 sec instant root beams!
This is situational aswell, I often decide between Totemic Restoration and Totemic Projection, however I dont think I have used Call of the Elements once this season.
A good example of when to use Totemic Restoration is when you face a melee team with a disc healer, you will most likely be trained most parts of the game and their priest will play offensive and push in for fears, keeping your healer out of cc is your #1 priority as an elemental shaman.
Totemic Projection is the talent I use the most, it changes the way you use your Capacitor Totem, and moving your tremor totems, healing tides and windwalk totems to help your teammates who are far away from you is very good. Totemic Projection is exceptional vs most druid teams, using your Capacitor Totem as a cc for healers or stunning a feral off you with a hex on their healers.
Ancestral Swiftness, this is the talent I use almost every game in 3v3, getting hexes or elemental blast casts off can be very hard when you get tunneled, using this for instant hexes on a dps or a healer is very important. Here’s an example: you face a Thugcleave and they make a heavy swap to your healer, you use your capacitor totem on the rogue to stop him from locking down your healer, he trinkets it with 4 sec of shadow dance left, you use ancestral swiftness to instantly hex him, if you cast a hex in normal speed he has time to react and use cloak of shadows to immune the cast. Don’t forget this ability also gives you a 5% haste buff that stacks with Elemental Oath.
Elemental Mastery, I personally don’t like this ability too much but I know other shamans who play with this and do very well, I would say it’s on par with Ancestral Swiftness, it all comes down to your playstyle and what you are most comfortable with.
Echo of the Elements, I wouldn’t recommend this to anyone, it has about a 6% chance to proc if I remember correct and I just don’t want to play a game and rely too much on RNG to win.
Healing Tide Totem, this is the obvious choice for any setup vs any setup, its a good reliable defensive cd and I don’t recommend anything else!
Elemental Blast, this is also an obvious choice, will get more on how to use this to its full potential later.
The set of glyphs you use as elemental changes a lot depending on what comp you play and what you face. However these are the three ones I use by default before I enter arena.
Glyph of Ghost Wolf, I like this because it gives us better mobility, some shamans use the Glyph of Unleashed Lightning instead, it always comes down to personal preference.
Glyph of Capacitor Totem, this is pretty much a no-brainer, you should always have this as a major glyph!
Glyph of Shamanistic Rage, this is one of our only defensive spells, you should always glyph this vs teams that can stun you with magic spells, Deep Freeze, Fist of Justice. This glyph does not work to break fears, polymorphs etc. If you face a team with only physical stuns and abilities I recommend using Glyph of Hex or Glyph of Totemic Vigor.
Most minor glyphs are unimportant for arena, however Glyph of Totemic Encirclement is good for confusing your enemies when they try to kill your Healing Stream Totems etc.
Red: 80 int / 160 resilience
Yellow: 320 resilience
Blue: 160 pvp power / 160 pvp resilience
Meta: 216 int / 3% increased critical effect
BS Socket: 320 pvp resilience
Basically there are two “main” ways on what kind of stats you go for as elemental, one mastery build and two haste builds. The priorities look something like this.
Haste 1: 6% Hit - Haste - Mastery - Crit.
Haste 2: 6% Hit - Haste - Crit - Mastery.
I prefer the Haste - Crit build myself, to me it feels more important to get crits on my heals or with Elemental Blast into Fulmination combos, mastery feels too RNG for me and I just don’t enjoy the playstyle, but as in many other cases it comes down to personal preference.
Mastery: 6% Hit - Mastery - Haste - Crit
This build is all about damage, It has to be played using the Elemental Mastery talent to be used to its full potential. I would recommend this build in comps such as, LSD, Ele/Fire/Healer and Ele / Healer / Rogue.
Instead of listing all the enchants and their benefits I will link you to my armory:
What Comps to play as Elemental and how to play them
LSD: This comp has a lot of spread pressure, okay burst and a lot of cc and control. As the elemental of this comp your main priority is keeping you druid out of cc and alive. Try to save tremor for your healer, stop incoming cc on to the druid with grounding totems and wind shears. This comp is all about constant pressure, when your druid is not ccd you can play offensive and push in for cc and damage on their healers. Most of your kills will be in Capacitor Totem stuns and cross cc, don’t forget that your druid can give you symbiosis and give you a beam that works wonders together with Earthgrab Totem!
Thundercleave: Purge, purge and purge. Your warrior is the source of constant damage in this comp, keep his targets clean of buffs and apply big burst damage together with your warrior when you get cc on healers, for this comp using capacitor stun totem as a cc on healers is very important rather than using it on the dps you are killing.
Ele/Mage/Healer: This is my favourite comp and it’s also probably the best comp for elemental, you have incredible burst, good peels and a lot of cc. Almost all of your kills will be with a Deep Freeze on the target you are killing and blanket cs / poly / fear / hex on the healer. When you go for kills on healers make sure to have cc on the dps so that your burst does not get stopped, triple fearing the team and deeping the healer is a really good strat which works vs most teams. When you play this comp every Deep Freeze has to count, also make sure that you do not overlap the cc you and your mage have since Hex and Polymorph is on the same DR.
Ele/Disc/Rogue: Personally I have barely played this comp much but it’s main strengths are huge burst from the elemental shaman and great control from the rogue. The rogue in your team will be setting up most of the kills and you are basically there to keep your priest out of cc to give your rogue uptime aswell as doing big bursts in kidney shots, smoke bombs etc. I would recommend playing Elemental Mastery in this setup.
Macros & Keybindings
Keybindings are all about personal preference, however I strongly recommend to bind your spells that you use often or spells that needs to be used “fast” to keys that are easy for you to “reach”, here’s some of my keybindings as an example.
Tremor Totem: Bound to “§” just left of “1”.
Elemental Blast: Bound to “Q”.
Earthshock: Bound to “E”.
Ghostwolf: Bound to “R”.
Macros: I have a lot of “small” macros so I’m just gonna list those I find most essential.
/use Malevolent Gladiator's Badge of Dominance
/cast Elemental Mastery
Wind Shear Arena 1-2-3:
/cast [target=arena1] Wind Shear
(Replace [target=arena(1)] with 2 and 3 for different macros)
Wind Shear Focus:
/cast [target=focus] Wind Shear
/cast [target=focus] Purge
/cast Tremor Totem
/cast Grounding Totem
Tips & Tricks
Before you go for a big swap with ascendance, let them lock your fire school, when you use ascendance the lock will go away and they have wasted their interrupt.
You can ground the Frost Bomb explosion damage on on anyone in your team, just put grounding up right before it explodes.
The perfect burst is executed like this:
FS on target, cast LvB for Clearcasting, wait for Lava Surge proc, put stormlash totem down, use Unleash Elements and cast Elemental blast, blow the LvB procc and use 7 stack Fulmination Earth Shock. FS-LvB-EB-LvB-Es ( with stormlash totem and on-use trinket ).
If possible, use Elemental Blast before you go ascendance for the chance of extra mastery / haste on your Lava Burst spam.
Here's a link to my stream aswell, I don't stream as much as I would like to but I have vods of pretty much all the comps listed above etc, check it out if you feel like it:
Posted Jontex on 10 February 2013 - 06:00 PM