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Onydzx

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#4001743 Rsham 3's Melee Cleaves/RMP Trouble Questions

Posted Votlol on 28 November 2013 - 07:51 PM

Most shamans have the same problem vs cleaves, I don't know of any still active ones who really impressively last vs good cleaves training them down. Tsg is a hell of a lot easier to live as an rsham than a kitty cleave. TSG lets you actually use earth grab, but you have to still play pretty well in every way in order to barely survive, but it's possible to do so consistently. Don't think of it as kiting though, you are not trying to avoid damage, you should be trying to avoid interrupts. When you earthgrab the two full (no dispell or intervene) do not try to run across the map, just move far enough away to where they can't interrupt you (be mindful of disrupting shout's range, the length of the root [do not go so far where they can charge you or just take 1 step forward and kick you]), maybe run a little bit if you are sure that you can get into a position to top yourself, if you're low HP then that means enough time to cast 2-4 healing surges, usually via LOS behind a pillar or wall in order to avoid charge or grip.
CD usage vs the cleaves pretty much should be played by ear. Spend time juking, (don't juke too much play the kick/fake mind game well, it can get you free casts and if you're very smart you can force them to waste interrupts together quite often, like barely out ranging them or barely out of LOS and you know they can get to you before the cast goes of but you're sort of fine, juke as soon as they in range, etc) and get casts off during cc your team provides (roots, shockwave, fear, deep, etc) Try to healing tide large burst during cc, or maybe link the cc (healing tide ticking or link ticking during a shockwave or asphyxiate for example). Remember that you can not live forever no matter what, and so sometimes you need to play offensively (hexing / purging / shearing a healer) to help land the kill, but be careful with your decision making here, obviously. The best defense is often a great offense.
For cap totem I like to use it at times where the player has to either kill it and lose crucial uptime, or eat a stun... Like if a warrior is about to charge (it's barely off cd, maybe i just got a freedom away, idk) i will maybe drop a cap and time it so that they can either hit the cap then charge me, maybe giving me time to get a heal off, hex, or LOS, or they can charge me and get capped followed by spam heals on myself or a full hex out of the cap.
It is often that you have to blow all your cd's really fast vs cleaves, healing tide asendance ns auramastery even all at once. You shouldn't really have to blow all that + trinket or link though, and if you use gate properly it will be enough to top yourself once every time you take it (cc the team with earthgrab or other cc's while you gate + have good positioning of it).
For those pesky teams that spam kill totems, try dropping searing totem once in a while maybe while you cap totem / healing stream, sometimes it actually helps to confuse them and let you get free casts off once in a while.

Vs rogue mage you are a shaman so control the mage while you can, and have a good offense = mess up their opener, and punish it quick. Purges, shears, good hex's with cross cc if there are 2 decurses. sometimes hex just to stop casts etc, try to hex on a deep maybe, it's all situational.

Rogue mage isn't as reliant on deep as other comps, generally the cheap shotted or kidney'd person is the one who dies and the deep is for cross cc, so keep that in mind.

Obviously use healing stream totem, try to drop it in good places where it won't be killed, stand in good positions so that your team can help you or you can gate / los properly. Try to drop a cap at a nice time as well (healing stream / cap totems right before you get stunned or opened on can be very effective).

Earthgrab vs windwalk is pretty meh vs rmx because the freedom is so nice vs mage offensively (like i said you need to pressure fast because it can force them defensive the entire game, swap healer quickly and let your shaman control the mage while he tries to peel with maybe a fear on rogue) and windwalk can negate pet novas as well as let you escape from the rogue more effectively than a warrior due to no berserker rage for your lock's cc, and the fact that a rogue can't just chase you all day without the risk of ever dieing like a warrior can these days.
I still like earthgrab sometimes though, vs rmx, because it can help avoid fears vs a holy priest (keep eg between you and the priest so the chastise -> spectral -> fear can get negated by rooting them mid route) and because it can be great cc for the mage and rogue both, and allow you to cast without the rogue on you.
If the rogue just trains you mindnumbing + not getting juked can pretty much force all your cds / kill you eventually so punish well.

Always watch your NG vs both comps, being able to save it for a good time is pretty nice, don't let your ng proc then get stunned afterwards, because that will either force a trinket + more cd's or hurt very badly. Remember that 90% of the time if you're getting hit, trinket isn't enough. You need to use trinket to do something else usually, like healing tide or link, so beware of that (it's a lot different than it used to be).

Just remember that one of the weaknesses of a shaman is that you don't make the plays, really, you just react to everything. All you can do to help your team to win is make the best of every situation, and by that I mean if the enemy team plays great while training you there isn't much you can do. For example tsg can just dispel your aura mastery, interrupt you nonstop between their 3 kicks +1 if they have a shaman, and all of their stuns + charge and grip, they can kil all your totems (earth grab, cap, healing stream, windwalk), they can dispel your ghostwolf, out damage your heals if you could free cast, have 100% uptime between gap closers, ams, intervene, charge, lichborne, etc. So don't get too discouraged if / when you lose to that stuff, it's just the state of the game.

Btw, kittycleave is even harder, especially if you aren't dwarf; the way I like to play it is try to juke the feral all the time (juke the maims, typhoon, skull bash, etc [remember if you have a lil distance on the feral they are a lot more easily juked because they get an opportunity to use the skull bash as a kick and gap closer and try to take it) and i try to use earthgrab or windwalk, gateway, and stuns and what not to let me get casts off while avoiding the warrior's uptime on me. I like to have my lock fear maybe during stuns and stuff, or cd's (on the feral mostly, of course), but try and save it for opportune moments where the warrior is stuck away and the feral has interrupts ready, so i can get free casts. Try and coordinate with half fears on the warrior and what not to get casts off the best you can, and try to get juicy cap totems off as well, especially if your warrior isn't playing with shockwave (often you can cap totem, and call of the elements cap again and they won't kill it SHHH xp). Stop the hardcasted clones too, since it's about all you are good for, lol, with your grounding / shear of course.

Well I covered a lot here, I was bored so nbd. Hope I answered your question with something that you can use, gl.


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