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Posted Kettu on 07 December 2013 - 04:52 PM
oh and im fucking arab, my dad is basically right under the ambassador im pretty sure he makes more money than your european fucked up teeth having parents.
Posted GrieverZ on 05 December 2013 - 06:45 PM
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Posted Admoney on 04 December 2013 - 05:16 PM
Some people are unaware of the complete douchebaggery and sketchy shit all these nerds do to get Glad/R1 each season. Ties, trades, DDoS, dodging, queueing at 5am, bug abuse, hacking accounts, disbanding teams, kicking people off teams, sitting R1 since 1st week of season... The list is endless. The completely pathetic nature of these people who try so hard for titles knows no bounds!
Posted Infernion on 02 December 2013 - 11:12 PM
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Posted Kettu on 29 November 2013 - 04:34 PM
I'm not surprised my opinion on the interwebz is not valid, just figured arenajunkies would be the place for constructive criticism
Your opinion is valid as an opinion - but as "constructive criticism" it's total nonsense. All of the clips were frapsed during live pvp, and every disengage presented in the movie is so simple any 1500+ hunter could do them without ever failing. Hence your claim of "trial and error" is seen as total bullshit to anyone who's ever played a hunter.
You are also indirectly claiming that the best RBG hunter in the world does errors, which is very insulting : s
Glad you stopped posting & good luck with your 1100mmr 1v2's
Posted sarma on 29 November 2013 - 02:38 AM
Free glad for anyone with half a brain isnt that bad. If someone as bad as gannadorie and joefernandes can have glads and r1s why all those lifetime frustrated duelists cant have same title as well?
Posted Votlol on 29 November 2013 - 11:11 AM
I've been playing resto shaman since season 11, giving me plenty of time to explore almost every composition imaginable for a resto shaman. Over this chunk of time, I have managed to progress through the ladders and gain a lot of experience and knowledge along the way. I was really bored, so I decided to try and put together something like a guide for resto shamans out there of hopefully a wide variety of playing levels. I have a lot of fun discussing mechanics and strategies that have to do with the game, and it's cool to help some people out with advice or some other kind of helpful information. I'm going to make an effort to answer a lot of the common questions I've received in regards to playing resto shaman pretty thoroughly, and I hope to spark somewhat of a discussion about resto shaman where new questions may arise and receive attention.
This is the typical talent tree for a resto shaman, and while you can probably take this set up and use it with and against almost any composition, I am going to take the time to discuss the pros and cons of all the options.
Tier 1 (level 15):
Nature's Guardian is one of the strongest abilities to a resto shaman. One of the biggest weaknesses a shaman has is the lack of options when caught in a stun or silence, and that's where Nature's Guardian comes in. It has a 30 second cool down, and it essentially heals you for 25% of your maximum health (this counts all buffs). While NG is up, it increases your maximum health by 25%, and heals you for this same amount. Once the buff falls off, you lose the extra maximum health, but you do not lose the amount that it healed you. Knowing when NG is going to proc can save you other cool downs, mana, or allow you to use other abilities to prevent NG from procing before you get stunned or silenced, which would be when you need it to proc.
Remember that maximum health includes things like rally, stam buff, and ancestral vigor. If it is optimal, you could get a rally before NG procs, so that it will heal for an extra amount as well as increase your health pool even more.
Stone Bulwark Totem is nice for those situations where you will take a lot of consistent damage, especially if there is going to be a lack of stuns and other CC to keep you from having up-time while an enemy team is attacking you. It has a pretty long cool down, the absorb is dispellable, and obviously the totem is killable. It costs you an earth totem slot, which could mean your earthbind/grab or tremor, and if you come into a situation where you need one of those totems down immediately, it could cause you to have to replace your stone bulwark for them.
Astral Shift can be used while silenced, which is probably the strongest quality of this talent. It is nice if you are going to take most of the damage in a small interval, but its cool down is the longest in this tier.
Tier 2 (level 30):
Frozen Power becomes extremely effective when coordinated with a mage teammate, especially a fire mage (due to their lack of frost nova abilities and reliance on them). It can be more effective than earth grab for gaining distance from enemies, as you can use it much more often, but it is plenty mana inefficient, so be careful in situations where mana is an issue when using this talent. Bear in mind that using earth bind can aid in making this a talent for endless kiting in some situations.
Earth Grab Totem is one of my personal favorite talents. I find it effective for the obvious, helping to get a melee cleave off of you, but also in allowing for more globals and helping to manipulate enemies into cap totems (hex -> earth grab + cap totem). Remember that after the root, earth grab slows the enemy as much as earth bind would, so it is far from useless after its root effect.
Windwalk Totem is the most common choice in this tier. It is essentially an area of effect freedom. It's really nice vs mage comps, for obvious offensive reasoning, but also defensively by negating nova effects which mages often rely heavily on in order to burst. One effective strategy is to try and windwalk before a water elemental's frost nova, as it will immune the nova, but also keep the mage from getting any fingers of frost procs(another essential tool in the frost mage's burst damage kit) from the spell.
Tier 3 (level 45):
Call of the Elements is the only talent in the third third tier that really buffs your healing. On top of that, it also provides a good chunk of utility. Using CoTE to summon healing stream can help out a lot when your team is under a lot of pressure, or it can be used to summon any of the other short cool down totem spells, including windwalk, earth grab, tremor, grounding, earth bind, and capacitor. An important detail to remember is that if you get full locked out by an interrupt spell, you will still be able to cast CoTE, and after doing so, you are able to summon the affected totems, including healing stream, even though the rest of your nature school spells will still be locked out.
Totemic Persistence can be effective when combined with talents such as earth grab, windwalk, and stone bulwark; but most of the effectiveness of this talent is in the ability to use tremor without needing to replace your other earth totem, and to use grounding in the same manner. You can use it to healing tide and healing stream simultaneously, rendering a ton of burst healing from your totems alone, but it doesn't usually outweigh the strength of Call of the Elements as healing tide is generally enough totem healing when you need the extra amount, and you can't always guarantee healing stream totem is off cool down when you healing tide.
Totemic Projection is really strong in combination with earth grab and/or capacitor totem. It allows you to get that extra cc off without over extending. Projection is also pretty good for manipulating the range of your totems. For example, you can place a grounding totem down at an inopportune moment, extremely far away from your enemy team, and then launch it forward when you need it's effect, and using this method you can have another grounding totem ready 10-15 seconds afterwards. It is also nice to launch healing tide / stream away from enemies, or across the map to allies when ranging the enemy CCs or swaps, or when separated due to a lock's gateway.
Tier 4 (level 60):
Elemental Mastery is pretty bad for arena resto shamans. It is a long cool down for what it provides, it is dispellable, its healing throughput calls for you to spend more mana by casting more spells in a shorter time frame, and it is weak because it relies on a situation where shamans need to chain cast quite a few spells, and due to the riptide/tidal waves mechanic, chain casting is not something resto shamans do when casting efficiently or effectively.
Astral Swiftness is the preferred talent in this tier because it allows you to cast CC instantly, or get instant, powerful heals. It has a short cool down, and it also provides you and your team a passive haste buff.
Echo of the Elements can greatly improve your sustained healing output, however it is very RNG based and just not even close to as strong as being able to instantly cast a heal or CC in the most dire moments.
Tier 5 (level 75):
Rushing Streams is the most used talent in the 5th tier.for resto shamans because healing stream is one of the most efficient and effective healing spells available to shamans. This talent makes it heal two targets at once (essentially doubling its healing assuming no overheal) and increases the effectiveness of those heals by 15%, meaning that even if you only have one target that requires healing, this talent is still pretty strong, but obviously it helps a ton for any situation where two targets are not full health. This can be so nice vs mage comps that make a ton of swaps, especially to the shaman; for example, if the shaman and one team mate are both full hp, and the third is 95% hp, healing stream will tick to heal the 95% hp team member, and overheal one of the others, providing them the damage reduction from the glyph, which with some luck will be the target that the mage team makes a swap to.
This glyph / talent combination is amazing for relieving spread pressure put out by a frost mage's frozen orb as well.
Ancestral Guidance is a talent that I personally think is undervalued and underused. It is essentially a weakened version of ascendance, on a pretty good cool down. It's obviously strong for spread healing, but it can outweigh the rushing streams talents especially in situations where healing stream is killed almost instantly every time. The biggest weakness of this talent is probably the uptime that it requires in order to take full advantage of the spell, but even without chain casting, I think this talent is still a lot stronger than its presence suggests.
Conductivity is extremely weak because it requires a ton of hard casting, it limits mobility of your team, healing rain's healing isn't really overpowered enough to make this talent worthwhile in arena, and conductivity doesn't really even compare with the other two choices in the tier.
Tier 6 (level 90):
Unleashed Fury is an amazing talent. For healing, it increases the effectiveness of earthliving's unleashed elements effect, which can be used to increase sustained healing (by UE'ing a riptide [yes it effects the heal over time effect]) or burst healing (when used with a healing surge or greater healing wave). It can also be used with rockbiter's unleash to provide a 40% damage reduction from a single enemy for a few seconds. Finally, if used with frostbrand, unleashed fury causes your UE to give you a 50% sprint for 4 seconds on top of slowing the enemy (remember that frostbrand's effect and unleashed effect are both undispellable, and only removed via freedom spells or similar effects).
Primal Elementalist is nice for earth elemental's shield wall and stun, controlling a pet so that you can use it to possibly eat hunter traps, and for the healing increase and damage taken reduction buffs that they can provide. The pets just do not have strong enough effects or last long enough / have short enough cool downs in order to outweigh the strength of the unleashed fury talent.
Elemental Blast is just all around pretty terrible for resto shaman. Even for damage, it is not as effective as other choices in that talent tier.
I do not plan to be as thorough with glyphs as I was with talents as there are obviously a lot more of them that are not useful almost at all to resto shamans.
These are the most commonly used glyphs for resto shamans in arena. These are applicable for most situations, but there are a couple of alternate options available as well, effective in more specific situations.
Glyph of Ghost Wolf is needed in most situations, otherwise slows are extremely effective, even while in ghost wolf. Some slows are effected by this glyph more than others, but if you are getting slowed and trying to run away in ghost wolf without this glyph, especially while getting trained, you are going to have a lot of trouble surviving or developing any distance between you and your attackers.
Glyph of Totemic Vigor is pretty strong because of how essential totems are to resto shamans. This can deter people from killing your totems, or cause totems to become much more difficult to destroy for certain classes (like affliction warlocks). Most shamans use this glyph in every match up, and it is especially strong for capacitor totem and stone bulwark totem due to the huge health pools it gives them. This glyph also buffs healing stream a ton because if it prevents healing stream from getting 1 shot, healing stream will heal itself (obviously even more effective when combined with the rushing streams talent). Personally, I think this talent as required as it is common, because careful placement vs ranged classes will allow you to prevent the important totems from being killed, usually, and melee targets that instantly go for your totems likely won't be stopped because of a small buff to the totem's health.
Note that the glyph is maximum health, so all health buffs will effect it (rally, NG, ancestral vigor, battle master [if you otherwise will have no use for battle master, you can use it while you healing tide for example, or maybe cap totem, to try and help it live a bit longer for an extra second to tick or explode).
Glyph of Hex is self explanatory, and obviously even better when other glyphs are not useful or when there is only one player able to decurse on the enemy team (or none of course).
Glyph of Healing Stream Totem is extremely good, especially when combined with the rushing streams talent (as explained above) however it is only useful against nature damage, frost damage, and fire damage: so mostly mages, shamans, balance druids, and destro locks (some other classes have damaging spells that deal nature damage (serpent sting) or frost damage (death knight's frost fever / icy touch) but it may not be worthwhile to choose this glyph for those match ups).
Glyph of Totemic Encirclement (minor glyph)is nice because it can confuse and disorient your enemy team, it can allow for an intervene target for a warrior team mate to use for escaping a root effect, but it can also be used for charging, so be careful allowing enemies to use it to close gaps. Note that the fake totems dropped by this glyph do not show up with name plates to enemies, and remember that they can be killed if needed.
Glyph of Rain of Frogs is useful just to try and trick enemies into using their interrupt spell on something that does not actually lock out the nature (healing) school.
Gemming / Stat Priority
There are a few effective options when it comes to gemming and stat priority for resto shaman. In full gear currently, the most common and possibly strongest priority is Int>Crit>Spirit>Mastery>Haste.. Other common set ups put spirit ahead of crit, and sometimes mastery above crit. The effectiveness of the stat priority is really difficult to measure accurately on paper, and it pretty much rolls out to personal preference. The best way to know if a stat priority works out as a healer, is test how it feels, because stat priority isn't as simple for healers as it is for dps, as it is rare that straight throughput outweighs burst healing, and you also have to worry more about defenses and obviously mana.
Most people just pick up the 4 piece resto with the elemental gloves, as this set up provides the most crit and spirit available with pvp gear, with the meditation (spirit) off pieces, and the crit or spirit battlemaster (because shamans are very susceptible to dying) and insignia/medallion trinket.
Most shamans are gemming straight crit chance now. Other viable options are int>crit>spirit; or resil. Meta gem can range between the Stam + stun reduction meta (especially effective for orcs as it stacks with their passive stun reduction racial); the int + silence reduction (still nice for reducing cc, and it provides throughput via int (which also provides some crit)); and the pvp meta which is not as strong as the int metas in throughput, but still nice defensively due to the resil.
Why is crit so strong?
Crit provides shamans quite a bit of mana return due to resurgence (even almost as much mp5 as spirit when spamming the spells healing wave and greater healing wave). Also, crit heals are 100% stronger than non-crit heals, and crit provides 30% more throughput to shamans due to ancestral awakening. With crit trinkets, crit gems, and reforging with crit priority, shamans reach something around 33% crit unbuffed, which is nice in general for heals over time and normal healing spells (healing stream is affected by your crit chance too), but because of tidal waves, healing surge has an extra 30% crit chance, giving it a 63% crit chance with the set up mentioned above.
Crit is great for mana, not only because of resurgence, but also because a crit can mean the difference between having to cast another heal or not, where as other stats do not come close to having the throughput to compete without critting. In other words, if you crit a healing surge or two in a row, you are probably going to top your teammate. If you do not crit, gemming full int or even mastery you will likely have to cast 4-6 surges to top that same teammate.
Note that just because you prioritize gemming crit, does not mean it outweighs int. When you gem crit, you gain 320 of the stat, when you gem int, you gain 160. So if you gem full crit, you are prioritizing 2 crit > 1 int. Jewlcrafter's profession only gems are a tough choice when considering this idea, because a JC crit gem provides 480 crit,
while the JC int gem provides 320 int. The JC gems provide 1.5 x the normal crit gem, and 2 x the normal int gem, so in order to choose which JC gems you choose, you have to decide whether you believe that 3 crit outweighs 2 int or not, because that is the proportion of crit to int via the JC special gems. Of course, it is all preference, but understanding the difference helps to form the preference and makes for an interesting consideration.
All of the profession choices are pretty balanced (aside from mining / herb) but JC and Blacksmithing are the most commonly used and arguably the strongest as they give you the option to gain the secondary stats Crit or resill, which have been two of the most common set gem priority set ups as of late.
The most important and imperative macros are targeting macros (for both enemies and teammates), arena 1 2 3 / focus wind shear, and focus purge. These macros allow you to act more quickly healing, dispelling, interrupting, CCing, and the focus purge allows you to heal your teammates while watching specific enemies for crucial buffs you may need to clean off immediately. Having a /stopcasting command is really nice for wind shear or grounding totem so that you are sure to stop casting and immediately cast those spells the second you need to.
Other optional macros are those such as focus hex, focus frost shock, frost shock 1 2 3, purge target of target, and NS, all of which are not imperative but can make everything more fluid and concise, which is important.
Target Party 1
Target Party 2
Target arena 1
Target arena 2
Target arena 3
Shear arena 1
/cast [target=arena1] wind shear
Shear arena 2
/cast [target=arena2] wind shear
Shear arena 3
/cast [target=arena3] wind shear
Focus wind Shear macro
/cast [target=focus] Wind Shear
Focus Purge Macro
/cast [target=focus] Purge
/cast [target=focus] Hex
Focus Frost Shock
/cast [target=focus] Frost Shock
/cast Wind Shear
/cast [harm] [target=targettarget] Purge
The only addon I think is really important to success as an rsham, or at least extremely helpful, is interrupt bar. There are too many classes with interrupts available to manage all of them or allow each of them to rotate full lock outs on you without resulting in your death.
I do use bindpad though, I find that it is nice for saving all of the macro's and binds I have even though there isn't much room in my macro book or on my action bars.
Most comps work with a resto shaman healing, to some degree, usually so long as you do not class stack (but even then things can sort of work to some extent). The strongest comps for resto shamans right now are probably MLS (tons of CC [peels for the shaman xP]), WLS, RMS, and WMS. Although they aren't the strongest, KFC, Kitty Cleave, RPS, Shatterplay, RLS, Shadowcleave, and more can still work quite well.
Rshamans VS Casters
Shamans have a lot of tools to compete against casters in their kit, however this does not mean they simply "counter" casters in general. If a good shaman is left unchecked, he or she can manipulate the outcome of a match against caster tremendously, however, like in most situations, resto shamans are very susceptible to death in a stun or silence, or simply after being trained. Positioning is the strongest defense shamans have against death, as it prevents swaps, prevents CC, and causes the control the shaman has to be even more effective as good positioning will render enemy players stuck in the open during shear lock outs and hexes, or stuck out of line when shear and grounding are not available.
Try to use LoS in between your control on off targets. Between hex, shear, and grounding, it is extremely difficult to land hard casted CC's onto a shaman (and on top of that you have tremor for when you finally do get feared ).
It is important to prioritize which spells you shear and ground. Grounding and shear shouldn't be used just simply on cool down, but properly in order to put the enemy team behind. Typically it is a good idea to use stops on crowd control spells, but careful not to waste the shear on the third DR polly and then have no answer for the cyclone cast incoming. Other than CCs, there are specific spells to try and negate for each specific class. Some great examples are deep freeze and counter spell for mage; lava burst and ele blast for shamans; chaos bolts and haunts for warlocks (they both cost shards so it's extra good to ground these spells as it wastes the resource); devouring plague or silence for spriests; etc. Something I like to keep in mind is that it isn't always important to slow the caster down, as in shear the lightning bolts, frost bolts, or incinerates. Sometimes it is more important to save the shear for the CC, or the bigger spells. It is nice to wind shear lock out those spells like lightning bolt or poly and follow up with a hex since they are shortly locked on their schools they need available in order to interrupt your hex; so this essentially gives you a "free" hex in their face.
As stated above, it is important, almost essential, to properly time shear and especially grounding, as it can change a game completely sometimes, so make a true effort to avoid simply mindlessly dropping grounding on cool down.
Remember when trying to lock down a high crowd control caster (like a mage) to incorporate your dispell cool down within your grounding and shear cool downs. For example, say the mage casts a poly on a friendly rogue, dispell can be used on the first polly, grounding on the next polly (if you shock the 2nd dr polly sometimes it isn't as good as grounding because the two second lock out tends to deter enemies from relentlessly casting poly on everyone unlike grounding for some reason, lol), wind shear following the third polly cast, and a hex during the lock out... and dispell is ready again. Obviously it is not always cut and dry, but some type of fluid idea similar to this is always good to aim for when attempting to help your teammates maintain uptime and lock down the enemy in order to keep them behind and build pressure.
Some specific tips to remember versus casters are to try and alert your teammates when a follow up fear that you can't stop is coming, or polly, or whatever. Try to avoid wasting tremors when they would actually be wasted (if you have full demonsoul dots and the enemy team isn't even on you, and you just got full feared, why tremor if your teammate isn't in much trouble yet; you could sit 1 or two seconds and the fear is likely to break). Watch for frozen orb, often you can position yourself in route of it when it is going to be used on your teammates and this way you can cause the frozen orb to break the polly on yourself early, careful not to overextend or get swapped to too hard, though. Finally, watch for dots like living bomb, vamperic touch, immolate, etc. when playing against casters to try and get a head start on their swaps. Having earth shield and riptide (as well as ancestral vigor building up) before a swap is always nice. Beware of DR's on yourself for enemy CC's as well, if you just ate full polly and fear dr's all together, and deep is ready, they are probably going to attempt to use it on you since chain CC'ing may not be an option in that situation.
Rshamans vs Melee Cleaves (tsg / kitty cleave)
Most shamans have problems living vs cleaves. Tsg is a hell of a lot easier to live against as an rsham than a kitty cleave, though. TSG lets you actually use roots on both enemies, but you have to still play pretty well in every way in order to barely survive, but it's possible to do so consistently. Don't think of it as kiting though, you are not trying to avoid damage, you should be trying to avoid interrupts. When you earth grab the two full (no dispell or intervene) do not try to run across the map, just move far enough away to where they can't interrupt you (be mindful of disrupting shout's range, the length of the root [do not go so far where they can charge you or just take 1 step forward and kick you]), maybe run a little bit if you are sure that you can get into a position to top yourself, if you're low HP then that means enough time to cast 2-4 healing surges, usually via LOS behind a pillar or wall in order to avoid charge or grip.
CD usage vs the cleaves pretty much should be played by ear. Spend time juking, (don't juke too much play the kick/fake mind game well, it can get you free casts and if you're very smart you can force them to waste interrupts together quite often, like barely out ranging them or barely out of LOS and you know they can get to you before the cast goes of but you're sort of fine, juke as soon as they in range, etc) and get casts off during cc your team provides (roots, shockwave, fear, deep, etc) Try to healing tide large burst during cc, or maybe link the cc (healing tide ticking or link ticking during a shockwave or asphyxiate for example). Remember that you can not live forever no matter what, and so sometimes you need to play offensively (hexing / purging / shearing a healer) to help land the kill, but be careful with your decision making here, obviously. The best defense is often a great offense.
For cap totem I like to use it at times where the player has to either kill it and lose crucial uptime, or eat a stun... Like if a warrior is about to charge (it's barely off cd, maybe i just got a freedom away, idk) i will maybe drop a cap and time it so that they can either hit the cap then charge me, maybe giving me time to get a heal off, hex, or LOS, or they can charge me and get capped followed by spam heals on myself or a full hex out of the cap.
It is often that you have to blow all your cd's really fast vs cleaves, healing tide asendance ns auramastery even all at once. You shouldn't really have to blow all that + trinket or link though, and if you use gate properly it will be enough to top yourself once every time you take it (cc the team with earthgrab or other cc's while you gate + have good positioning of it).
Just remember that one of the weaknesses of a shaman is that you don't make the plays, really, you just react to everything. All you can do to help your team to win is make the best of every situation, and by that I mean if the enemy team plays great while training you there isn't much you can do.
For example tsg can just dispel your aura mastery, interrupt you nonstop between their 3 kicks +1 if they have a shaman, and all of their stuns + charge and grip, they can kil all your totems (earth grab, cap, healing stream, windwalk), they can dispel your ghostwolf, out damage your heals if you could free cast, have 100% uptime between gap closers, ams, intervene, charge, lichborne, etc. So don't get too discouraged if / when you lose to that stuff, it's just the state of the game.
Btw, kittycleave is even harder, especially if you aren't dwarf; the way I like to play it is try to juke the feral all the time (juke the maims, typhoon, skull bash, etc [remember if you have a little distance on the feral they are a lot more easily juked because they get an opportunity to use the skull bash as a kick and gap closer and try to take it) and i try to use earthgrab or windwalk, gateway, and stuns and what not to let me get casts off while avoiding the warrior's uptime on me. I like to have my lock fear maybe during stuns and stuff, or cd's (on the feral mostly, of course), but try and save it for opportune moments where the warrior is stuck away and the feral has interrupts ready, so i can get free casts. Try and coordinate with cross CCs (even something like half fears) on the warrior and what not to get casts off the best you can, and try to get juicy cap totems off as well, especially if your team doesn't have stuns (often you can cap totem, and call of the elements cap again and they won't kill it SHHH xp). Stop the hardcasted clones too, since it's about all you are good for, lol, with your grounding / shear of course.
For those pesky teams that spam kill totems, try dropping searing totem once in a while maybe while you cap totem / healing stream, sometimes it actually helps to confuse them and let you get free casts off once in a while.
Always watch your NG, being able to save it for a good time is pretty nice, don't let your ng proc then get stunned afterwards, because that will either force a trinket + more cd's or hurt very badly. Remember that 90% of the time if you're getting hit, trinket isn't enough. You need to use trinket to do something else usually, like healing tide or link, so beware of that (it's a lot different than it used to be).
Rsham vs Rogue / Mage
Versus rogue mage you are a shaman, so control the mage while you can, and have a good offense; mess up their opener, and punish it quick. Purges, shears, good hex's with cross cc if there are two decurses. Sometimes hex just to stop casts etc, try to hex on a deep maybe, it's all situational.
Rogue mage isn't as reliant on deep as other comps, generally the cheap shotted or kidney'd person is the one who dies and the deep is for cross cc, so keep that in mind.
Obviously use healing stream totem, try to drop it in good places where it won't be killed, stand in good positions so that your team can help you or you can gate / los properly. Try to drop a cap at a nice time as well (healing stream / cap totems right before you get stunned or opened on can be very effective).
Earthgrab vs windwalk is pretty meh vs rmx because the freedom is so nice vs mage offensively (like i said you need to pressure fast because it can force them defensive the entire game, swap healer quickly and let your shaman control the mage while he tries to peel with maybe a fear on rogue) and windwalk can negate pet novas as well as let you escape from the rogue more effectively than a warrior due to no berserker rage for your lock's cc, and the fact that a rogue can't just chase you all day without the risk of ever dieing like a warrior can these days.
I still like earthgrab sometimes though, vs rmx, because it can help avoid fears vs a holy priest (keep eg between you and the priest so the chastise -> spectral -> fear can get negated by rooting them mid route) and because it can be great cc for the mage and rogue both, and allow you to cast without the rogue on you.
If the rogue just trains you mindnumbing + not getting juked can pretty much force all your cds / kill you eventually so punish well.
"Countering" a mage
When a shaman plays against a mage, especially if it is the only dps caster on the enemy team and the shaman is left free reign most of the game, the mage can feel completely countered or dominated by the shaman. Obviously well timed shears, groundings, LoS, and hex's can really mess with the mage, but there is even more. One of the best things you can do against a lot of mage comps (mage / warrior, mage / feral, mage / spriest, mage / lock) is ground the deep freeze. A lot of it comes with experience, but if you manage to ground that deep you or your teammate are free to run around, stop casts, LoS, or even just dispel a lot of incoming damage. Watch for fingers of frost procs, use trinket, look at icicles built up on the mage, and when orb comes out be looking to time a well placed grounding totem in attempt to get that deep. Especially since with glyph of deep freeze, deep is off of the global, it is extremely difficult and unreliable to just ground the deep, but it is a great and simple thing to aim for. Grounding a deep can cause the mage's team to fall behind for 30 seconds to a minute, or even snowball into an easy win against the mage.
Another easy tip against a mage is for when they attack the shaman. Out of a deep freeze, there will generally be a blanket counter spell, so make sure to try and spam spiritwalker's grace (aura mastery) and immune the counter spell that follows the deep.
Cool spell effects xD
Asendance is an extremely good cooldown for resto shamans. Obviously, the extra healing is really nice single target, and for spread healing. Something that is often overlooked, is that asendance's effects are applied to riptide and its heal over time. This includes previously applied riptides. For example, if a shaman has a riptide on all three team members, and a pet even, if he or she uses ascendance and just stands there, or better yet eats a polymorph; all 4 riptide HoTs will have their effects doubled and spread between the allied targets. This makes ascendance so strong, even while CC'd, or without hard casting very much; full hots out and an ascendance healing surge or two is often plenty enough to negate a huge chunk of burst or CD's coming out of the enemy team.
Spiritwalker's grace is originally used to move while casting, and with the 4 piece resto gear it applies an aura mastery effect. The spell can still be casted mid cast, though, obviously off the global. This means that you can often trick enemies into using their interrupts late into your cast because you use the spiritwalker's grace mid way through. Careful to wait too late, though, as this can cause you to use the cool down and gain the buff, but still get locked out. Remember to move around a lot while you are using your aura mastery effect versus players trying to purge you and interrupt you; it only takes one purge to remove the buffs, but if you are moving around and it gets purged, you will stop casting before you locked out because you can't cast while moving without the buff.
Frostbrand weapon imbue causes your melee attacks to slow the target, and UE with this buff puts a slow on them which is undispellable (aside freedom effects); and with unleashed fury the shaman gains a 50% movement speed for 4 seconds that stacks with ghost wolf, which can make for a great get-away, especially in combination with a root on the enemy or a windwalk totem.
Healing stream Totem is extremely strong: it's mana efficient, heals through walls, heals for a ton (especially when it crits), and with the glyph it reduces damage taken by certain spells. One of the keys to healing stream is placement and timing. It can be pretty effectively used simply on cooldown, however timing it is even better. Using healing stream while you have to move anyway, or while out of LoS of the enemy and about to go in LoS (in order to keep the totem from being killed). Try to use healing stream before you eat CC, including polly and fear, or even kidneys and swaps.
Whenever you hex, offensively, do not aim to just use the spell because you have a little bit of extra time. Especially when the healer is the only one who can decurse on the enemy team, it is important to land good, well timed hex's that line up with your team's burst damage or DR's on other CC's in order to chain them. Sometimes, depending on comp, again, it can be worth it to hex just to stop casts or negate cool downs (situations like where there are two or three who can decurse). Careful not to waste the DR on poly or trap if your team relies on those CCs, because an inopportunely placed hex can end up putting you too far behind to recover sometimes.
Shamans are extremely reliant on hard casting spells, and they are often trained by the enemy team, so it is pretty imperative to become comfortable with managing how you interact with interrupt spells. I find personally that casters are a lot easier to handle than melee. One reason is that a lot of casters blanket rather than try to land the interrupt full (ie a mage blankets you into a pom polly while a deep/orb is happening on your warrior). Casters also have much longer CD's on their interrupt spells, of course, which can be a relief as well. It seems that casters are often easier to trick using specific spells, though.There are those times where you just ate a deep, 3 pollys and overlapped fears, and now a counterspell attempt is most likely coming, as your teammate is hovering around 30%, so you can pretty safely juke early in the cast in that situation, but let's say its a much more safe situation where there isn't much CC on you yet, and not much damage out. If you just begin to go for a hex the mage is most likely going to first instinct try to stop you, especially if that mage is the only decurse on the team, because you won't have hex for a good 40 seconds, but you will cast a bunch of heals regardless of the CS, so that one hex sticks out in the mind more, especially since it effects the player much more obviously by stopping them from doing anything for a few seconds.
If you get a good feel for a caster, and manage to juke them a lot, you can stop casting and drop a grounding and have them counter spell into the grounding totem pretty often. There is also the basic strategy to start casting, drop a grounding, then re start casting quickly and often they will use their interrupt into the totem. Careful, if something like a mage notices your trick, often they will icelance and maybe try to counter you as soon as grounding dies since it is off the global and has no travel time (for mages at least, note that lock cs's have travel time so it's a lot easier to manage). This is another situation where certain spells make it easier to fake them, because if that spell you're casting while they kill grounding is hex, for some reason the mage is more likely to try and cs that cast immediately as grounding falls, because I guess healers must fake with CC ability casts much less often than healing spells. It's pretty tough to explain why / how casting a hex makes such a big difference with how jumpy the player usually is to CS, but based off of past experiences, it is an extremely common occurrence.
Versus melee interrupts, try and get a good feel for how they kick, if you have time. I like to often just go for it, because if you play with the mindset that you just can't no matter what get kicked (even though it's often true, if you get kicked you will probably lose, lol) you can just lose because they wait until the last second to kick or they just decide to hold their kick completely with their brains off. Each player is different, with latency, strategy, how hard they try, etc. so keep that in mind. Remember if you get kicked while you're full HP it's not so bad but if you wait and juke until you're low and they land a kick it is a lot more scary.
Keep in mind that melee often look for sort of two for one opportunities and / or "pro" plays. Warriors will try to off kick you with disrupting shout a lot, and rogues maybe shadow step + kick, most melee with off kicks if they are running by, or just near by; so pay attention and try to juke those things when they are obviously going to go for them. Usually players don't expect you to fake the cast for these situations, because I guess that they are too preoccupied with trying to do something somewhat fancy or impressive, so they are not concerned or considerate of you trying to out play their attempt to outplay. Haha. Another good example of this is after you drop a cap totem, and start casting a surge, they may turn and hit the cap totem to kill it and then turn back to you, thinking you won't fake because you are too slow and nonreactive to them killing the totem so "quickly" so they are less likely to wait for you to juke.
One of the most common examples of what i'm talking about when I say two for one opportunities is like when feral druids are a good distance away from you, and you are casting, they try to close the gap and take a shot at kicking you (+ apply a pesky mana debuff) so they are pretty clumsy with kicks in that situation as well.
It's better to cross CC and get casts off than to just fake yourself to death or waste too much time faking. With two melee, especially two with a lot of interrupts individually, it's sometimes good to fake one (like the feral) then CC the other (warrior) and get casts off. Sometimes look for chances to cast preemptively (knowing they won't kick until at least like 75% through the cast) so you can take advantage of really short 1-3 second CC's on the enemy team by getting the last portion of the cast off during that short CC effect.
Funny jump juke
Often those pesky melee cleaves will tunnel so hard that you can juke them off the edge on maps like blade's edge. It can help a lot by letting you have breathing room to cast. All you do is try and notice that neither you nor the enemy team is slowed, ghost wolf, run at the edge, stop on the edge, and jump in place once. It's pretty funny / beautiful when it happens, and it's nice to get even further away or top yourself before they reconnect. It doesn't usually work more than once or twice in a match though, so be careful not to waste too much time doing it. You can jump off with spiritwalker's grace when it's a good time to aura mastery, so maybe they will subconsciously expect you to jump the next time you run at the edge in the same manner, but don't pop aura mastery just to jump off the edge
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Unleash elements (with earthliving), especially with the unleash fury talent, is a huge part of helping a team or a shaman his or her self survive. There are a ton of shamans that just use unleash elements on CD, which performs minimally but sadly, acceptably. UE can save tons of CD's and negate swaps, if used well enough. So sometimes when consistent damage is high, and offensive dispells are low, unleashing for a riptide can be alright. It's pretty good for preemptive heals as well, because the buff applies to the HoT effect from the riptide, as well as the instant heal effect it produces. The buff to the HoT, however, isn't the full percentage that UE normally applies to heals, so keep that in mind. This doesn't negate how strong UE riptides can be, especially when the shaman is in a situation where he or she has to run across the map, or if like an RMP is about to open.
A well timed UE can be the difference between topping someone or not. Reading situations well enough to figure out when a shaman can get a cast off helps to take full advantage of the strength of UE. For example, if a TSG is chasing, and earth grab is dropped, then making it behind the pillar (warrior has no leap) is a sure-fire thing, casting UE on the way and following up with a big healing surge can top the shaman if it crits. In the moments of free casting, unleash elements can be really huge. It's just huge to avoid simply UE on cooldown, and to really make sure to take advantage of the buff. Never unleash and let it fall off before casting a heal, and avoid getting CC'd on it before at the very least a riptide is used with the buff.
Posted Frostwor on 05 October 2013 - 04:57 PM
Hello guys, lately I have noticed a lot of rogues have moved to assa or even combat, just because sub damage feels low, and people dont know actually what to do as a sub rogue to deal damage. So I decided to make this short guide that will explain some very basic things which I have the feeling a lot of the new rogues or " low skilled" kinda miss and cant enjoy sub because of that. Feel free to correct me if I have written something wrong and etc.
This guide is written for arenas, in rbgs and duels the playstyle and talent choice may differ.
Fast talent choice and why to pick them.
This is a mini dance and allows more damage, control, survivability and also allows you to land your opener much more easy vs teams that have high AoE or very good positioning at the start of the arena.
2) Nerve Strike or Combat Readiness
This is a personal choice to how you play. In general NS is against caster based teams, and CR vs physical based teams. However you can still go with NS vs physical based teams it's a matter of choice.
3) Cheat Death or Elusiveness
Personally Elusiveness is in every way better than CD atm for me. I have seen some rogues pick CD but ± 95% of the rogue elite goes with Elusiveness. CD however is sometimes good and can be changed vs teams that can 1 shot you, like the Elemental shaman teams which can gain 1 proc and global you.
4) Shadow Step
SS gives a lot of utility. It can be used both aggressively or defensively by stepping to your healer, even eating traps some times with it. Another great bonus is that you go behind the target. This means that after it you can use and ability and it will land 100%. E.G. Warrior uses Die by the Sword. SS>Disarm or Kidney will make sure you don't take damage while he uses it and your ability wont get parried. The other choices in this tree are also very good for certain situations but SS is the top one atm.
5) Pray on the Weak
This tallent is the way to go for a sub rogue, the 10% bonus is not only for you but also for your partners. I have seen some rogues using Para poison but just because it is much more efficient when you train a target (which is not what sub does), the root is also helpful but it DRs other roots so its not that good with most rogue comps since your partners already have roots too.
6) Marked for Death
It has 1minute cd which has amazing synergy with Shadow Dance, using 5 combo points for evi or kidney while dancing is insane.
Glyph of Hemorrhaging Veins give you the bonus damage from Sanguinary Veins (25%). This glyph saves you time, combo points, and energy. It is very nice and helps out switching to other targets a lot. In other words keep Hemmo dot 24/7.
I will not discuss other glyphs as they don't give you any damage and I want to keep this guide simple. I will just list the useful in pvp.
Blind - (a must have one), Cheap Shot, Garrot, Feint, Cloak of Shadows, Recovery,
Recuperate, Smoke Bomb, Redirect.
There are 3 general ways in which you can open a target depending on how much pressure you want to make. The general formula and the type of CC or DMG ability depends on what CDS the enemy uses and what class he is:
Trick you partner > Premed > Slice n Dice > Opener type > Crowd Control > Damage > Crowd Control > Damage.
Shadow Blades with Subterfuge. This opener uses Subterfuge as a mini Shadow Dance and along with Blades makes insane damage at the start and it is followed later (after DR resets) by the real SD. The tactic is to force a lot of defensive CDs from your enemy and then utilise SD as a lockdown//damage imput and land a kill.
Pure SD opener. Pretty much applying pressure at start again forcing defensive cds, and waiting for the next dance or reset.
Blades and Dance. This is usually used vs targets that dont have safe net abilities like Iceblock and can be killed in the opener if they get too greedy in using defensive CDs or dont get help from their partners.
Slice n Dice.
This may look a stupid topic but a lot of the new rogues dont understand the way energy gain works since this expansion (Cata also ) is not what the game style with energy was before and it feels less punishing but it adds up a lot.
So the reason of keeping slice n dice is not only because it's amazing for the auto atack % we get but because of the energy gain, as a rogue you should try keep SnD as much as possible up but also monitor it closely. Try not spamming combo points in useless refresh of SnD (E.G. you have 20 seconds more and you refresh it to max) because in this way you lose a Evi, Recupe or a KS timing.
The Energy Pulse of SnD
Now here it gets really important and this is the reason I have put SnD as a section in this guide. Rogue's energy regen is base line and adds up a bit from haste but with the current state of the game it doesn't really matter if you have some haste more or less. However, SnD gives you 8 energy every 2 seconds due to Energetic Recovery. The trick is exactly in this. When you start open or try to burst down an enemy and you have 100% of your energy you have to aim in timing exactly the 1st ability you wand on your target with that energy regen tick.
For example: I'm playing 2s as a Rogue dPriest vs Death Knight rDruid. My mass stealth is about to expire and I decide to open on the Dk since i cant find the druid. I sap the dk so that my priest can get a good position and clean the dk from buffs. I do SnD wait for my energy to go max and time my cheap shot or garrot right before the energy tick comes so while my Global cool down is up I will get 8+ energy more, so I have actually reduced the cost of my 1st ability with 8 energy which is a lot.
There are few addOns which can help you in getting used to this energy tick regen but practice makes it the best and in time it will become like an inner heart beat to when the tick procs.
Setting up the kill.
It is incredible how many times I have seen people playing around 2k rating even higher blow cool downs into stupid things and when having a bad position. Most classes have very high stable damage and rely on it to land a kill, so its less punishing. However Sub rogue is not one of them. Sub has very low damage outside of cooldows and needs very good timing and coordination with your team so you can apply pressure and even land a kill. So this is how you do it. (This is the general situation as in arenas a lot of things can change and its not ideal.)
When you see your SD is coming back ask if your partner has any damage cds up, if he doesn't you can choose between waiting for him to get them or just using dance to apply pressure. You can also try set a kill with SD only and your partner helping you dps.
During the time of the burst you must 1st cc the other 2 people from the enemy team so they cant Peel or Heal. Try to do this CC when you see the enemy has no or little defensive abilities and has no shields or hots on him. You can use Evasion or Cloak aggressively so that the enemy cant Peel you but make sure you dont blow such important defensive cds if you have nothing else (vanish etc.) because if you dont land a kill you will be in big trouble.
Pool your energy up to 100% or around it have SnD up and a garrot or hemmo dot on your target to trigger the bonus from Sang Veins. Make sure you have 5cp and TotT your parter.
Land a full KS and Dance with Mark (and Blades if you have)*. What actually happens at the moment is that you'r giving 25% bonus damage to your partner because of TotT and Pray on the Weak this is = to him having a berserker buff in a BG the damage should sky rocket. This is one of the scenarios when the target has nothing to evade this stun. There is no certain formula and you just need to practice it sometimes you will need to CS first to force a CD like blink then kidney and garrot, sometimes you will have to garrot first and so on. Play arenas:)
*Sometimes you can use vanish if your dance is on cd to force a subterfuge mini dance if the timing is good.
The meta game here is that if unpeeled Dance on a naked target with no shields or hots should be able to get him to at least 30% only from your damage and if you are not lucky with your crits.
Dat Damage Outside of Dance.
So far we have seen that Sub dance is very good and the main tool for doing damage unfortunately it lasts only a few seconds, so how do you do damage outside of SD?!
Training a target is brainless because after 3-4 backstabs you drop around 20% of your energy and stick around it meaning you can land 1 stab every few seconds after...
The right way is to pool energy as much as possible while trying to sit on a target with auto attack (you do this mainly to prevent a caster from casting not due to the dmg input). Once you have pulled some energy and you have 5cp TotT your partner and kidney shot this is the best thing you can do (+25% more damage to your partner) if you cannot get a reset and ur getting trained or chasing a healer.
If the enemy is trying to CC you or simply dont focus you and go for your partners try get as many as resets you can. Every time you do so you get a mini dance due to subterfuge and you automatically pool energy while waiting to reset. Dont forget you also gain 5% more damage from master of subtlety every time you go in stealth and not just only that but also find weakness which is one of the main reasons why you reset.
In arena doing the right thing at the right time is the most important thing try pumping your energy into damage when you see the target has no defensive buffs. Trying to hit a warrior while he has a 100k shield from a disc priest with renew will just waste your energy. Try damaging when his shield is down or right after it expires.
Some targets may seem very nice to continue smashing on but that is just a mistake. Pumping damage into a warrior at 40% hp with shield wall up while his healer is free casting heals on him is useless, he wont die. Instead better pool energy while the shield wall is up so you can use it after and apply more pressure.
Another very important part of the game no matter what dps you are. Switching between targets is very important. Many times people run in bad positions and are a good target to atack, sometimes they simply have no shields or hots on them and so on. This is a part of the game that is way too complex to explain in a guide and it takes practice to see when you can make a good switch. But by doing so you will probably not only do some more damage but force a defensive cd which is yet another advantage.
I hope you have enjoyed this guide and will force new players to choose rogue and see the fun aspects in it. This is a very small % of what rogue does in arena since it covers only some very basic tricks and improving your damage. Yet the real thing about rogue is controling your opponent. It would be lovely if some of the top dogs from the rogue community reply in this thread and give some ideas to edit this content.
P.S. Still need to edit typos and add some comas etc. etc. will do it later on.
Posted Nadagast on 25 November 2013 - 11:44 PM
Yeah kid,,,slow down and learn to read a post ..ALL OF IT.....wtf some tosser,
Can we up the level of discourse here please? Jesus