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Posted Amarithor18 on 31 July 2013 - 01:06 AM
Posted ysnakewoo on 30 July 2013 - 08:13 PM
Liek dis if you cry evrytim.
Thumbs up if you agree.
Hope this helped.
Posted Woundman on 03 August 2013 - 05:03 AM
3v3 is just as imbalanced as 2v2. What people hate most about 2v2 is how long games can last, but that would be easily fix with a stronger healing reduction compared to 3v3 and 5v5.
PvP is a minority because of how unrewarding it is. A simple way to make PvP rewarding is to make unique rewards every week.
Blizzard needs to implement a spectator client. A spectator client will allow players to run their own tournaments easier and make viewing the tournaments far more enjoyable (less delays).
Just repeating what has been said a million times in the past. Never going to happen, but one can dream right?
Posted Avarencex on 03 August 2013 - 04:03 AM
In the past couple of expansions, competitive pvp has been on a rapid decline which I believe is directly related to 2v2 being axed from the competive scene. First of all in s6, vegeance had 94 spots in 2v2, 35 spots in 3v3, and 4 spots in 5v5 for gladiator. Then onwards up to s8 there were 43 spots in 3v3 and 11 spots in 5v5 for gladiator. You may look at these numbers and believe that pvp was actually improving since 3v3 and 5v5 went up in competitiveness however punching in the numbers reveals that as a result of 2v2 being cut from being competitve the number of gladiator spots went from 313 Gladiators down to only 184 (Assuming only 2 players per 2v2 team get gladiator etc etc.). A significant drop in the amount of people playing in pvp by around 40%. This decline continues as the 5v5 brackets across most BGs become functionally zero with S9 3v3 having 33 spots, s10 22 spots, s11 15 spots, and s12 only 10 spots.
Now many people blame the rabid decline of WoW pvp due to it's many imbalances. This is actually true, however this is basically true with any new expansion as older players either outgrow the game or quit because they don't like how the game has changed, this has happened every expansion yet pvp was good a strong during BC and Wrath. What changed everything however was the lack of the 2v2 bracket. The 2v2 bracket was extremely important to break in newer players into the competitive scene of WoW pvp, 2v2 being easier in comparison to the increasing difficultly of 3v3 and 5v5, 2v2 was important to show players the ropes while also making the bracket worth doing aka THE TITLES. Without a incentive to do 2v2, nobody will play it as it will be deemed a waste of time. And when people did get titles in 2v2 they would be encouraged to broaden their horizons, prove they weren't just 2v2 heroes and compete in the 3v3 and 5v5 brackts. But without the 2v2 bracket, newer players are immediately thrown into the fast paced and crushing 3v3 bracket which does alot to basically scare away anybody new from trying to pvp competitively or at all. So basically wihtout the 2v2 bracket, competitive pvp lost the replenishing factor it needed in order to keep itself in a healthy and fattened state and has now led to the ever dwindling state of WoW pvp.
So please show some support for bring back the 2v2 bracket, help save WoW pvp and thanks for making the time to read this post.
Posted Snuggli on 01 July 2013 - 08:32 PM
Posted Kettu on 22 June 2013 - 02:16 PM
700k hp unbuffed.
Enemy manages to drop you down to 500k hp at some point of match.
JK enemy has only 400k hp buffed, you win after 15min of pve tank rotations.
Posted Figuerolle on 14 June 2013 - 02:06 PM
I feel like disc got so many new things in MoP and atm its stupid how much stuff they have...
Just pain supression itself is enough to counter all my cds every 3min which is the only time i get pressure with the current boring burst playstyle, need more substained dmg imo
I havnt read anything on 5.4 yet about priests,
can someone enlighten me?
I'm rock, nerf paper, scissors is fine
Posted Snackumz on 16 June 2013 - 09:00 AM
Posted Zerlog on 16 June 2013 - 01:27 AM
and everyone looses their minds..
Posted KPul on 09 June 2013 - 01:46 AM
Posted Chanimal on 07 June 2013 - 01:57 PM
BM needs to be nerfed a lot, but this isn't the worst state the game's ever been in.
I don't normally complain about other classes being retarded and just give up but this patch I feel so hopeless fighting hunters. Some games I don't even get the chance to get a full fear on the melee because someone is dead by then, and this happens in games that I feel like my team played incredibly.
I don't even mind the cc, it's just the damage they can do that is ridiculous. I feel like this patch has the highest concentration of one class arena has ever seen. Moreso than season 8 warlocks.
I'd like to see a damage shift from the pet to the hunter as well. Dying to a zoo through my healing cooldowns and sac. behind a pole is incredibly discouraging.
Posted Udderly on 08 April 2013 - 12:53 PM
Glyphs in MoP offer some really nice opportunity for making changes to suit your playstyle/comp, similar to how the talent trees are now setup. There is really only one mandatory glyph, no matter what comp you play, and the others will vary based on comp/opponent/playstyle quite a bit. Here is my list:
Moonbeast – Absolutely a must when it comes to glyphs (and probably the only one). Being able to heal in form saves the global of going back into form after healing and allows you to keep the 15% damage reduction and 5% party haste from form while you are healing. This could add up to some substantial extra globals over the course of a game.
Stampede – Being able to cast stampeding roar in moonkin form will give you and your party a nice dash and breaks their roots/snares. Again, saves a global when using it. Not a must, but a nice bonus.
Omens – This change has been brutal. Everyone knows that vortex/beam was very gimmicky, but without the glyph of Solar Beam the radius of the beam is so tiny. Omens is a decent choice if you get trained a lot, since you can spam Faerie Fire to get into eclipse, but it's so little energy that I find it underwhelming. Personally, I don't run this glyph anymore since the 5.3 change.
Prowl– If you are playing a triple stealth team (let’s say Rogue/Moonkin/Rsham) having the ability to move faster for the opener can be huge. This one is quite situational though, as it will really only be important for the opener.
Nature’s Grasp – Since they’ve changed the spell to have only one charge this expansion, it’s not as powerful as it once was, but still a really good talent. Being able to use it twice as often is pretty darn powerful vs. melee cleaves. A really good choice.
Barkskin – An old staple. Great defensive glyph, so if you are playing a comp where you are the one who gets trained a lot, I would call this glyph a must, personally.
Cyclone– 5 yards may seem like a small distance, but if you ask anyone who played Moonkin prior to MOP you will hear how much that 4 yards can make a difference in a game.
Entangling Roots – Another one that sounds miniscule, but can be a game changer. Being able to get off a second root on a healer who has been root-beamed, can mean the difference between an 8 second cc and a 12 second cc from one Solar Beam. If you’re talented into vortex, this glyph becomes far less effective (no root/beams), though can still help with managing melee.
Fae Silence – This one has some really cool implications, especially in comps where you are playing more of a utility role, rather than the primary damage dealer. Being able to pop into bear and follow a deep freeze or HoJ up with a 3 second silence when training a healer can be gamebreaking. The only disadvantage (besides losing a global going into bear form) is the 15 second cd that’s triggered on FF when used in bear form. But with dispels having a long cd now, this shouldn’t make it super difficult to keep FF on that annoying rogue or feral.
Most of the other glyphs can have some significance, but IMO are not nearly as gamebreaking as any of these when you’re playing a lazer chicken. I’ll probably start out with Moonbeast, Solar Beam, and Barkskin for the extra cc and survivability, but I expect I’ll be swapping around with Cyclone, Nature’s Grasp, and Stampede depending on the comps I’m running and what our survivability finally settles down like once the devs are no longer tweaking things.
For minor glyphs, it’s mostly fun stuff, but there are a couple key ones:
Grace - Being able to jump down to Mine in AB without switching to catform to prevent damage can be huge. Hop down, cast a rejuv on yourself in mid-air and get to the lazer duty!
Stag: - This allows you to be mounted (ummm…) while in travel form. While we don’t know how this will finally play out in Arena’s with being in combat vs. not, this could certainly have huge implications depending on how they let us do it. Keep watching and I’ll update as we know more.
Tier 1 - Mobility
With the nerf to displacer beast (no longer stealths you or drops target/focus), wild charge has become an excellent choice as well. Whether it's kiting in travel form, jumping backwards just after Typhoon for some big distance to the incoming melee, or going caster form and leaping to your planted mushrooms (even on another level, like the bridge in Blade's Edge), this talent brings a load of utility. It can also be a really great tool for eating traps (drop form, leap to healer, trap). I do still enjoy playing with the new displacer, and find that I change between that and wild charge quite often, depending on the opponent and our comp. I did play with having the 15% all the time increase and since it stacks with other increases, it can be a quite nice way to just stay very mobile, especially for beginners getting used to Druids.
Tier 2 - Healing
As much as I'd like to say there is a choice, this one is a no brainer. 1 minute Nature's Swiftness with a 50% increase on any heal it's used on is humungous. With 5.2 bringing back 25% of pvp power affecting heals coming from dps specs, we should see some really nice healing from Moonkin again. Quite a bump from our really mediocre cata healing. It's also great for that instant clone when someone pops all their cds on you and you can't cast. Cenarion Ward received a substantial healing buff and has its uses (especially vs. LSD 2.0 that just tries to wear your team down) but will be very situational. The other talent isn’t even an option, unfortunately.
Tier 2 - Anti-melee
This tier gives you a bunch of ways to keep that pesky rogue or warrior from smashing your face in. Despite the nerf to a 30 sec cd (was 20) Typhoon is still the best for z-axis maps, such as Blade's Edge or Dalaran (man that Ret is gonna be pissed!). Knocking back a rogue can give you the room to get that clone off on him without getting interrupted. It's also great for an interrupt in a pinch. Faerie Swarm has been buffed to an unlimited number of targets (huge change). Being able to keep a 50% slow on the opposing dps while your shaman goes ghost wolf can be pretty awesome. I would call it situational, now that we can tell who our opponents are before starting a match. Mass Entanglement is great against the hunter zoo, with the cd reduced to 30 seconds. You can use it from range, hit multiple targets, and the cooldown is solid to prevent DR issues. All three talents will have uses in different circumstances.
Tier 4 - DPS
This is the first tier that gives you a change to your DPS. Force of Nature is similar to our old trees, except they now cast wrath, hit a lot harder, instantly root your target on cast, and now have 3 separate charges on 20 second cds. This is a nice replacement for vortex beam, especially since trees are off the global, but giving up Incarnation damage is a pretty big sacrifice. The AI is still super wonky, keeping it mostly inferior to Incarnation. Soul of the Forest is a pick it and forget it talent. It helps you get to your eclipse faster but you don't have any control over it. A good pick for someone learning Moonkin, but the other two give you much more potential. Incarnation is pretty beast. 25% increased eclipse damage for thirty seconds is a lot of damage for a long time. Line this up with an on use trinket, Nature's Vigil (from Tier 6), and your partners cd's and you could be doing a disgusting amount of burst. Not to mention the sweet armor it puts on your character during the cd.
Tier 5 - CC
This is a really fun tier. Bash is the same as our old ability except you can use it in ANY FORM! Pretty great if you don't play with a stun class. Disorienting Roar is basically a slightly longer cd Dragon's Breath that doesn't have a directional requirement. If you are getting trained a lot, this can be a great peel, as well as a way to setup clone/roots chains. Keep in mind that unlike Dragon's Breath, this does break on dot damage. Ursol's Vortex is probably the most fun, especially combined with Solar Beam, and is easily the most potent cc in the game (since you can't trinket vortex or beam). Note* - the nerf to Glyph of Solar Beam made this combo much less potent, but it still has it's uses. I find using vortex just for peeling melee is still great, and if you play an uninformed healer, they will still panic in beam, sprint out, and get sucked back in by vortex.
Tier 6 - Hybrid
This is where we remember that we aren't just a pure lazer turret class. Nature's Vigil gives you the ability to do some healing while putting out more pressure. This could be a great cd to turn the tides when you're team is getting behind. All of a sudden the other team is taking monster damage and your team is getting healed back up. Ideally, you'll be stacking Vigil with your Incarnation/Trees/on-use for extra damage. Dream of Cenarius is going to have the least use, as it is pretty passive throughout. Unless you're facing LSD 2.0 and need to keep up rejuvs on your team non-stop, the other two talents will outshine this one. Heart of the Wild is insanely good for helping your team survive during the other team's burst. The healing is stupidly powerful, and when used right, it can be gamebreaking. Against DoT teams, just having HoTW rejuvs ticking on your entire team over the duration of demon soul/incarnation/etc. can really shut down the pressure of your opponent. The passive int is nice, too, if you want another click and forget talent.
Really good point made by HackAttack3 about the viability of Moonkin in 2's (finally!), mostly due to HoTW. Playing comps such as Lazer + Rogue/Ele/Dk/etc. can be a lot more fun, since you can reset the match with a few well timed heals. Playing with a healer is still pretty painful, but at least 2 dps is a pretty good time and makes for relatively easy point capping.
Mage: This is a really great class to pair up with, no matter which spec they are. Fire Mage/Moonkin creates a very powerful dot comp referred to as "Spicy Chicken Cleave". Frost Mage/Moonkin is probably one of the best comps you can play right now, as a Moonkin.
- CC Diminishing Returns: Roots and Novas, Deep and Bash, Dragon's Breath (fire) and Disorienting Roar(talent), Polymorph and Ring of Frost (talent). Otherwise, you have a ton of CC that doesn't share DR, which is awesome. It may seem like a lot of DR share, but there is so much cc in this comp to begin with that it isn't a concern.
- Symbiosis: Decent target, but you'll most likely give it to your healer in this situation.
- CC Diminishing Returns: Bash and Rogue stuns, Roots and Paralytic Poison (talent, when shiv'd). So basically if you don't spec Bash, the DR issues are almost non existant and you have a ton of cc.
- Symbiosis: Great choice. You both earn a huge defensive cd, making your team an even harder kill.
- CC Diminishing Returns: Nothing! The cc pairing is awesome, adding fear, more silence (shadow), disarm (shadow) and whatever talents they pick up to your arsenal.
- Symbiosis: The best swap. Disc gets clone and you get Mass Dispel. Shadow only gets a weak version of Tranquility, but you still get Mass Dispel which is huge.
- CC Diminishing Returns: Stormbolt (talent) and Bash and Shockwave (talent), possible Spell Reflected CC, Staggering Shout (talent) and Roots. Even with the DR's here, I still think it's a solid amount of CC all around.
- Symbiosis: You give the warrior a root break and he gives you intervene, allowing the two of you to ping pong around the map. Sounds like super interesting gameplay to me.
- CC Diminishing Returns: Chains of Ice root (chiblains talent) and Roots, pet Gnaw and Bash. Not a ton of CC from the DK, but he does bring grip and necrotic which are such unique (and kinda OP sometimes) abilities.
- Symbiosis: Getting AMS is nice, and the mushrooms are fairly good for Unholy. You would probably use it on your healer in this case.
- CC Diminishing Returns: HoJ and Bash. Paladins don't have a ton of cc, but what they have is pretty good stuff.
- Symbiosis: Ret is decent, since you gain an additional HoJ, but they get Wrath from you, which is something that will almost never get used. Holy gets Rebirth, which isn't usable in arena, so it's pretty much a waste.
- CC Diminishing Returns: Shadowfury and Bash and pet Axe Toss. Nothing worth worrying about, so overall the team has a ton of cc choices.
- Symbiosis: An excellent pairing. Lock gains rejuv, meaning you can have hots rolling from both dps on your team and you gain a really solid defensive cd that keeps you from being silenced/interrupted for 8 seconds.
- CC Diminishing Returns: crab Pin and spider Web and Roots, Bash and Intimidation (BM), Freezing Trap and Wyvern Sting and Disorienting Roar. Overall, not much DR and tons of choices based on what pet is used and what talents you each pick.
- Symbiosis: Unfortunately, hunter is the worst pairing here, as you gain a useless talent from him. You'll be giving it to your healer in this pairing.
- CC Diminishing Returns: Earthbind (talent) and Roots and Frozen Power (talent), Capacitor Totem and Bash. Very few DR issues here.
- Symbiosis: Ele or Enh gain SOLARBEAM!! This is gamebreaking, now having 2 beams for your team every minute. Gaining purge in exchange is huge as well. Resto getting prowl can be big for the opener, as anyone who played with a resto druid knows.
- CC Diminishing Returns: Bash and Fists of Fury and Leg Sweep, Roots and Hamstring
- Symbiosis: You gain a 1 minute disarm (awesome!) and your healer will gain entangling roots or the melee will gain Bear Hug (a mediocre stun that does damage on a 1-min cd). Pairing with either can be great for you, and double bonus if the pairing is with a MW!
How to Moonkin or Which Laser Should I Press??
Moonkin is one of the coolest specs in the game. With the ability to nuke an opponent, heal your teammates, or just apply aoe pressure, the class with the best crowd control in the game offers us the chance to bring a lot of utility, while still bringing the damage. Let's start with the basics:
As a new moonkin, you'll want to know what some of the basics to the spec are. Here are some of the most important spells and abilities:
Starsurge: This is our bread and butter nuke spell. Hardcasting this anytime it's off cool down is pretty much always a good idea and we have a chance at getting instant, no mana cost procs from dot damage to cast it again. Lining up a nice SS hard cast into a SS proc can be some really nice burst.
Moonkin Form: Shifting into form reduces your damage taken by 15%, increase your damage by 10%, and give 5% haste to you and everyone around you - pretty awesome. Try and stay in moonkin as much as possible, especially with the new glyph that allows you to heal in form. Leaving form to heal is only a good idea if you're going to die otherwise or you can line of sight incoming damage (losing the 15% damage reduction is huge)
Eclipse: This is the most important mechanic for being a lazer chicken and ensuring max damage. When you first enter arena, your eclipse bar is in "neutral", or right in the center. If you cast a wrath, it will move towards lunar first. If you cast a starfire it will move towards solar first. Generally speaking, wrath and starfire work opposite of each other. SS will always move you towards whichever direction you're currently going EXCEPT when you first start an arena in neutral - in this instance, if you cast it BEFORE you cast a wrath or starfire it will always move towards solar.
What if I can't cast you ask??? How will I ever see this amazing eclipse you speak of?? Never fear, I have alternatives for you. First off, our PvP 2 piece set bonus (bonus for having at least 4 of the 5 main set pieces) is setup so that when you get hit with a critical strike, you have a chance to gain 20 energy heading towards the direction you are currently going - it has an internal cool down, but you can get to eclipse pretty fast if you're being trained. We also have a great new ability called Astral Communion that allows you to gain energy towards you eclipse while channeling. But how can I channel while running around for my life you ask? Fear not, because our new 4 piece allows us to channel it while moving! You can also use Glyph of Omens if you need more ways of gaining energy, as this will allow you to spam Faerie Fire on your target for energy. Lots of great tools for getting that big damage.
So why does someone want to get into eclipse? Solar and lunar eclipse each add damage to some of your spells. Take a look below for specifics:
Solar Eclipse: Increases damage to SS, Wrath, Sunfire, Wild Mushrooms, Hurricane
Lunar Eclipse: Increases damage to SS, Starfire, Moonfire, Starfall, Astral Storm (same function as Hurricane)
So anytime you hit an eclipse, you want to ensure that you have your dot ticking (Moonfire or Sunfire), cast SS on cd, pop Starfall if you're in Lunar, and ideally cast Starfires (lunar) into your target (assuming you aren't tanking two melee's with a lot of interrupts available. There is much more to the nuances, but we'll get to that shortly - this is just the basics of your "rotation". It’s important to note that Wrath does garbage damage, so it’s almost never worth casting and risking the lockout – there is almost always something more important you can do with utility.
Solarbeam: This spell is what makes us super annoying to the other team. By casting roots and immediately following it up with a Solarbeam on a healer, they are effectively stuck in the beam silenced for 8 seconds till the root ends. Having the ability to follow it up with a second roots is key - and if you are playing with a mage, being able to drop this on top of frozen targets is amazing for catching multiple casters at once. Sometimes, even without roots it's really great to drop on a healer behind boxes, forcing him to step into the open to heal and opening him up to giant CC chains. Being on just a one minute cd makes this a really sick spell. The ultimate pairing is with Vortex, and in RBG’s is actually the most OP cc combo in the game right now IMHO.
What makes this spell really special, is the ability to use it defensively that many people don't fully appreciate. A frost DK standing in it does almost no damage, a Ret can't CC you or do many of his damaging abilities and well placed beam around boxes (like Dalaran Arena) can allow you to really mess up burst from casters as well. Don't be afraid to drop it on a melee thats on you and stand in it if you need to relieve some pressure.
Owlkin Frenzy: This passive is really nice for when you're getting focused to allow you to do more damage. A straight 10% damage increase is nothing to laugh at, and the immunity to pushback is huge if the other team doesn't have an interrupt available - you can nuke away!
Lunar Shower: This talent really gives us the ability to keep doing damage while moving or getting trained and not go OOM. By spamming moonfire or sunfire on a target, you build up three stacks to do more damage and the spell costs very little. It's not the best damage you can do, but helps a lot when you are forced to kite or tank melee.
Wild Mushroom: Detonate: This allows you to blow up the mushrooms you place doing AOE damage. But what is more important is the 50% slow that is put on the ground for 20 secs. for 8 yards around each mushroom. Great for kiting, slowing an escaping enemy or peeling for your team.
1. Focus Macros:
GOOOOOOTTA have those focus macros. So important to be able to keep nuking your kill target while continually spamming clone/roots/hibernate etc. on your focus target. Typical macro for me looks like this:
/cast [nomod] Cyclone
/cast [mod:shift, target=focus] Cyclone
You can change 'shift' to whatever mod you prefer (for me, shift is the most used by far) and there you go! You can now easily just hold shift and hit that same button without switching targets. Make macros like this for the following spells: Solarbeam, Entangling Roots, Faerie Fire (rogues!!), Cyclone, Bash (if specced), Wild Charge (if specced - great to go bear and charge interrupt someone/stun) and Hibernate
I like to setup macros to make it easy to keep rejuv on my teammates. This can done pretty easily in a similar fashion as above, but requires some maintenance if you want good control. I'll show too methods:
/cast [nomod, target=billythemage] Rejuvenation
/cast [mod:shift, target=sammytheshaman] Rejuvenation
/cast [mod:ctrl] Rejuvenation
This will always cast rejuv on Billy when you have no mod, always on sammy when you hold shift, and on either your target if friendly or yourself if enemy targeted (and you have the option turned on in your settings to heal yourself when targeting an enemy). The positive side is you always know who you are healing. The negative is the upkeep if you switch partners a lot.
/cast [nomod, target=party1] Rejuvenation
/cast [mod:shift, target=party2] Rejuvenation
/cast [mod:ctrl] Rejuvenation
This version will always cast on party1 with no mod and party2 with shift held down. The downside of this method is that each time you enter arena party1 and party2 can be switched around. Far less upkeep though, totally up to you.
3. Form macros
Another important set of macros are power shift macros.
#showtooltip Moonkin Form
/cast !Moonkin Form(Shape shift)
Sub in any form there and you now have a macro that when you hit it takes you back into the same form without hitting caster form. This will help you break roots without leaving you vulnerable without your feathers/fur/etc. Make one for bear form, cat form, travel form, and even swim form if you like.
/cast [nostance] !Moonkin Form; [stance:1] !Bear Form; [stance:4] !Travel form; [stance:3] !Cat Form; [stance:5] !Moonkin Form; [stance:6] !Moonkin Form;
This gives you the one button power shift macro, where you can have a single button that power shifts, and other keys for each form. Either way can work, depending on your preference.
4. Trinket macros
This may sound silly, but how many times have you gotten an upgrade, forgot to put it on your bar, went to break out of cc/activate your burst trinket and nothing happened? You can avoid that by having a macro that always uses whatever's in that slot, rather than the specific trinket on your bars.
14 is your bottom slot and 13 is the top. Easy to make one for each.
I'm a big fan of having a single button to press for that burst opportunity - it saves keystrokes which could be valuable when you only have a small window to burst.
#showtooltip Berserking (if you're a troll druid)
In this macro, it casts berserking if you are a troll, uses your pvp burst trinket if it's in the top slot, casts lifeblood if you are an herbalist, and uses your engi glove if you're an engineer. Adjust to fit your race/profs. Since trinket triggers the internal cd on the engineering gloves, you can use this once for all of your big cds, and then hit it again later to just trigger the gloves.
6. Focus Set
This macro lets you mouseover a player and set them as focus. Great for bgs, rbgs, wpvp, or if you don't have gladius in arena
7. Wild Mushroom Leap
#showtooltip Wild Charge
/target Wild Mushroom
/stopmacro [noexists, harm]
/cast Wild Charge
This will allow you to leap up on a z-axis to a mushroom you've placed, if you are running Wild Charge as a talent. Very clutch when you're getting trained.
Those would be my core Moonkin macros. I'm glad to add more if people have good ones - feel free to email me/hit me on twitter! Until then, keep those lazers hot and spicy!
Comp Playstyles #1 – LSD 2.0
This is the first, in what I hope to be a lengthy series of posts on Moonkin playstyle in different 3v3 comps. I thought we’d kick it off with one of the more straight forward (and super fun) comps that is available to us: LSD 2.0
Teammates: Resto Shaman, Affliction Warlock
Ideal Talents: Displacer, NS, varies, Incarn or SOTF, Vortex, Vigil
Symbiosis: Lock will be ideal (he gets rejuv, you get a defensive CD that makes you take less damage and become immune to interrupts for a short time. Shaman is also viable (he gets prowl, you get purge) but less important, since the lock can’t stealth so it won’t be a triple stealth opener.
CC Diminishing Returns: Shadowfury & Bash & Capacitor Totem, Earthbind & Entangling Roots
Playstyle: This comp is your traditional dot cleave. The goal is fairly simple: dot EVERYTHING. I literally mean everything, including pets. The real strength of LSD 2.0 resides in getting everything low gradually, so that the healer just cannot keep up. It’s not uncommon to be playing this comp and to see the entire team die within 10-15 seconds of each other, rather than just killing one player while the others are close to topped off as can usually be the case. Popping Celestial Alignment and trinket early can start to really accelerate the pressure, especially if you toss a vortex/beam onto the healer just before popping it so that the dots can really tick away before they are able to start healing. Ideally your Lock will use Dark Soul at the same time, and you’ll find the pressure to be overwhelming. Incarnation and Nature’s Vigil can be stacked and used almost anytime you’re free to put out more pressure, since you’ll still just be dotting, surging, and casting starfall most of the time.
It’s pretty unnecessary to ever cast in this comp, outside of a rare cyclone or using Starsurge (if for some reason it comes off cooldown without proccing), so it’s pretty new player friendly with very little fear of a lockout. I recommend avoiding cloning unless necessary, as it slows your damage down – obviously you need to evaluate the situation and use it when appropriate (CC’ing a warrior with all his CDs popped should take priority over dotting him). Very little DR on CC here, as well, and almost none of it breaks on damage if you avoid taking Disorienting Roar.
- Avoid the “finish him he’s low!” mentality when playing LSD 2.0. It’s really easy to get caught up with a player that is sub 10% and wanting to finish him off. That’s really not the goal of this comp – if you just keep on dotting and switching, something will eventually die (the damage is literally unhealable). Spamming an instant into somebody to get a kill should be used sparingly, and you should rather turn to other targets to make sure they remain dotted during that time so that everything is still ticking down.
- Shaman can actually do some decent DPS. When targets are getting low, if your healer can cast without fear of a lockout, and assuming your team isn’t super low, make sure they are tossing out a flame shock/lava burst combo every now and again. Lava burst always crits. They should also be using their fire elemental and storm last totem for that little bit of extra damage for the team.
- Use your pillars. It’s pretty easy to step out, dot something, and step back in this comp. Don’t be afraid to kite around pillars, dot and hide, and really play defensively when necessary. Your dots will still be doing damage, even if you are LOS.
Com Playstyles #2 – Dancing With the Stars
This is probably my favorite Moonkin comp to play, and should be VERY powerful this season (s13).
Teammates: Sub Rogue, Disc Priest (although other healers can work)
Ideal Talents: Wild Charge, NS, varies, Force of Nature or Incarn, Roar (defensive) or Vortex (offensive), HOTW (defensive) or Vigil (offensive)
Symbiosis: Both are excellent choices. Rogue gives you Cloak of Shadows if you’re playing against a caster cleave and he gets a damage reduction CD in Growl (his version is different than the Druid version). Priest will be the go to against melee cleaves, as he gets CYCLONE!! and you get Mass Dispel (on a 1 min cooldown). Both are very gamebreaking – if they train the rogue, you have MD to get your healer out of cc; if they train you, your healer can clone without fear of diminishing returns; if they train the healer, you can get the healer out of a clutch HoJ or Strangulate or get the Rogue out of cc so he can peel the healer.
CC Diminishing Returns: Disorienting Roar & Blind & Fear, Pounce & Cheap Shot, Kidney and Bash
Playstyle: This comp is fantastic because it can burst every minute, with the lineup of Solarbeam and Shadowdance (and Force of Nature if you spec it). In the offensive version of the comp (meaning you’re not playing against something that has very front loaded burst like TSG, triple DPS, or KFC) you’ll be picking up Nature’s Vigil and Ursol’s Vortex as well. Every one of these has a one minute cooldown, allowing you to swap onto any low target with stupid burst every single minute. The defensive version of the comp (for when you need to turtle out some huge front-loaded burst) will want to pick up HOTW for some major off-healing and Disorienting Roar or Vortex for another awesome peel cc during the enemy team’s cooldowns.
The opener for this comp will always come out of group stealth from the rogue. Ideally he’ll get a sap on one of the dps, while you open with a root>solarbeam (or Vortex>solarbeam if you’re specced for it) on the enemy healer. This gives you the opportunity for your first Shadowdance (and all 1 minute cds – Starfall, Force of Nature and Nature’s Vigil) on one DPS, while the enemy healer starts falling way behind. Coming out of the sap/solarbeam combo, if you can get a cyclone/blind off on the same too people who were already cc’d, you have a very good chance of scoring a kill.
If you don’t score a kill – DONT PANIC!! This comp is not at all about scoring an early kill. If the enemy is able to stop your kill attempt, then start spreading dots/starfall. This is a good opportunity to pop Celestial Alignment and dot everything (including pets). Your rogue can then swap to whatever target makes the most sense for him (based on positioning, relative health, stun DR) and work on setting up the kill for the next Shadowdance/Solarbeam combo. Make sure you are in Eclipse before your Rogue uses Shadowdance, and you should be scoring kills in no time!
- Supposedly Starfall doesn’t hit cc’d targets in 5.2 – until we see that this is true 100% of the time, the biggest thing to watch out for in this comp is Starfall breaking Sap and Blind. Make sure you are using it wisely (and communicating it well) and that your Rogue is watching for Starfall when he goes for a Blind or Sap (it’s something he’ll become used to as you play the comp more.
- Healer kills are VERY viable for this comp. If you are good about dotting everything during the time between Shadowdance/Solar beam cds, there is a good chance the healer will be sitting at 60-70% when you swap to him. A well timed Garrote>Kidney>Solarbeam/Vortex>Paralytic Stun is horrific for a healer to deal with. If your Rogue isn’t peeled properly through this, the healer could be in for over 20 seconds straight of CC (which he will never survive)!!
- Priest having cyclone can be amazing – but watch out for DR. If you are getting trained all game, this is a great time for your Symbiosis to be on the Priest so he can keep cloning while you are unable to. Just make sure you are communicating your clones, the same way a Lock/Spriest have to do with fears when playing Shadowplay.
- Don’t forget your offheals. Even just tossing out occasional Rejuv’s (especially when you can’t cast because you’re being trained) can be huge for your healer.
Comp Playstyles #3 – Spicy Chicken Cleave
A very fun comp that can do some insane burst when played correctly.
Teammates: Fire Mage, Resto Shaman/Disc Priest
Ideal Talents: WC or Displacer, NS or Cenarion Ward, varies, Incarnation, Vortex, Vigil
Symbiosis: Your healer will be your ideal partner in this comp. The shaman will gain Prowl, allowing a triple stealth opener, while you gain purge (ensuring that everyone on the team can dispel enemy buffs). The priest will gain Cyclone (which is fantastic for ensuring targets are getting cc’d when you are getting trained and can’t cast) and you will gain Mass Dispel on a one-minute cooldown (which can literally be the difference between winning and losing a game when you can get your healer out of cc).
CC Diminishing Returns: Dragon’s Breath & Disorienting Roar; Deep Freeze & Bash & Capacitor Totem & Ring of Frost; Frost Nova & Entangling Roots & Mass Entanglement & Earthgrasp Totem & Frozen Power;
Playstyle: This comp is a hybrid between the previous two (Dancing With the Stars and LSD 2.0), in that you will be dotting everything for maximum spread damage again, but you have that nice burst window every time Deep Freeze is available for your mage. The opener against this team can be pretty nasty if the opposing team stacks up, as you have a large number of AoE cc’s available.
Typical opener for this comp will be to start dotting the entire team, while letting the mage control melee with novas and DB (DB doesn’t break on dot damage!). Since you will be avoiding speccing Disorienting Roar for this comp, the mage should be able to DB on cd without having to worry about diminishing returns. Use Celestial Alignment when you know you’ll have some free time to get dots on everything rolling (including pets) to increase pressure on the opposing team.
Kill attempts will revolve around your Mage. When going for a kill, let the mage deep the target (with the proper mage setup for procs), while you drop a vortex/beam on the healer (if attacking a dps). Fire Mages do nasty damage in a deep if setup right (sometimes 4 instant Pyroblast in a row!), so a properly timed vortex/beam, especially if you can typhoon them back inside, will easily amount to plenty of defensive cooldowns being popped by your enemy – or likely a kill!
- Play defensive – you’re entire team is pretty easy to kill for a decent melee cleave if you get overly aggressive for your kills. Don’t get baited into bad spots just to get a kill, knowing that your mage will have Deep available again in just a few seconds.
- Any target is viable – going on a healer is pretty nasty if you can keep the dps from crushing you while you’re doing it (deep, blanket counterspell, vortex/beam/ring of frost), because of the insane amount of time you can keep the healer from casting while you blow them up. DPS are also good, though, as you can shut down a healer pretty well during your kill attempts with your massive amount of cc.
- Utilize Mass Dispel – despite being on a one minute cooldown (and costing a load of mana), this can be game changing. When the KFC gets a trap off on your priest and are trying to go mongo on your mage, using MD to free your healer will ensure they have their trinket available later on.
- Keep dots rolling – although this comp has awesome burst potential during Deep Freeze, a lot of what makes it so good is the wear and tear that Moonkin dots combined with Living Bomb and Combustion from the Mage can do to the opposing healer who is trying to keep up. Avoid overwriting stronger dots when you can, but just make sure everything is dotted constantly (including pets!).
- Fight pressure with pressure – a lot of time there is the tendency to try and offheal through enemy burst, when really you should be countering them by popping your own cooldowns to push them back. Don’t be afraid to utilize massive cc and pure damage when the enemy goes mongo.
Change Log: Updated for 5.3, 6/7/13
Contributors: Udderly, Snuggli, HackAttack3