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#4244572 Cheating, AJ & You

Posted Esiwdeer on 27 October 2014 - 07:04 PM

To whom it may concern,

I have chosen to write this post in the interest of stirring some cooperative action on the part of the North American World of Warcraft community. In my humble opinion, the legitimacy of Arena Junkies has long been in decline. I am requesting that the moderatorship of this forum take more serious action against real life threats, leaked real life information, and any credible allegation of cheating.

Thesis: I believe we can greatly reduce the amount of rampant cheating on North American servers through one small, social step. I believe this step is a simple process by which cheaters can be held accountable on the general discussion forums, so long as it is civil, credible and not inflammatory. The "doxing" of prolific cheaters is a misguided(although well-meaning) start, but I believe it falls to people with actual administrator status to curb this culture of cheating.

In this post I will argue that diminishing the amount of cheating is something we must all work toward. I will attempt to show that the only option which provides any sort of efficacy is a retaliatory option. I will provide evidence which I believe shows the need for a responsive, coordinated community which holds its members accountable for the betterment of all.

Firstly, I will say that we will never eliminate cheating. Ladder exploiting, DDoSing, administrative fraud for end of season rewards -- we can never eliminate these cancers, but we can greatly reduce them. I believe that by holding cheaters accountable we can greatly reduce the occurrence and normalcy of these events. One must also consider that while this problem didn't become widespread until late 2012, cheating has been present on all battlegroups/ladders/servers/regions since the arena was introduced. We have the power to re-suppress this ideology and reinstate a culture of honor, competency, and respect for actual skill.

I will begin this post by writing about an exercise in game theory: the prisoner's dilemma. This is a very basic game model in which playing selfishly is always the dominant strategy unless cooperation can be assured. This model can be used as an analog for any game in which the opponents meet more than once.

While playing this game, one learns that they can always do well for themselves by 'betraying' their opponent(playing selfishly.) After some playing, though, you learn that you get the most reward over time through an attitude of constant cooperation. The best computer programs which have the most effective strategies for playing this game follow a sort of "tit for tat" model; if you choose the selfish option, the most effective opponents punish you for your choice each time you make it.

Or we could look to chimpanzees, grooming one another. All chimpanzees, regardless of social standing, groom and receive grooming for removal of ticks, unwanted attachments, simple hygiene and social bonding. Some chimpanzees learn that they can receive grooming and then not return it, or not return it to the same standard(careful removal of ticks, close inspection) for their own profit. Meaning to say, they get groomed for free. They choose the selfish option. These chimpanzees are the DDoSers, the wintraders, the RBG heroes of the jungle.

What kind of chimpanzee do you want to be? The chimpanzees who regularly receive the best grooming are the chimpanzees who hold grudges. By remembering someone who didn't groom you to your satisfaction and refusing to groom them in the future, the chimpanzee has effectively made himself more clean for the rest of his life. Take this one step further. Write a legible, credible, professional post detailing this chimp's selfish action, and let the community cast him out.

These symbiotic relationships exist everywhere in nature. Dawkins is famous for classifying the members of these relationships as suckers, cheats, and grudgers. From humans to chimpanzees to birds, the cheats will always try to behave the most selfishly. The suckers will do nothing - don't cheat, don't hold others accountable. The grudgers hold members of their community accountable based on memory. This is proven scientifically, and this attitude must be embraced by Arena Junkies if the upcoming expansion is going to be anything different than the scum festival that has been Mists of Pandaria.

"Tit for tat" therefore is the most effective strategy where the choices are cooperation or betrayal. We must assure cooperation, and then retaliation. Hold grudges. Let Arena Junkies have a communal memory - a record - of cheating. Disgrace cheaters. This will solve the problem.


It is a social understanding of holding people accountable which will clean up our servers and forums. And yet, posts carefully detailing the cheating of others are deleted and unfairly moderated against.

I am asking for an administrator to re-review the FAQ/posting rules for general discussion. I believe there should be a template for submitting evidence to prove someone has cheated. I believe people should be able to submit evidence in a non-inflammatory way which shows what they believe someone did wrong. If this evidence is found by the community to be credible, this subject should be permanently banned.

Administrators, there must be some retaliation against cheaters. The community which makes guides, visits streams and plays 3v3 at a Gladiatorial level is the same community that must come together to make it known who cheated, how, and for what. This is the only way it can be reduced effectively.

There must be a part of Arena Junkies which holds people accountable when the evidence is insurmountable. There must be a communal sense of justice.

Nothing ruins a game more than cheating. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. You should fear reprisal from the community, or no longer be a part of it.

This atmosphere of cheating is a toxicant created by each of us when we choose not to act. To remove this toxicant, we must choose action over inaction. Each of us, from moderators to lowly members must report posts and clamor for justice. Cheaters must be held accountable. Fake titles must be stripped, banned, corrected & made public. Anyone who cheats must be held accountable.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let Warlords of Draenor be an expansion known for honor, justice and competency.


#4240477 X-Mog!!! Let's See'em Boysc

Posted synxblaze on 23 October 2014 - 05:20 AM

Posted Image holla

#4241758 A Guide for the 1600 rogue

Posted BluBlu on 24 October 2014 - 07:53 AM


Play combat and go balls deep in the opener with RMD or play some stupid cleave.
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#4236661 More class-balance changes inc Tue/Wed restarts.

Posted Gigana on 19 October 2014 - 03:19 PM

View PostSepphie, on 18 October 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:

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#4240765 Isn't it lovely

Posted jaimex on 23 October 2014 - 09:58 AM

Your realise there is a working version right?

#4240021 Possible swapping of s15 glad mount?

Posted akatyrone on 22 October 2014 - 07:29 PM

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Posted Imageblizzard pls

#4239556 Possible swapping of s15 glad mount?

Posted Wallirik on 22 October 2014 - 11:16 AM

View PostNogahn, on 21 October 2014 - 08:32 PM, said:

btw i don't know what's wrong but they allready dqed a lot of players (not displayed in the ladder[in EU dunno about US]) such as zeepeye, bloodx (just to begin with) and i guess blizz DOESN'T take their cut offs based on arenamate/pvpratings etc.

i guess it's a different issue
If you haven't logged on since patch came your character doesn't show on the ladder. not showing on ladder doesn't automatically mean they're DQd.

#4239226 Possible swapping of s15 glad mount?

Posted pewpewpewdot on 21 October 2014 - 10:50 PM

A big new alot of pepole (booster /scripter / boosted ) got ban ive got friend doing boost with out vpn and he got ban life and alot of russkov guys got a mail also for unfair play or other stuff its real no joke the wave started

We cant see that on the ladder cuz they need to relog but they cannot Ban :'(

#4239445 Possible swapping of s15 glad mount?

Posted pewpewpewdot on 22 October 2014 - 07:03 AM

On EU pepole are getting mail from blizzard and  ban (my friend got ban life dunno for the others ) for boost / getting boosted / or even pepole with bot kick and stuff

#4239451 Possible swapping of s15 glad mount?

Posted ROKMODE on 22 October 2014 - 07:15 AM

View PostCapstone, on 21 October 2014 - 05:07 PM, said:

the only thing i can actually infer from the OP is that you get a mount for gladiator which we already knew? i don't get it

bc drakes' armor is easily distinguishable and i think the model is a little different or at least a different size than netherwing drakes

wrath shit is a sham, they all look the fucking same. also, there were drakes before ICC, you could originally get the meta achieve from naxx shit, so you could actually get a drake before the end of s5 even

cata drakes kind of look lazy but like bc drakes their armor makes them distinguishable enough that they're actually refreshing

mop dragons...smh. even if they didn't look like shit they are practically indistinguishable from the pve ones unless you have your head 2 inches from your monitor and you squint

i think both pve and pvp people would be fine with each of us getting one less dragon if we could get distinguishable ones
have you forgotten about the s8 barney dragon? that stands out quite a bit

#4235059 How Screwed are we when 6.0.2 hits on Tuesday?

Posted Call Me Teranaye on 17 October 2014 - 11:44 AM

the amount of flaws is pretty retarded and regardless whether hunter will be a dominant class or not the gameplay experience is beyond horrendous.

#4235053 Hunters in WoD

Posted Call Me Teranaye on 17 October 2014 - 11:39 AM

dmg wise : boring af
cc wise : a trap,a casted wyvern sting(which is pretty shit) or the buggiest ability in the world:binding shot and a cs.amazing.
i miss mop already.doesn't matter whether hunters are a dominant class or not the gameplay is still pretty fucking awful.

#4227718 every healer after every win in 3's

Posted Celaurthor on 10 October 2014 - 03:45 PM

View PostHordii, on 10 October 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

between queue's i just run around healing everyone i see, because i know when I get into the arena there will be a big nasty warlock to spoil my fun
Or a hunter....
Or *cringe* both.

#4227796 every healer after every win in 3's

Posted Hordii on 10 October 2014 - 04:54 PM

View PostCelaurthor, on 10 October 2014 - 03:45 PM, said:

Or a hunter....
Or *cringe* both.

let us not speak it's name

#4220605 What's the best RBG spec for Hunters? etc etc

Posted HoodzL2Pretard on 29 September 2014 - 11:22 PM

View PostSchvetolga, on 29 September 2014 - 06:15 PM, said:

Nothing. Your class is not welcome. If you absolutely have to intrude, Survival.

Actually hunters are more then fine for rbgs, its just those brainless who claim they are not welcomed.
(mainly the problem is having someone who actually is good at them in rbg and not some alt shit who have no idea how to clutch moments, take a look at the hunter that plays with invade in rbg)

example you could run double affli survival sp/destro/dkwarrior and do more then fine, also in eu there are 2hunters on 2600 in rbg legit, and as far as i know they both run mm/survival depending on ddot cleave or kill comp, rogue hunter works suprisingly well on most maps since they both have stealth and its almost impossible to not get the base unless you are retarded when you have 5others slowing/stoping them from leaving, or you can just send healer roguehunter+x to bs in arathi basin and just get the base for free etc.

just because ppl prefer x classes does not mean they are 100% right and others are useless, but most ppl wont go outside their comfort zone to run comps like survival double affli double sp warrior/dk, they could just prove to be more then fine  and actually have advantages on some maps.

but atm the more default comps does not involve a hunter as they consist of. 1 fc 3healers(holy monk paladin) 1 rogue 1 mage 1 warlock 1 dk 1 warrior + sp, or the second one, double affli sp dk warrior + mage or random class.

but anyway, all rep to abn for not giving a fuck farming his way with 5dks and 3hunters1 healer 1 arcane and shit<3