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#3872965 What to do as a Rogue in RBGs- a quick guide

Posted Unseenz on 09 April 2013 - 06:27 PM

I wrote this one out earlier because someone was asking what his job was as a rogue in RBGs, and feel like I should post it here so more people see- rogues are a lot more viable this season in rateds than last so obviously more and more are becoming interested, but might not know what to do- so here's a quick rundown. feel free to post any criticisms or questions.

Rogues are a lot better in teamfights than most of you guys give yourselves credit for, nerve strike is an amazing tool to lock down an entire line of casters, neilyo mode cheapshot everything is pretty much a 10 second cc on everyone, makes deadly throw pretty much useless in rbgs.
I usually use my subterfuge for stunning casters and applying nerve strikes, and dances for bursting down healers unless my team is wiping (then stun/silence everything). since 90% of teamfights nowadays is gorefiends grasp solar beam your biggest priority in assisting this is stunning the enemy paladin at the same time as the beam to prevent an aura mastery, this usually instantly forces a trinket -> am or bubble.

On fc maps, its not always the best idea to spend the entire game on the enemy fc (unless going for a quick cap) but when your team is falling behind i find it useful to break off and get on the efc in order to make the other teams healers drop back, and let off some pressure. Just remember, part of the reason rogues are good on fc maps is that rogues counter guardian druids. I cannot stress this enough- good guardian fcs know to use track humanoids and generally never come within thirty yards of anyone, stealth allows you to get the jump on them. in addition when a guardian is stunned with no barkskin they can't do anything, and guardians with no mobility (your job is to hinder their mobility) are sitting ducks. Make sure you dont smoke bomb during defensive cooldowns(wall, cocoon, pain suppression, spirit shell) unless you're sure to land a kill- one of my biggest pet peeves is when i see someone bomb on a flag carrier with wall up, or when im holding my bobm for after wall and i see the retard warlocks on my team toss in five chaos bolts. If your team wants/needs to make a flag push, and the efc is not in grip range, the first step is you opening on the flag carrier, make sure you have a cloak or vanish if this gets sticky, but basically this will make the other team collapse on their fc, making it extremely easy for your team to get in range to attack him/grip him in.

Temple, rogues are good at running around and killing high stack carriers by themselves, but they also have a lot of defensives that can be used while holding orbs unlike other classes like hunters, which makes them decent carriers as long as you have good situational awareness (when to pop everything on someone and collect +10, and when to sprint behind a pillar). Remember you can always fake people into the middle, and step or use cloak and dagger to get back up, this is a really useful escape tool.

Mines, one of the only maps where i ever use defensive smoke bombs, good way to shut down a beam, or you can just bomb a healer and 100-0 it in a few seconds, always zerg healers on this map when youre not spam stunning warlocks boomkins and dks, theres nowhere to hide and no LOS so you play a big part in dropping the other team before yours dies. ALWAYS try to jack carts, people are really stupid and stand on the wrong side which makes sapx3 + blind an easy cap, if your team is not going to get lava or top cart flip them upwards before they reach the side and make sure the other team doesnt flip it back, a longer travel time to the north cap = slower points for the other team.

Eots, pretty similar to teamfighting on mines, no LOS. try to hit people in the back because if your healers have a good position they should still be able to heal you, and this will make it easy for your casters to snipe the other teams overextended dps. Eots is a pretty easy map to get ninja caps on, because a lot of the bases are narrow and it's easy to find stealth at bases like mage tower and blood elf (usually pretty close to the flag due to retarded design), another strategy i utilize a lot on this bg is stand on a flag while a dk grips the defender downstairs fifty times and you cap it easily.

AB I suggest going to the LM fight, theres usually only two healers there and rogues have billions of ways to stop two healers from doing their job, as well as keeping up nerve strike on the dps. On maps like these where your healers are split up, you have to stop chaos bolts because they are harder to heal through.
On node maps it's a good idea to pressure bases by yourself because although rogues DO have good utility in teamfights, they are much more effective in 1v1 scenarios especially with two sets of cooldowns. If youre going for ninjas, ALWAYS keep track of the other teams floaters, if you are absolutely relying on getting a ninja off and not just banking on drawing people off of the teamfight, and you see an enemy floater, get someone to slow them down. Remember, when youre ninjaing your team is down a person at the teamfight so dont just walk around in stealth too long leaving your team gimped. You'll need to come out and start attacking or sapping to draw attention off fast. As you get more and more experienced in rbgs, youll know which classes to zerg down and which classes to try and cc cap on, however no one who plays perfectly should get ninjad on, it's all about predicting the defenders next move, if you mess up dont waste too much time,  just go back and start locking down casters and globaling healers again. I don't think glyph of smoke bomb is ever worth it since no one really sits outside the range and lets the bomb ride out, almost everyone that defends has some sort of ranged ability to stop caps. If your team tells you to defend a base and you dont want to just lie and say your trinkets down.


#4251187 rbgs have the highest skill cap

Posted Jahmilli_ on 03 November 2014 - 04:45 AM

View PostUnseenz, on 02 November 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

frequently players with peanut sized brains will make the argument that "3s has a higher skill cap than rbgs" whereas if they understood what a "skill cap" even refers to they would come to the realization that this is impossible

rbgs will always be both more competitive and stimulating for smarter players, those who are willing to apply knowledge of game mechanics to changes in the environment aka people who can think quickly in more than one dimension will come out on top.

let us for example imagine a situation in which two mice are placed in a box, and that they have to battle to the death. Clearly, the more physically capable, bloodthirsty mouse would come out on top and skill wouldn't be a factor [this is an analogy for playing a better comp, for all you arena people reading this].

RBGs definitely have a higher skillcap, there is so much more to do as almost every class, and the strategies can be much more complex than arenas. Unfortunately majority of the best players in the game no longer participate in them. They are far less competitive now than previous seasons, and the best teams are very mediocre compared to what they could be. The main reason people who struggle in arenas tend to excel more in RBGs aren't because they're easier, its because the teams beating them in arena don't exist in RBGs, they choose not to play them. The player pool is much much smaller.

Anyone who has actively played both RBGs and arenas at the highest level would agree its much more fun and satisfying to win a hard fought RBG with two amazing teams than to win any arena match, but nowadays that is INCREDIBLY hard to come by, it may not even exist anymore.


#4250632 rbgs have the highest skill cap

Posted Attono on 02 November 2014 - 05:01 PM

Bailamos is now a Rank 1 Gladiator as well as an RBG God so I guess we will have to hear his verdict as he has mastered both brackets to their fullest potential


#4250320 rbgs have the highest skill cap

Posted Unseenz on 02 November 2014 - 08:17 AM

frequently players with peanut sized brains will make the argument that "3s has a higher skill cap than rbgs" whereas if they understood what a "skill cap" even refers to they would come to the realization that this is impossible

rbgs will always be both more competitive and stimulating for smarter players, those who are willing to apply knowledge of game mechanics to changes in the environment aka people who can think quickly in more than one dimension will come out on top.

let us for example imagine a situation in which two mice are placed in a box, and that they have to battle to the death. Clearly, the more physically capable, bloodthirsty mouse would come out on top and skill wouldn't be a factor [this is an analogy for playing a better comp, for all you arena people reading this].


#4180960 Yo Glads

Posted Elorxo on 28 July 2014 - 12:10 PM

Glinks providing everything you could ever need to know about ddos #irony


#4096794 Started From The Bottom, Now I'm Nowhere

Posted Bigmoran on 09 April 2014 - 10:32 PM

true, would need to buy twice as much dog food


#4096767 Started From The Bottom, Now I'm Nowhere

Posted Bigmoran on 09 April 2014 - 10:14 PM

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#4096758 Started From The Bottom, Now I'm Nowhere

Posted Bigmoran on 09 April 2014 - 10:09 PM

take a swing at the champ
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#4096641 Started From The Bottom, Now I'm Nowhere

Posted Bigmoran on 09 April 2014 - 08:49 PM

tossin the pigskin like its bailamos' dignity


#4096635 Started From The Bottom, Now I'm Nowhere

Posted Bigmoran on 09 April 2014 - 08:46 PM

i conveniently have a bigger penis than you too; dont worry about how i know that. its nothing that this online pixelated community would be concerned with anyway

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#4096632 Started From The Bottom, Now I'm Nowhere

Posted Bigmoran on 09 April 2014 - 08:44 PM

call into question my sexuality all you waant bailamos, it doesnt change the fact that you constantly pursue online relationships with girls who have bigger hands and feet than you do. not to mention the fact that in every online relationship you pursue, you always get your girl stolen. you have a problem with hunters ninjaing ur precious loot. youre as bad a base defender as you are a womanizer. enjoy ur time with nymph while u can. its not long before she becomes the next victim of mr. stealyourgirl.

maybe i shoud do it. its low hanging fruit to me


#4096623 Started From The Bottom, Now I'm Nowhere

Posted Bigmoran on 09 April 2014 - 08:40 PM

damn that guy looks cute whats his number?








































































































oh wait thats me


#4095973 Started From The Bottom, Now I'm Nowhere

Posted Bigmoran on 09 April 2014 - 12:23 AM

bailamos

while i respect ur passion as an rbg leader and your prose as a writer, you always find a way to undermine any rational argument u present. if you would just write well thought out posts without the arrogance and fluff, you wouldnt have a more respected image. i know you are an attention speaker, but there comes a time where your professionalism is seriously in question.


#4095916 Started From The Bottom, Now I'm Nowhere

Posted Nexxer on 08 April 2014 - 11:11 PM

View PostBailamosx, on 08 April 2014 - 11:07 PM, said:

Oh well, I can't remember the last time anyone gave a shit about rbgs.

fix'd.


#4095907 Started From The Bottom, Now I'm Nowhere

Posted Icekingx on 08 April 2014 - 11:01 PM

View PostBailamosx, on 08 April 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

Icequeen, try expressing yourself using the English language, I'm not well-versed in Japanese anime school girl body language.
You can't read the English in the gif? I'm sorry I thought you were the intellectual savior of the unwashed masses?




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