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#4271569 Leekzy's Frost Mage Guide for 6.0.3

Posted leek on 21 November 2014 - 11:07 AM

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Hi there, I am Leekzy - a swedish guy with a (very) swedish accent who has played Mage since season 2, achieving Rank 1 and Gladiator multiple times with my highest rating ever being 3114 in Season 15. This is the first guide I've written for AJ, and it's aimed at a bit more inexperienced and newer players - although you may find that you can take something from this as an advanced player aswell!

Shoutout to Vanguards, whos Retribution guide served as an excellent template!

So what is actually different in Warlords of Draenor as a Frost Mage?

1.) Tons of abilities have been removed from the game (R.I.P. Evocation, Fire Blast and Mana Gem) and a lot of the mechanics of the spells/talents/specializations which weren't removed has changed. I recommend reading this summary if you haven't checked it out already for a lot of solid info.

2.) M-M-M-MULTISTRIKE. New stats have been added to the game which change the way we gear drastically due to the changes to some of our core mechanics (i.e. Brain Freeze).

3.) Removal of Improved Counterspell and other "blanket" silences! This is a change which affects us immensely - and although it might seem bad at first this is actually (imho) a buff to mages - more on that later!

4.) Der..Deep* Freeze now breaks on damage.

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Oh well! This might seem bad at first glance (and it's definitely a nerf), but it plays out pretty well in the actual gameplay. Let's delve into the world of Crowd Control (CC) and getting creative with Deep Freeze later on in the guide!

5.) Diminishing Returns (DR)! A lot of  changes have been made to DR's in WoD, most of which you can read here.
This changes the way a lot of Mage comps play and it's something that should be kept in mind going into WoD as a Frost Mage!

Important to note is that if you play with Ice Nova it also DR's Polymorph.

6.) WHERE THE F**K IS MY FROST NOVA???+++

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(If you're spec'd into Ice Nova, which yes, you probably are, join in)

Why... should you play a Mage in WoD?

First of all - the class is actually really fun to play in arenas at the moment! A lot of changes in WoD makes it an overall smoother and much more enjoyable experience to play a Mage in the arena. I feel like we still have a really high skill-cap and can play with every class that's in the game currently.


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Talents

Below is my default arena spec - but this is something that can and will change depending on what composition (comp) that you play and play versus.

Remember that nothing is set in stone guys, experiment, have fun - if you see something and think "hey this might make me kick that huntards ass" then by all means go for it.

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What's following is my personal approach - I feel like these are really stable choices with the most arguable one being the level 45 and 100 tier.

Level 15:
I recommend: Posted Image

This talent is amazing to have as a Mage - it really opens up for a lot of "plays" to be made both defensively and offensively and is just solid mobility in general. Practically a baby Rocket Boots. With 25 sec cooldown (CD). Go figure.

Level 30
I recommend: Posted Image

I feel like this just is the most solid choice here, sure a lot of classes have some form of purging ability which can get rid of Ice Barrier but use it with good timing and it's still a really solid defensive out and CD. Alter Time was changed and no longer resets your buffs (only HP and position), from my testing it's highly situational in its current state.

Level 45

I recommend: Posted Image

Ayay, everything is viable???

RoF is just a solid choice which enables us to get  CC rolling easier, something that is useful vs every comp you can face.

All of these talents have really good specific uses, however since Ice Ward now DR's with our other novas and RoF is a better CC to peel with Ice Ward will mostly see use versus comps that sit on the Mage from start to finish.

Frostjaw can actually be AMAZING as a peel/setup vs certain spellcleaves since it's actually a Silence - be aware Dwarfs' can remove this with Stoneform though!

Level 60
I recommend: Posted Image

Amazing talent, pretty self-explanatory.

Can be used if you are locked out on your Frost-tree to enable Ice Block anyway.

Level 75
I recommend: Posted Image

Although Frost Bomb does alright damage the utility and on demand burst that Ice Nova offers is in my opinion too good to pass up.

There are so many uses for this outside of just doing damage as it acts as a mini-stun (interrupts casts momentarily for example) that hits Area-of-Effect (AoE).

Level 90
I recommend: Posted Image
Incanter's Flow is a rather awkward talent to understand at first but once you get the hang of it it's pretty simple: you deal more damage, and if you time it well you deal A LOT more damage.
Mirror Images does a lot of damage aswell and can definitely be the way to go vs some comps, I predict that it mostly will see use in 1v1 and 2v2.


Level 100
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This talent is awkward to use, awkward to understand and it covers the screen in lazer beams. Fear not though - once you lose your Crystal virginity I doubt that you will want to go back to Comet Storm!

Although the CD of Prismatic Crystal is rather long (1,5 minutes) its definitely worth it over the underwhelming damage that Comet Storm offers in my opinion, and with some solid placement and CD usage (Lance with Icicles, 2x Frost Novas with Frozen Orb ticking is insane damage) you can actually close to slay an entire team with this talent!
Comet Storm also went down in "value" for me after they changed it so that you can't use it while being locked out on your Frost-tree.

Glyphs

A lot of choices here.
I change around my glyphs a lot depending on what I am playing vs. Most of these are pure preference!

Primary Glyphs:
Glyph of Polymorph - Highly recommended if you play with any class that might put a DoT on anything.

Glyph of Icy Veins - Now gives you 45% Multistrike instead of spell haste. Click, clack boom. Loss of the utility the haste gives though, I swap around this glyph from time to time.

Glyph of Ice Block - Makes you immune to all spells for 3 seconds after using Ice Block and unleashes a Frost Nova around you. This glyph can both save lives and act as an offensive tool, however it lost some of its value offensively for me due to the blanket silence change.

Glyph of Spellsteal - Spellsteal also heals you for 4% of your maximum health when you use it.
Really good glyph for surviving in 2v2/3v3, watch your mana however as it's very mana intensive to spam!

Glyph of Splitting Ice - Your Ice Lance and Icicles hit an additional target for 50% damage. This glyph feels really good with Prismatic Crystal, test it out for yourself.

Glyph of Deep Freeze - takes Deep Freeze of the Global Cooldown (GCD). Doesn't feel as mandatory anymore due to Deep changes.

Glyph of Regenerative Ice - You heal 4% of your maximum HP every second while in Ice Block. Really situational for 3v3, has uses in 2v2 though!

Enchants/Stat-priority

My opinion on stats comes from discussing gear with other top level Mages and testing different gear pieces out - if you got any input please reply to the thread and I'll consider editing the post!

Int > Multistrike > Haste >= Crit > Versatility = Mastery

Recommended Gems:

Multistrike.

Recommended Enchants:

Neck: Multistrike, 50-75
Cloak: 100 Multistrike and 10% Movement Speed
Rings: 30-50 Multistrike
Weapon: Mark of the Frostwolf (Multistrike), currently it costs a round 10-15k on most servers though so Mark of the Shattered Hand works just fine.

Which comps can I play in WoD as a Frost Mage?

So far it feels like you can play with pretty much every class!

If I were to predict our strongest comps based on my current experience in wargames and skirmishes I would say that these comps all will be viable:

Warrior/Mage/Healer

Rogue/Mage/Healer

Feral/Mage/Healer


Moonkin/Mage/Healer

SP/Mage/Healer

Lock/Mage/Healer


DK/Mage/Healer
might make a truly solid appearance aswell, although I haven't gotten around to trying the comp out!

Macros:

These are the macros I personally use, I recommend checking out previous Mage guides on AJ for more input since not a lot has changed macro-wise!
CLICK HERE FOR MACROS


Gearing your Mage for Arenas
Gear according to stat priorities and get 4 piece for the set bonus (serves as dispel protection mainly!) with the legs for maximum multistrike.

MY ARMORY LINK

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Gameplay!

Great, you got your Mage setup and ready to play!
... and now what?

Whether you come from TBC, WotLK, Cata or MoP into WoD one thing is certain - Mage now plays differently from any other expansion.

While I am sure the removal of Deep-Blanket for kills confuses and annoys a lot of Mages (how am I even able to kill something on my own anymore?) it's important to remember that adapting to the metagame is the single most important going into a new expansion. There is light at the end of the tunnel guys, it's just a different tunnel we're in!

Mages now rely on getting solid CC rolling on the enemy team and ramping up your damage to be able to unleash at the moment you want to burst - for examples stacking up a few icicles so that you know that when that CC lands on the enemy healer you are ready to do massive damage.

A lot comes down to managing your Ice Novas, if you are able to stack up 2 or even just 1 with some solid Fingers of Frost (FoF) or Brain Freeze (BF) procs you can do insane amounts of burst damage! Mashing the abilities right as they pop up on cooldown might make you do overall more damage but gimp your potential burst, something which is important to understand to be able to land kills.

The removal of blanket silences has really helped us land CC - fake casting is now better than ever and this change lets you do something you rarely could do since the end of WotLK - actually Deep Freeze someone, fake a Counterspell (CS) or interrupt and then actually get a Polymorph or Ring of Frost cast off straight afterwards!

A neat little trick you can use is to simply Deep Freeze the enemy healer, start casting RoF and tank the interrupt while spamming your Polymorph binding - this guarantees that you will land either the RoF or the Poly on the healer. This was not a possibility before simply due to the fact that you got blanket silenced even though you managed to fake the CS.

Another tip is to track the Dispel Cooldown of enemy healers - this was incredibly important in MoP and it still is, maybe even more so in WoD! This truly allows us to start abusing the beauty of Polymorph and our other CC's. I personally use Gladius to track it, I'm sure there are other addons which does this aswell.

Last but not least I want to share a simple yet very effective trick that I wish I knew of when I started playing mage for getting cross-CC (Crowd-Controlling multiple opponents in the arena) rolling.

Say you're looking to CC a healer, but you need to prevent a Shadow Priest from Mass Dispelling him out of your Polymorph and you do not have your CS off cooldown. What you can do is that you Polymorph the SP, while spamming your focus Deep Freeze macro on the enemy healer - these two spells should land at the same time, basically starting the double-CC. You can then cast a RoF on top of the Deep Freeze and voila, you just controlled two players by yourself without having to mess with dispels and whatnot.

Mage Streams:

Venruki
Jahmilli
Hynnix
Xaryu
Daisyduke
Proffset
Leekzy
Nolifer
Friedkitteh
Watchmeblink

Thanks a lot for reading, hopefully this gave you some form of help going into Warlords of Draenor as a Frost Mage - if you got any questions feel free to PM me on AJ or Twitch.TV - I'll try my best to reply to everyone.

In frost we trust,
Leek

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#4266088 It's just me or WoD is completely unfinished in PvP ?

Posted Eowynnz on 16 November 2014 - 02:55 PM

I'm guessing they're gonna roll in a flat 50% healing reduction in pvp and call it a revolutionary way to change pvp for the better.


#4264498 Estimated Time: 3 hrs

Posted basanx on 15 November 2014 - 12:24 AM

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#4259449 one love

Posted Swack on 09 November 2014 - 11:08 PM

That's a lot of dodgers in one place.


#4258438 True Blizzcon Winner = Dampening

Posted Voksen on 09 November 2014 - 12:58 AM

View PostCreamo, on 08 November 2014 - 11:48 PM, said:

Let's get rid of dampening and go back to 45 minute MLS mirrors guys

There are actual solutions that wouldn't take us back to that.

Take away casts, non obvious cc chains, mana burns, drains, dispels, mana/energy management being a thing, etc....and you're down to repeated, scripted cycles of burst+cc.  The game got made dumb and one-dimensional after wotlk.  Without any kind of real push/pull complexity and giving every class pretty much every kind of ability, of course you're going to have a metagame which shortcuts to comps that tend to win in the opener, comps that cheese 45 minute games, or comps that win based on rng procs, pathing, crits, etc.

Dampening was a bandaid for the 45 minute turtles, which themsleves were a byproduct of making the game more accessible to console players and shitty little add kids.


#4258399 True Blizzcon Winner = Dampening

Posted BalanceRexxar on 09 November 2014 - 12:23 AM

The main thing I noticed about the LSD 2.0 versus many other teams is that as LSD 2.0 you don't really need to worry about killing nearly as much as other comps, you can put a lot more thinking into survival where as other teams like Skill Capped EU not only has to worry about keeping themselves alive but managing to score a kill while doing that. Bleached Bones just has to live and in time they will win not requiring too much thought at all. Don't get me wrong both teams are phenomenal but you just have to take into account those two primary aspects of WoW arena, living and killing.


#4258825 BlizzCon® 2014 Opening Ceremony and eSports – Free Live Streams

Posted Jim_Jim on 09 November 2014 - 11:06 AM

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More serioulsy, it was really fun to watch. I love when commentators are screaming :D
If someone from Blizzcon doesn't need his Grommash-murloc pet...

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#4258285 BlizzCon® 2014 Opening Ceremony and eSports – Free Live Streams

Posted Kettu on 08 November 2014 - 10:28 PM

Eastern Usa won !!!


USA USA USA

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#4257805 How did Looney get to blizzcon?

Posted Wallirik on 08 November 2014 - 08:40 PM

why would he camp a pillar with a monk that can then freely LoS everything? oh my god fuck you're stupid rofl delete your account


#4257913 BlizzCon® 2014 Opening Ceremony and eSports – Free Live Streams

Posted Phatxyo on 08 November 2014 - 08:58 PM

View Postjaimex, on 08 November 2014 - 08:56 PM, said:

someone who has faced both those teams many times

and that automatically gives you the right to call everyone random duelists? get your head out of your ass


#4257202 BlizzCon® 2014 Opening Ceremony and eSports – Free Live Streams

Posted joefernandes on 08 November 2014 - 06:35 PM

View PostDizzeeyo, on 08 November 2014 - 06:32 PM, said:

glad to see he learned from his mistake in game three

nvm trinkets roar into cyclone :D

he trinket fear into roar + clone you dumb fuck


#4257004 official push push fan thread

Posted Kettu on 08 November 2014 - 01:32 PM

Spoiler

But then again, his serial number ain't 1586 1780 672 1756 EU


#4256224 BlizzCon® 2014 Opening Ceremony and eSports – Free Live Streams

Posted Beargryllsx on 07 November 2014 - 10:02 PM

Holy shit this Lore guy should just shut the fuck up


#4254979 Anyone playing MOP AT?

Posted Covlol on 07 November 2014 - 02:56 AM

View Postkrontotheiic, on 07 November 2014 - 02:44 AM, said:

because live atm is so much more enjoyable huh?

It actually is...


#4254454 Anyone playing MOP AT?

Posted Wallirik on 06 November 2014 - 02:04 PM

Well it's jaime what do you expect




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