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#4601566 Legion Season 1 begins September 20

Posted Dizzeeyo on 29 August 2016 - 12:05 AM

copy pasting this from mmo at the request of Rinnegan - it's extremely detailed and should be useful for those of you intending to play legion who maybe haven't exactly understood how things will work

(if a mod wants to reformat this post in a slightly more friendly way then feel free)

in Legion there are 3 systems that make your character stronger in PvP:

1. PvP Talents

- PvP talents (also called Honor Talents) are an addition to your normal talents
- PvP talents are only active in PvP combat
- engaging in any kind of PvP activity (Skirmish, Battleground, Arena, Rated Battleground) will award you honor
- in Legion honor is no longer a currency but works just like XP
- the more honor you earn the more PvP talents you will unlock
- honor gain is not gated => you can farm all of your PvP talents within a few days if you play and win a lot

2. Artifact Weapon

- in Legion you will always be wearing the same exact weapon: your Artifact Weapon
- shift + right-clicking on your Artifact Weapon will open a new "talent tree" (in Legion you have normal talents, PvP talents and Artifact talents/traits)
- your Artifact talents/traits are passive talents (+ one new active ability) that make your character considerably stronger
- Artifact Power unlocks 54 points that you can spend on your Artifact talents/traits (just like honor unlocks your PvP talents)
- at the beginning you have 1 point to spend on your Artifact talents/traits (the more Artifact Power you farm, the more points you will unlock to spend on your Artifact talents/traits)
- Artifact Power is earned through every single activity in Legion (Quests, Dungeons, Rares, Skirmishes, Arenas, Battlegrounds etc.)
- in Legion you have a new garrison called Order Hall (or Class Hall)
- completing Work Orders in your Order Hall will award you with Artifact Research Notes
- using Artifact Research Notes will grant you Artifact Knowledge, increasing the rate at which you earn Artifact Power (Artifact Knowledge is a multiplier on the Artifact Power you earn)
- this means that the more Work Orders you complete in your Order Hall, the more Artifact Power you get from winning a Battleground (as an example)
- and here is how the soft-gating works for Artifact Power (this is important):

• you start with 1 point to spend on your Artifact talents/traits and an Artifact Knowledge of 1.0
• to get the 2nd point you need to earn 300 Artifact Power
• let's say that winning one Battleground awards 100 Artifact Power
• at this point your Artifact Knowledge is 1.0, hence the 100 Artifact Power you earn through winning a Battleground are multiplied by 1.0 => 100*1.0 = 100 (nothing changes)
• you keep winning Battlegrounds and you earn more and more Artifact Power until you have unlocked 13 points
• now you realize that to unlock the 14th point you need a total of 6840 Artifact Power (which is like 7 times more than what you needed for the 13th point)
• you would have to win 69 battlegrounds with your current Artifact Knowledge of 1.0 to unlock the 14th point
• that's why you go to your Order Hall and start a Work Order that will reward you with Artifact Knowledge
• this Work Order takes up to a week to complete so you should start this Work Order asap (before you start farming Artifact Power)
• once the Work Order is completed your Artifact Knowledge increases to let's say 1.5
• so now winning a Battleground awards you 150 Artifact Power because the base 100 Artifact Power are multiplied by 1.5 => 100*1.5 = 150
• as a result we learn that the duration of the Work Order is the soft-gating mechanism
• you won’t be able to complete your Artifact Weapon as fast as you’d like because at a certain point your Artifact Knowledge will simply not allow for farming Artifact Power effectively
• only farm Artifact Power (AP) if your Artifact Knowledge is 'in balance' with the AP cost of the next point you want to unlock
• catch-up mechanic for your Artifact Weapon: to help alts earn Artifact Power faster later in Legion, the Work Order duration is reduced over the course of the expansion
• six months from now your fresh level 110 character will be able to complete A LOT of Work Orders within a few minutes so that he/she can start farming Artifact Power effectively immediately, because of a significant amount of Artifact Knowledge. (winning a Battleground six months from now will award you with let's say 3500 Artifact Power (instead of the current 100) so that you will unlock your first 9 points instantly)

- on top of the 54 points to spend on your Artifact talents/traits, you can enhance your Artifact Weapon with 3 Artifact Relics
- these Artifact Relics work like gems that can be socketed into your Artifact Weapon
- each Artifact Relic increases the ilvl of your Artifact Weapon and adds another rank to one of your Artifact talents/traits
- in case these Artifact Relics should be active in instanced PvP, then they will most likely have a chance to drop from the boxes you get after winning matches in PvP (edit - relic trait effects are inactive in rated pvp, but the ilvl boost for your weapon is active)

3. Gear

- in Legion PvP gear can no longer be purchased
- winning a Skirmish or a Battleground will award you with a box that can contain a blue 810-825 ilvl piece of PvP gear
- winning a rated Arena match or rated Battleground will award you with a box that can contain a blue or epic 840-880 ilvl piece of PvP gear
- in addition, your first 2 victories in all rated brackets each week award you with a guaranteed blue or epic 840-880 ilvl piece of PvP gear
- each bracket rewards gear (840-880 ilvl) based on your rating in that particular bracket

• you get 2 pieces of PvP gear (840-880 ilvl) from 2v2 with an ilvl based on your 2v2 rating each week
• you get 2 pieces of PvP gear (840-880 ilvl) from 3v3 with an ilvl based on your 3v3 rating each week
• you get 2 pieces of PvP gear (840-880 ilvl) from RBG with an ilvl based on your RBG rating each week

- so be sure to push your rating in all 3 brackets
- on top of the guaranteed 6 pieces of PvP gear (840-880 ilvl) you can keep playing Arenas/RBGs with a chance to get more gear (840-880 ilvl) from the boxes. this will make winning Arenas/RBGs more exciting.
- here is my guess on what rating you need to get better gear:
(couldn't test this on Beta because rated PvP was never enabled - I created the following list based on blue posts and Legion PvP items in the database - not 100% accurate)

• 0000-1500 rating => 840 ilvl
• 1500-1700 rating => 845 ilvl
• 1700-1900 rating => 850 ilvl
• 1900-2100 rating => 855 ilvl
• 2100-2300 rating => 860 ilvl
• 2300-2500 rating => 865 ilvl
• 2500-2700 rating => 870 ilvl (epic Elite Gear)
• 2700-2900 rating => 875 ilvl (epic Elite Gear)
• 2900-3xxx rating => 880 ilvl (epic Elite Gear)

- ALL PvP gear also has a chance to be titanforged, increasing its ilvl by 5 or 10 or 15 or more if you are extremely lucky. the maximum titanforged ilvl in Legion Season 1 is 895. example: if you have 3000 rating in 3s, then a box might contain a triple-titanforged 895 ilvl piece of PvP gear ( 880 (base ilvl) +5 (first titanforged-roll) +5 (second titanforged-roll) +5 (third-titanforged-roll) = 895 )
- PvE set bonuses, enchants, legendary bonuses, or trinkets will be deactivated in instanced PvP

Discussion A: "r1 Gladiator 880 ilvl" vs. "fresh level 110 in greens"

- everyone who joins Skirmishes, Battlegrounds, Arenas or RBGs at level 110 will have a base ilvl of 800 even when your actual ilvl is still 780 from questing etc.
- this base ilvl will increase each season
- so in Legion Season 2 your fresh level 110 character with an ilvl of 780 will have an ilvl of let's say 850 in instanced PvP

- any stats you have on the gear you are wearing are nullified in instanced PvP
- every spec has a preset of stats that is active in instanced PvP
- in instanced PvP only the ilvl of the gear you are wearing matters
- the stats of the preset are increased by 0.1% for every point your ilvl goes above ilvl 800
- as soon your ilvl is higher than 800, you will get a tiny bit stronger in PvP (e.g. if your ilvl is 810 the stats on your PvP preset increase by 1%)
- conclusion: the r1 Gladiator with 880 ilvl has only 8% more stats in instanced PvP than the fresh level 110 in greens. that’s roughly the same increase that a mere 8 ilvl increase gives in Warlords of Draenor.

Discussion B: will my opponents ever have better gear than me in rated PvP?

- as long as you climb the ladder gradually, you will always fight players with a similar ilvl
- players with 2200 rating, for example, will have an average ilvl of 860 after a few weeks on that rating. these players will only be fighting other players who also have an ilvl of 860
- exception: let's say a player has 2500 rating in 2s but only 1900 rating in 3s. this player will have an average ilvl of 865 because of his 2s rating, which means he will fight players with a slightly lower ilvl of 850 in 3s.
• 15 more ilvls equals 1.5% more stats, which is really not that much
• players with a rating of 2500 in 2s usually have a similar or even higher rating in 3s
- there is no catch-up mechanic for alts that start pushing rating/farming gear mid-season
- so the only players who will be at a 'disadvantage' gear-wise are r1 Gladiators who want to push rating on an alt mid-season
- conclusion: while you might fight an 880 ilvl r1 Gladiator in a skirmish or Battleground, you will always be fighting PvP players with a similar ilvl to yours in rated PvP

Discussion C: PvE gear vs. PvP gear in instanced PvP

- in Legion there won't be any PvP-specific stats (like PvP Power or Resilience etc.)
- an 850 ilvl piece of gear you got from PvE will be just as powerful as an 850 ilvl piece of gear you got from PvP
- the 850 ilvl piece of gear you got from PvE will increase the stats on your PvP preset by 5%, just like the 850 ilvl piece of gear from PvP would
- a player in Heroic Dungeon gear (825 ilvl) will be just as strong as a player in full Battleground/Skirmish gear
- a player in Heroic Raid gear (865 ilvl) will be just as strong as a PvP player on Duellist-Gladiator rating (2v2, 3v3, RBG)
- a player in Mythic Raid gear (880 ilvl) will be just as strong as a PvP player on r1 rating
- this means that if you are a Mythic raider, you will always have a tiny bit more stats than your opponents in PvP until you fight r1 players
- disclaimer: there is still a possibility that Blizzard will nerf PvP gear hard in PvE (for example by removing 1 secondary stat from PvP items) - but seeing that only the best PvPers will have a chance to join Mythic raids and only the best PvErs will have have an advantage in rated PvP - a nerf to PvP gear shouldn't be necessary
- conclusion: PvE gear won't be an issue in instanced PvP because Blizzard has limited the power gap gear can create in PvP (in instanced PvP: a player in full 880 Mythic Raid gear has only 8% more stats than a player in full quest greens)

Discussion D: World PvP

- World PvP in Legion won't have any rules
- out in the world nothing will be nullified, nothing will be disabled, there won't be any stat presets, nor will your ilvl be magically increased
- on top of your PvP talents: PvE set bonuses, enchants, legendary bonuses and trinkets will all be active
- this will make World PvP wild and fun
- a r1 Gladiator or Mythic raider will have 80% more stats than your fresh level 110 toon and he will one-shot you...and honestly? - this is how it should be in World PvP
- slay Dragons or participate in balanced, instanced PvP and at the end of the day you will be able to hold your own in the open world
- and don't be afraid: there won't be many r1 Gladiators/Mythic raiders with an ilvl of 880. the majority of players will have an ilvl of around 850 which can be obtained through a variety of activities that don't require you to be the best at the game.
- something to note for PvP players: enchants and trinkets are disabled in instanced PvP, but they work in World PvP/Duells. so don't forget to enchant your gear and wear trinkets if you want to maximise your gear for World PvP.
- conclusion: World PvP will be frustrating at times because the game isn't balanced around it (for obvious reasons), but the stronger your character gets the more fun it will be!

Discussion E: the impact of Artifact Weapons on PvP

- in Legion they have drastically reduced the power gap gear can create in rated PvP
- the PvP talents seem to be well balanced and can be unlocked quickly
- the preset of stats for every spec can be adjusted easily to make balance changes in PvP without affecting PvE
- the Artifact Weapon, on the other hand, could potentially bring a bit of imbalance to rated PvP
- read "2. Artifact Weapon" now, if you haven't already
- completing Work Orders in your Order Hall will award you with Artifact Research Notes
- using Artifact Research Notes will grant you Artifact Knowledge, increasing the rate at which you earn Artifact Power
- a player who starts completing these Work Orders from the first week onwards will always have a stronger Artifact Weapon than someone who hits level 110 in the middle of the ongoing PvP season
- missing even 2-3 weeks worth of Work Orders or not having the time to effectively farm Artifact Power will make you fall behind when it comes to Artifact Weapons
- some Artifact talents/traits make your spec noticeably stronger => to stay competitive you will want to keep your Artifact Weapon up to date for the whole season
- Artifact Weapons also make multiclassing more time-consuming, resulting in lesser player participation/longer queue times in rated PvP
- my guess is that Blizzard will reduce the duration of the Work Orders at the end of every season, so that alts have a chance to catch up on Artifact Power for the new season
- PvP seasons will be much shorter in Legion so not being able to fully catch up on an alt mid-season won't be that big of a deal
- disclaimer: maybe I went a little overboard and the Artifact talents/traits that players will unlock during the first PvP season won't actually make a huge difference in power - we will know when the time comes
- conclusion: you should probably level all your PvP characters to 110 and start the Work Order in your Order Hall immediately (if you want to play competitively in the first PvP season of Legion)

#4599679 Artifact Weapons, Offspecs, and PvP

Posted Ickz on 19 August 2016 - 12:48 AM

View PostEverRog, on 19 August 2016 - 12:44 AM, said:

Yes, thats exactly what i want, i want to be able to connect with a class and find someone to play arenas and just spaming q's. And when i want to change my class id want to do the same. I came from sc2, a game ive played some years and i was watching koreans on twitch/youtube all the time and then spam q's to practise what ive learned with no gear/lv limitation, you just play with your mmr. I now its not the same game and is isnt even a MMORP but if i just like arenas why i should spend hours and hours and hours (when i already did it to level all my characters) in order to play arenas? The only reason i play wow its because of arenas, why should i just focus in one character? What happen if my friends play the same one or another classes with no synergies with mine?

Should i quit legion as i did with sc2? xd

You and all the people complaining about this are playing the wrong game/genre. Arena is just PvP in a MMO. WoW is not a competitive esports game like SC - or LoL/CS/I guess now OW? If you want that feeling of being able to just jump in and compete, you should be playing another game - not a MMO.

#4601428 Undead or blood elf for Legion?

Posted sarggiz on 28 August 2016 - 12:16 PM

Orc rogue is insane atm.. so go orc, not ud or belf

#4387880 What macros /addons do i need?

Posted glonglon on 15 February 2015 - 02:12 PM


I would recommend :
  • Gladius for arenas, It also includes a nice DR/dispell tracker.
  • Omnibar if you play a caster.
  • Battlegroundstargets for RBGs.
  • Successful interrupt announcer, to know if you successfully interrupted a cast.
Please never install gladiatorlossa ! If you want to improve your gameplay you need to practice your game awareness !

The rest is mostly personal preference :
  • I like reflex for the arenas history.
  • I like postal to manage my letterbox.
  • I like HandyNotes to manage my garrison.
  • I like Weakauras because you can do a lot of interesting stuff with it, by far my favorite addon.

View Postfinallyausername, on 16 January 2015 - 10:07 AM, said:

How do i use focus macros more effectively or focus in general?

Especially in random battlegrounds there are waay too many opponents to keep track.

I mostly use mouseover macros in RBG.

For arenas targeting in 3s I use : mouse wheel-up, mouse wheel-down, and wheel button.

wheel up : tar 1
wheel down : tar 2
wheel button : tar 3

shift+wheel up : focus 1
shift+wheel down : focus 2
shift+wheel button : focus 3

alt+wheel up : main cc 1 (fear if you play a warlock)
alt+wheel down : main cc 2 (fear if you play a warlock)
altl+wheel button : main cc 3 (fear if you play a warlock)

ctrl+wheel up : secondary cc 1 (spell lock if you play a warlock)
ctrl+wheel down : secondary cc 2 (spell lock if you play a warlock)
ctrl+wheel button : secondary cc 3 (spell lock if you play a warlock)

View Postfinallyausername, on 16 January 2015 - 10:07 AM, said:

if i try to use ALT or CTRL i'll usually fatfinger the windows keyand they feel uncomforable reachin alt to 7.I got a Logitech g600 over a month ago. How the fuck am I supposed to use this thing? Im still using only 2 buttons...its just easier to even reach a 7...how do others use gaming mice?

I prefer G700s over G600/naga. Less buttons but easier to reach.

To solve your fatfingers problem you could simply bind the alt and ctrl modifiers to your mouse.

Hope this helps,

#4601104 New ban wave for bots

Posted Dizzeeyo on 25 August 2016 - 09:27 PM

View PostBawn, on 25 August 2016 - 08:47 PM, said:

assuming said bot cant run dungeons
oh they can, lol

#4600777 New ban wave for bots

Posted Nicholaes92 on 24 August 2016 - 08:15 PM

A week before legion hits all the "hbs" get a complimentary 6-12 month/perma banned.

Get fucked

#4600327 PROOF @hydrahacked

Posted Zaephyr on 22 August 2016 - 10:04 PM

It's time for the four year reminder of the fact that even though everyone on AJ is currently bickering and squabbling among themselves, insulting each other, and calling everyone snakes, there was once a member among us whose name is actually so infamous, that to mention it is a sin.

I of course am talking about X*****

For this year, I thought i'd start off with this quote - which lets be honest, is hilarious.

View PostXandyn, on 27 August 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Khuna logged on the account and disbanded the team (and Blizzard can see this)
Khuna bought the 2 months game-time

I didn't forge the ID's.

Further to this I'd like to provide a couple of the best images from the thread for your consumption

Thanks wolo for this

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And the other version

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And finally, whoever made this, you're a legend:

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This is to serve as a reminder that no matter how toxic, or how bad we are, we will NEVER be as much of a cockwomble as this guy.


#4600246 Artifact girding and PVP honor talents. Is this gonna be an issue?

Posted Bawn on 22 August 2016 - 07:21 PM

i mean all this does is instead of having you gear up for every season, you farm the entire expansion's "gearing" in 1 go, so instead of coming back 2 seasons later and finding yourself getting completely smashed by people who are 2 seasons ahead of you in gear, you can come back and be in the same level.

same goes if you start leveling a new toon and start queing, you'll for sure be behind, but not behind in the sense of "gear" because you can still outplay people who has more artifact power than you, sure its unfair still, but trust me, its nothing like being behind in gear from other expansions (mop/wod).

now sure this is only for 1 spec, but as long as you do your artifact knowledge every time its up (npc in your class hall that you feed resources to every now and then), its gonna be a breeze to level your second spec after you're done with your main spec.

plus its a hundred times more fun to do this than it was to gear up from bgs, you can literally do ANYTHING and still be working towards completing your artifact, no longer obliged to queue hours just to get geared, you can still do that and do other things without getting burnt out.

overall i think this system will work amazingly.

#4600177 Trinket script not working

Posted mich126 on 22 August 2016 - 01:06 PM

Try that, should work i think, lemme know

#4599502 Thoughts On Blizzard's DQs

Posted Xonika on 18 August 2016 - 10:27 AM

should ban people before the qualifiers instead of wasting time waiting and randomly banning them 1 by 1, so you dont get a plane to regionals and end up getting dqd

#4599475 Thoughts On Blizzard's DQs

Posted Bluckstack on 18 August 2016 - 01:55 AM

Point 4) from Odra is quite strong, acc sharing is getting punished far more than downloading hacks for the game which is ridicolous, many european players have used hacks during online qualifications the past 2 years and on ladder too, this should be something that should carry a life time ban from lan events but still its something they dont touch AT ALL, then you see russians using every hack in the game, flyhacking etc or people on pve sellings pilots non stop too but thats something they dont wanna touch.

On the other hand, there wont be any "proffesional scene" without a monetary reward, which is why many people from the scene are forced to boost in order to keep the dream alive, if they cannot provide a reasonable monetary prize they should either close any tournament and call the game a non e-sport or just focus on the game rather than focusing on punishing the people playing it. Furthermore the people they are punishing are those who do more for the game itself maintaing a competitive scene which should be great for developers in order to fix/improve their game with less work and less time, but thats not even close to the reality, the proffesional wow player for blizzard matters nearly nothing and thats been like that for a long time, its just that every year it gets worse.

Facing it, most of the people who takes this game serious on a proffesional/semi proffesional level knows that they wouldnt get this level on a different game in a short period of time, otherwise many of them would have quitted wow a long time ago since the respect/support for the proffesional gamer outside here is much much better. Im often very critical with this stuff and I dont wanna be misunderstood: this is regarding the direction they choose on the game, their events are good and people who goes to regional/blizzcon usually have pretty much everything they need, its outside those events where the 'pros' care so little and have no impact on nothing related to the future wow path.

#4599466 Thoughts On Blizzard's DQs

Posted Odrareg on 18 August 2016 - 01:39 AM

i guess there's a few things to point out:

1) seeing yourself disqualified while others ""cheat"" as much as you and still get their title is just unacceptable. not sure why the rules have to be different for each player

2) i agree that blizzard could focus on having a nicer pvp scene rather than desperately "save the integrity of their game" JUST for when tournaments come

3) point #2 is hard to sustain though as it's probably different teams within their company handling different sections of their game-management. Holinka doesn't really look after disqualifications i believe, and he's potentially the one to blame for the pvp aspect of the game being so lacking; hence why it's just a matter of policies that come from the higher ups of blizzard. they could stop disqualifying people and we could still have a shit game and ashran.

4) the most embarassing and biggest issue is how account sharing is punished far more than wintrading and flyhacking and such, especially cause it could be argued that account sharing is not exactly "cheating". i personally think that buying a boost gives you an advantage with an outside source not related to the game at all, which is your IRL currency. regardless of it being ethically wrong or even good for the game, it can't remotely be compared to flyhacking/kickbotting. I don't understand why the video Jaime posted is incriminating enough for Blizo to be disqualified, where as lord grappling posts videos of himself flying and cheating the hell out of the game, getting away with it (as far as i know - i hope to be wrong).   i'm simply convinced that "stealing the spot of a duelist running for gladiator" is not really as bad as winning against anyone else just because you can fly through the arena match (theorethically the duelist could queue up and get those extra 5 points to be above cut off - however that's not going to be possible if he can't win the game because his opponents are unhittable and can fly below the ground when needed).

#4599211 jesus christ this is getting old

Posted Tsx on 17 August 2016 - 04:42 AM

View Postjaimee, on 17 August 2016 - 12:47 AM, said:

nice, keep insulting a superior region and maybe your shitty one might get a bit better this expansion.
i knew turbo has melted your brain, but oh boy it's worse than i thought :(

#4599166 jesus christ this is getting old

Posted dame on 17 August 2016 - 01:00 AM

View Postjaimee, on 17 August 2016 - 12:47 AM, said:

nice, keep insulting a superior region and maybe your shitty one might get a bit better this expansion.

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#4599157 jesus christ this is getting old

Posted drzy on 16 August 2016 - 11:50 PM

View PostNgtyo, on 16 August 2016 - 11:43 PM, said:

i dunno what is the worst trolls trolling trolls or you guys taking that shit too seriously

Nobody takes it seriously. It's dumb when Blizzard tries to promote this site as a premier source of PvP knowledge (which they have done within the past two expansions), but all it has boiled down to is a bunch of EU players wishing death upon a person they have never met anywhere outside of a dead video games forum, and then those same EU players arguing about boosts/who is a worst player.

Like I said, just shut this website down already or wipe all the trash from it. I'd rather see no activity than negative activity.