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#4592188 Opinions on Legion

Posted Voksen on 19 July 2016 - 07:57 PM

Numbers matter for lots of things, but like others have implied - millions of X doing Y doesn't make Y good/bad.  Raw counting is a primitive operation but a good indicator for popularity.  Its a well-established quantifier for MMORPGs.  For arena/pvp in this kind of genre, it -is- all about the numbers game.  

On a macroscopic scale:  You lose subs --> you lose social interactions --> you lose queues --> you lose stuff to do = boring and less fun for most ppl --> you lose the point of logging on.  Pretty soon you even lose the point of keeping WoW's 30+ GB installed.

Subscription count is like your most significant raw input to the "fun equation" for MMORPGs.  The game can be shitty and buggy and unplayable or it can be amazing, but if no one else gives enough fucks to play --> you're basically a single player indie product on steam.

Sub count feeds into estimators for popularity/activity across all sub-genres within the WoW game environment (PvP vs. PvE vs. AH gaming vs. pet battles etc.).  True, a quote of 2 million "subs" quickly whittles down and loses some predictive power and objectivity.  Removing multiple accounts, misc. random noise, etc. --> reduces the numbers to ~200,000 semi-active, casual players with unique IDs.  That drops down even further when you start looking at sessions logged, what hours/time logged-on/off, and instances queued.  By the time you start looking at the % subset of people actually doing arenas for more than points cap or anything semi serious, you get to a very small pool of players...

In 2016, being an S18 gladiator means you're in the top 1% of a pool of maybe 15,000 remotely active arena players.  So that's a lot fewer tryhards than say S8 gladiator where there were probably 200,000 people who could properly be considered competitors.  And by a lot I mean like several sigma on a normal curve.  Basically, being good/thebest at something that few people try at is a lot less statistically impressive then being good/best at something that everyone has to do anyway.

Like others have stated, Legion will roughly be about 1/2 as popular as WoD was.  Final nail in the coffin for PvP, but I guess still a decent PvE option for fans of western-centric MMORPGs.   In Legion like in WoD, if you're 2800+ you'll know all the 30 relevant people in the PvP world.   Most will already be on your bnet flist.  The other 5000 tryhards will be essentially scattered throughout no-name elo hell.  Thats not something thats going to be solved unless you get a full purge or go back to basics (i.e. private servers).

#4591510 <Abolished> Saying my goodbyes.

Posted Zaephyr on 16 July 2016 - 10:11 PM

fucking hell man nobody cares

#3956876 Why is Blizzard retarded?

Posted Nisslol on 07 October 2013 - 12:01 AM

View PostYubel, on 06 October 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

You're an idiot.

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Your move.

#3956405 Why is Blizzard retarded?

Posted Djandawg on 06 October 2013 - 12:36 PM

View PostYarmyxx, on 06 October 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

luckily i didnt have ur parents , ''gaming since i was four'' and ur bragging about it,but ur a dk so what can i say...
what were you doing? banging supermodels on your yacht cruising in Caribbean since you were four?

#3956186 Why is Blizzard retarded?

Posted Nitric on 06 October 2013 - 02:19 AM

of all the retarded things blizzard does/has done, this is what you complain about?

#3958481 very rare twitch page for wow

Posted Bigmoran on 08 October 2013 - 03:22 AM

such stream~

#3959042 very rare twitch page for wow

Posted Antitaleon on 08 October 2013 - 05:00 PM

the really fat whore with the glasses was asking for donations in order to reach $60,000 to get to blizzcon, when someone asked her why do you need that much for blizzcon she replied "i want to go with a private plane because i feel uncomfortable flying with other people"

the 60k message was rolling on the top of her screen, she later just changed it to 70k

then she said it was her dream from since when she was a kid, and shes been "playing" for like only a few years or smth

took 1 look at her stream for 2mins and already knew who she was, incredibly STUPID ( not only saying it as an insult, but literally really really dumb ) slut who makes money off of virgins donating to her cleavage, most disgusting shit i ever came across on twitch since that emo kid rubbed one out on cam

#3959726 Got Grievous weapons. uhmm. not much different.

Posted Rawrbertlol on 09 October 2013 - 11:27 AM

If anything, this entire thread should just be evidence that the rating requirement needs to come back to post things here. Anyone who truly in their mind believes that rogue mobility is better than warrior, needs to be in the Ask a Gladiator Section, because their knowledge of the games mechanics are mediocre at best. :/

#3959585 very rare twitch page for wow

Posted Capstone on 09 October 2013 - 08:08 AM

View PostFeliclandelo, on 09 October 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's amazingly hard to take women talking about equal gender rights seriously.
yea it's because of the twitch streams when i want to keep women quiet about their rights i always bring up the fact that (sometimes) there are (some) women with the most watched vod clips in the world of warcraft portal of twitch.tv

i mean people advocating gender equality...who can make that argument when the atrocities of twitch.tv are going on in our generation

#3958553 very rare twitch page for wow

Posted Justwoo on 08 October 2013 - 05:14 AM

any1 wanna rep wintrade

#3958505 very rare twitch page for wow

Posted CreepStatus on 08 October 2013 - 03:53 AM

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#3958445 very rare twitch page for wow

Posted Snackumz on 08 October 2013 - 02:56 AM

so i have been busy with stuff this semester and decided to have a look at the twitch page with all the ongoing streams and videos for the week when i saw something interesting.Posted Image

*wow* *very rare*

#3956897 Bigmoran 4.20 - RMD Video ft. Toke Bombs

Posted Bigmoran on 07 October 2013 - 12:16 AM

I was planning to release this video at exactly 4:20 PM my time, but I guess my computer got too baked and decided to overheat while render was at 94%. Instead I'm releasing in time for 4:20 Alaska time. So if you're up there, freezing your nads off, toke up and watch this.

Hey guys and girls!

This is my fourth MAJOR PvP video. I should include the cliche disclaimer that this isn't necessarily an extreme showcase of skills, but rather a tribute to some mildly entertaining gameplay in this current state of awkward skill caps and skill floors. This video follows a comp I just picked up a few days ago with some friends and some new faces. My reccomendation is to sit back, turn up the volume, and enjoy some Resto Druid gameplay.

Clips taken from: http://www.twitch.tv/bigmoran

Druid :druid: : http://us.battle.net...Bigmoran/simple
Mage :mage: : http://us.battle.net...zkbooter/simple
Rogue :rogue: : http://us.battle.net...s/Modena/simple

YT: http://www.youtube.com/bobrosslol
PvP Guides: http://www.nextlevel...wow-pvp-guides/
Cool New Website: http://pvp-live.com/

The music listed at the credits is actually wrong. CBA re-rendering. The actual tracklist is the following:

Smoke Weed Every Day (Rasmus Hedegaard Remix)
C2C - Happy
Straight to the Bank - 50 Cent
C2C -Le Banquet ft Netik Tigerstyle Rafik Kentaro Vajra
Coldplay - Fix You (Aylen Remix)
Cocoa Butter Kisses - Chance the Rapper

ALSO: Posted Image MDR m8.

#3957413 Blood dks

Posted Virent on 07 October 2013 - 02:52 PM

View PostBraindance, on 06 October 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

This is a good season - I don't think anyone can deny that there is great variety in comps and every class has at least 1 t1 comp. There are a few outliers that need some trimming, but all in all it's one of the most (if not THE most) balanced season.

I agree.


Are all perfectly viable T1 comps.

#3957098 Blood dks

Posted Capstone on 07 October 2013 - 05:02 AM

View PostBraindance, on 06 October 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

This is a good season - I don't think anyone can deny that there is great variety in comps and every class has at least 1 t1 comp. There are a few outliers that need some trimming, but all in all it's one of the most (if not THE most) balanced season.
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