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#4578942 Incoming legacy servers!

Posted Woundman on 26 April 2016 - 10:49 PM

Title is pretty misleading tbh. There is such a small chance blizzard is going to bring legacy servers back. Why? Undermines all their current hard work. They want everyone playing the same expansion. Splitting the community up playing different expansions isn't a good thing, especially with how dead WoW is right now.

People have been asking for legacy servers forever... Why is it such a big deal now? WoW is in a horrible state, that's why... I'm not gonna cross my fingers and hope for legacy servers, because honestly I don't care about them. I love WoW for it's progression and community. I'd rather Blizzard focus on improving the current WoW, especially if it's so difficult for Blizzard to run legacy servers like they said in the OP.

#4580091 On vanilla PvP

Posted Velcaa on 01 May 2016 - 10:40 PM

thats my entire point, there is close to nothing to study for vanilla raiding, what exactly is there to study besides spamming shadowbolt? because that is the entirety of a rotation is spam pressing 1 button, there is almost nothing in terms of studying how boss fights go in vanilla because the boss mechanics are beyond basic. "rushing" for server first is literally just a situation of which guild is the most organized and have the 40 people to be able to do it on time. there is no warlock with half a brain that is going to try to say "I am the best warlock on the server, i push shadowbolt faster than anyone else"

and I hate to put this out there but the "average player" that you just described would have no idea what a nostalrius was or what a private server was until recently with nost shutting down. the "average" player who plays nostalrius and knows enough about private servers are going to do a simple google search of "pre raid bis" or "mage rotation" because it's a requirement for even pugs to see you in pre raid bis, the term is thrown out far too much for the "average player" to NOT at least google it.

being an "average player" is not another word for autistic or clueless which is basically what you're trying to imply with the examples you just used. there was a married couple in their 60s in my raiding guild on nost who were anything but hardcore and had a full grasp of the game and how it worked.

again, grossly over-exaggerating with the difficulty of the game, vanilla was time consuming, not difficult;
there may be that initial shock of getting used to the game and how it worked compared to wod, but not nearly as difficult as you're putting it

#4580076 On vanilla PvP

Posted Velcaa on 01 May 2016 - 08:34 PM

Not an argument of if the game was difficult back during when vanilla was just released, it's simply pointing out that it is not remotely hard at all at this point in the game.
Of course the game was "harder" when it was new because no one knew what they were doing, there wasn't a surplus of information that you could find for your classes or even leveling guides for awhile
there is a reason why content was cleared 5000x faster on nost than it ever was during retail vanilla, what was considered major progress during retail vanilla times was pugged on nost and that is simply because the game isn't new anymore, keybinding isnt a new, edgy concept anymore.

the stuff you listed isn't even being "skillful" anymore, it's common knowledge and is expected of you
vanilla/tbc knowing your class rotation and such should never be used as an example of having to master your class/spec, the only role from a pve/raiding point of view that had it hard were warriors with tanking groups of mobs, every other class/spec have a 1-2 button rotation in terms of pve
the video didn't highlight anything that took much of any skill (in my eyes at least) just very basic gameplay. is the pvp fun in vanilla? yea. is the pve fun in vanilla? from a mechanics point of view when facing bosses, not in the slightest. but the game WOULD be much better off like how it was during vanilla/tbc where the monsters were a lot more difficult when starting out in those dungeons which is what made it fun.

I literally only played on private servers from the moment wrath ended until wod was released (still play them after wod release), i've played on numerous vanilla/tbc and wrath servers including nost and khronos. so this isn't me being bias and shitting on the idea of legacy servers, i would love them. but people are grossly over-exaggerating the amount of "skill" it takes playing on vanilla/tbc servers. youre mixing nostalgia memories with how it is now after years.

tldr; with the amount of information that is out now and the amount of people that have a lot more wow gaming experience under their belt now, vanilla is a joke in terms of skill related anything

#4579950 On vanilla PvP

Posted Velcaa on 30 April 2016 - 09:17 PM

View PostLirox, on 22 April 2016 - 05:18 PM, said:

but it was hard leveling up you actually had to manage stuff and cc now you can just go full autism mode and do shit

being hard = / being semi required to use the spells given to you

i enjoyed playing on nostalrius too, and i played during retail vanilla on release

people keep using this argument of how "hard" or skillful vanilla is when it isnt
vanilla was known for how much of a GRIND it was. How you could log in at any time and there were so many different things you could do, rep grinding, pvp grinding for higher title etc. none of it was hard, it just was time consuming which is what made the game fun

pvp in vanilla in terms of balance is godawful, people complain about cc now when it was 100x worse in vanilla (lol what is a dr)
but it was fun because world pvp was relevant BECAUSE of the fact that there was so much to do in terms of grinding etc and there were a multitude of toys you could use in pvp; not even going to touch on how much of a grind pvp was as well

even the raids in vanilla are very basic, the only reason naxx was considered hard is because of how much you had to GRIND for consumables and how much you had to GRIND to  even have access to go into that raid, the mechanics for the raids were just as basic

so if you guys are going to argue for legacy servers, back up your argument with something that makes sense; has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that me or anyone else don't want legacy servers; it has to do with people having this deluded thinking that vanilla was so great because of the amount of skill it took when it had nothing to do with why vanilla was so fun

#4578267 On vanilla PvP

Posted polesmoker72 on 23 April 2016 - 07:04 AM

View PostPhoo, on 22 April 2016 - 05:22 PM, said:

Really nice video, well edited and nice plays. No idea why it's getting hate, this is the kind of video that would be really popular a few years ago, easily on par with a Neilyo vid. Perhaps people have forgotten what constitutes a good pvp vid.
1) Vanilla pvp really wasn't that good
2) The OP says it's the most skilled vid he's seen in forever but it is pretty much the same as most rogue vids for the last 10 years (vanishing stuff, 5-8 kiting, engi etc)

#4578234 On vanilla PvP

Posted Speedymart on 23 April 2016 - 12:15 AM

As someone who put 36 days into vanilla, the pvp is shit

It's fun in its own way, but the honor system is an absolute joke and some classes are so imbalanced its unreal. I would legit 2 shot rogues and warriors all day long on my mage, and there was usually nothing they could do about it.

Seeing r14 players backpedeling like idiots is just pathetic

#4578117 On vanilla PvP

Posted Lolflay on 22 April 2016 - 02:09 PM

Don't group me with people who generally hate on vanilla advocates, I literally don't give two fucks. I've played vanilla from the start of the game 'till TBC release, it was insanely fun, but I'd never do it again, the memories of people and things are way too unique to tarnish by playing on a private realm. But that's me, if you want to play Vanilla, play it.

But the thing is that Vanilla diehards will never get their way in any official capacity, so doing dumb shit like collecting signatures is honestly so fucking laughable. And linking vanilla PvP videos and describing them as "skill" is also hilarious. Yeah vanilla had that spectrum of the game where you could use extra trinkets/equipment/consumables to make PvP more interesting ( I still have vivid memories after all these years of the hate I had due to having to wait a few seconds after rogues popped shadow reflector to coil them ), but it didn't have nearly enough depth as TBC/Wrath duels/arenas had. It was fun to shit on kids while I had top tier PvE gear, but don't act like the PvP was way more fun than it was in TBC/Wrath, because it simply wasn't.

All in all, if you want to play Vanilla, fine, however stop posting shit about it for fucks sake. Shutting down Nostalrious is the worst WoW-related thing in a while, not because I view it as a loss for ( any ) community, but because ever since Nostalrious shut down, people have been raving 24/7 about Blizzard - justified, you might think? No, the people who have NEVER played on Nostalrious and never cared about the realm are suddenly upset on Blizzard and are whining 24/7, signing stupid petitions to make official vanilla realms, etc etc.

Like shut the fuck up already, I'd rather read Ashley's daily updates on the non-existing WoW PvP scene than read more shit about Vanilla or how Blizzard sucks. Yeah, Blizzard blows moose wang, nobody is disagreeing here, move the fuck on.

#4578054 On vanilla PvP

Posted Lolflay on 22 April 2016 - 09:50 AM


You Vanilla people are starting to get boring as fuck. And in this video I've seen nothing but basic Rogue vanilla gameplay.

#4578264 Legion Gladiator Mount Revealed

Posted Bersihasi on 23 April 2016 - 06:58 AM

View PostMontyx, on 23 April 2016 - 04:58 AM, said:

Isn't that literally a gronnling reskin? Are they that lazy?

It was a gronnling reskin.
They changed the skeleton in a new build. It walks on two legs now and has a unique "mount special" animation.
You can check it here in the model viewer http://legion.wowhea...odelviewer:10 0

#4578027 Legion Gladiator Mount Revealed

Posted Nogahn on 22 April 2016 - 08:07 AM

Posted Image

#4576869 Legion Released 30th Aug

Posted Dizzeeyo on 18 April 2016 - 07:16 PM

View PostRefren, on 18 April 2016 - 06:54 PM, said:

Wait are you for srs? They are removing old models/animatios :(
old models option in legion = current old model faces stretched over new model bodies + new model animations

easiest way for them to get all those shiny new ability and spell animations to work - obviously they could have just left the old models with old animations, but thats clearly something we all think we want, but we don't exDee

rip undead male cast animation 2003 - 2016, you will be missed

#4576872 On Pruning, PvP, and Our Goals for Legion

Posted Siuox on 18 April 2016 - 07:26 PM

  • Refocusing each spec around their core concepts
  • Reduced reliance on cooldowns, both offensive and defensive
- Incarnation Damage + 40% instead of 15% (WOD); 30 % (MOP) (much depth) - just remove it already
- PvE Devs introducing PvE Talents for 5 instant casts (much depth)
- Passive Heal crap like Ysera's Gift still in the game (much depth)
- New fun class fantasies like rezz totem for shamans, so much fun like dks in s5; autobubble for paladins; 3 second spell reflect for warriors, 30 sec interrupt immunity for arcane? mages instead of nerfing meele interrupts etc. etc. just pure troll at this point
- Shiny renames: Garrisons aka Order Halls; Class Fantasy aka Prune; Ashran for 110; LFR (Tools)

Feedback of Nadagast, Cdew, Absterge more or less ignored.

#4575183 Pretty good post on PvP by Harland

Posted Montyx on 11 April 2016 - 04:18 PM

View PostRelentless, on 11 April 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

I also don't understand blizzard insistence on making it retard proof for new players to get this game. League of Legends makes almost no attempt to and look how successful that is.

Part of the challenge of league is how it throws you in the deep end  (if you have never played a moba before) and it takes ages to even begin to understand what the fuck is going on in lane or team fights. Its frustrating at first, but it makes you want to get better at the game and gives you things to aim for at least.

I'm not super interested in compromising LoL design in the name of accessibility. Yes, League is obnoxiously hard to learn if you don't have a friend showing you the ropes. That sucks, but it's not worth stripping away the depth or potential for mastery for our core audience -- you guys -- in order to attract new players. That's not an approach every game can or should take, but it's the right call for League.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

#4574649 why exactly does legion afli suck?

Posted Nadagast on 09 April 2016 - 05:50 AM

For me, Warlock got less fun with each expansion since Cata.  No curses, fears that break quickly, weak dot pressure outside of cooldowns, destro is a shadow of its former self.  All these and more (especially the awful state of pvp gameplay as a whole) contribute to Warlock being not fun to play compared to what it should be. I think Legion Warlock won't be that great because WoD Warlock isn't that great, and they're not doing much to bring back the good parts.  One curse will not solve anything.

I don't agree with everything Cdew wants.  I feel his video focused too much on bringing back exactly what existed in the past.  But I would prefer to play that version of Warlock than the WoD or Legion versions.

#4572384 why exactly does legion afli suck?

Posted Lolflay on 31 March 2016 - 10:06 AM

View PostWallirik, on 30 March 2016 - 09:07 AM, said:

You got it a bit mixed up with fel armor.

Demon armor in tbc was useless, fel armor gave both SP and healing received.

In wotlk they changed fel armor to give hp% regen instead of +healing received. So you did swap demon armor for defense.

In cata it was also fel armor for SP, and healing received on demon armor.

Oh, the way that Indead was speaking, I figured they merged the effect into Fel Armor in Cata. Was a while since then so I didn't remember.

So yeah, that's one thing they successfully removed from WoTLK/Cata times that was actually meaningful and I guess "fun" to do. I remember swapping to Demon Armor whenever I was about to get Kidney Shotted and it making all the difference in the world f.ex.