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#3866808 What we can do to help PvP

Posted Thaya on 26 March 2013 - 12:38 AM

All my recent posts on general were about how unfriendly WoW PvP is to newer players, how brutal and boring the gear grind is, how stupid and archaic the PvP systems are, and so on and so forth. I'm even annoyed at myself for repeating the same things over and over in different threads. Besides, all of these are directed at Blizzard, and the chances of getting any feedback - especially on AJ - are close to zero.

But I want things to happen. So I thought, what can we - the players - do? What can the AJ community do?

First of all, content.

I think everybody agrees that WoW PvP is pretty hard to get into just due to the knowledge required to be successful. Generally speaking, you need to know a lot of things before you can even really enjoy the game and understand what's going on. 40-60 abilities per spec, subtle but important cooldowns, various lethal combinations of cooldowns/spells and their approximate potential, all the important defenses, various interface scripts/addons that could help you, et cetera. This game is only fun when you can actually anticipate things, know when to play safe or when to push (based on their cooldowns), know which things to interfere/stop to prevent your team from using major cooldowns, know when you can be stopped or not... and all this meta game is possible only if you know the game well enough.

It's pointless and nearly impossible to cover all of that in text or video guides. However, what can be covered are all the basic things that new people will ask, like: which talents and glyphs to use, how to gear, gameplay basics (which spells to use, which combos to try and pull off), what is my role in rbg/arena/xyz, which team mates/classes should I look for, which counters to my combos to look out for, where do I place my portal/gate (example of a spec-specific question), which things should I prioritize while I'm new, are there any addons or macros that will make my life easier... You can cover pretty much all the theory.

These basic guides are so valuable, it surprises me that people completely abandoned writing them. When I log on a new class and don't know even the very basics, like how to deal damage most efficiently, I really wish those guides still existed. I just want to get into the head of an experienced [with the spec] player to get answers for all my basic questions; even if I'm guessing what the right answer is, being certain about it would help the learning process a lot. You don't need to make it an in-depth guide where you write 10000 words for every viable comp, you just need to point in the right direction, explain your mindset a little bit, share set-in-stone knowledge (gear/talent/glyph setup), and give some general tips and thoughts. No more, no less.

Back when those guides existed, I would browse other classes guides just to get a better idea of how other classes work. It actually helped me a bit, because I could anticipate certain things better and/or stop them in advance. Sure, I would probably learn it myself even if the guide didn't exist, but that would probably take more time and more losses.

I'm not even mentioning the old matchup guides on AJ back in TBC. We literally had a whole section dedicated to those, i.e. guides about certain comps and how they're played vs other popular comps. It was brilliant.

What do we have today? I'll take the time to open every single sticky on every class forum:


TLDR: there's only two sticky threads that are up to date at all: Rets and Rogues. Shamans have no guides at all. There's tons of guides and stickies that weren't updated since Season 9 - that's more than 2 years ago! I even found a thread that was a sticky since May 2009, good old WotLK! Come on!

And the worst thing is that all of this outdated information is still getting views, because it's stickied. Because nobody cares, and because there's no new content. It makes me wonder what content editors are doing. No offense guys, but I see some content editors and moderators posting fairly frequently here, yet you can't at least unpin threads that are outdated for several years to not misinform people and to make this very forum look a bit more representative? What do new users think when they see Season 9 info stickied? Uh.

Look at PvE. It's the same game, it has the same problems, but there's so much information about PvE compared to PvP. Go to icy-veins.com and look at the class guides. Remember old Elitist Jerks guides. There's also noxxic.com (I love the concept of this one, but too much bad content). There's a bunch of very popular youtube channels dedicated to boss guides, and they're also available on icy-veins. It takes me a few seconds to find any info I need in PvE. Why don't we have this in PvP anymore?

If we actually help people improve, maybe they will be slightly more interested?

Secondly, forum structure.

Look at "Ask a Gladiator" section. Most threads have 0 replies, occasionally there's a reply, rarely a conversation (mostly trash). No wonder, there's no incentive for a Junkie to ever visit that section. I'm willing to bet that most of the replies in that section are because people randomly bump into those threads via the "fresh threads" stream on front page, "view new content", last post or similar, not by actually visiting the section. It's not that everybody is a douchebag and doesn't wanna help, it's the forum structure not helping that happen.

Class forums, I only visit the warlock and occasionally the DK one, but both are inactive. It wouldn't surprise me if all the other class forums are also inactive - people don't even bother to report sticky threads from Season 9... So I wonder, why are class forums still junkie-only? They could be the perfect place to answer questions and educate people. I used to post a ton on class forums on official forums just because I enjoyed answering questions and helping people, while at the same time refining and reviewing my own knowledge constantly.

Same thing goes for the 2v2/3v3/5v5 subsections of the general discussion section. I don't think they serve any purpose whatsoever anymore. You could drag them out and let non-junkies access them, so there are actual discussions about 2v2/3v3/5v5 matchups instead of being a collection of threads about end of season wintrading.

With some decent moderation, this could work wonders. I don't mean EJ-esque strict moderation. Just remove all the trash replies and warn/ban douchebags. It won't be that hard, really.

Leave general as it is, of course. I'm not suggesting to remove access limitations completely, but right now the non-junkie section is like a ghetto. All I'm suggesting is a bit more integration at the cost of inactive forum sections. Everybody wins.

Speaking of inactive forum sections, another thing that bugs me all the time is all those out of date, useless sections:
- "Blizzard 3v3 Tournament"? TR is down for ages now. And why not call it something like "TR Recruitment" because that's all that it's for? All the actual tournament stream discussions happen in the News threads.
- "Theorycrafting", what's the point of this one? Existed for years, a grand total of 54 topics.
- "NAO Invitational Tournament", when was the last NAO?
- "Content Feedback", I fail to understand what is this for. All the "content" on the site has comment sections for it, why does this section exist? People mistake the "macros" subsection as a forum to ask help with macros, too

I don't think it's healthy when some 20 sections are dead inactive. It sort of reminds you that the game is dead and there's nothing you can do, you know.

And lastly, be nicer to each other. When there's no textual references and all experience and knowledge is shared verbally, it matters more than ever.

#3865923 huge pvp overhaul 5.3

Posted sapnoob on 23 March 2013 - 06:27 PM

#3754043 How did you lose your gladiator title

Posted Häxantutto on 29 August 2012 - 01:39 AM


I've played KFC with my dear friend Djkatze and Tbow since I got my gurthalak on my warrior, It went very well and we reached 2440 mmr with a team rating of 2412, unfortunately my team rating was dropped as they decided to queue thugcleave and apparently failed extremely hard and had wrong specs etc etc.... anyways i've been camping my warriors personal rating ever since because hunter couldnt play last weeks or months of season ( he wasnt replace able to continue KFC in our oppinion ), I play rogue & mage also so we decided to try reach 2500 (glad cutoff or glad range on Misery BG aka hardest BG in the world) with other comps such as fireplay,fire mls or something like that.

The weeks went and we keept queueing at a few times but team rating was around 2250 but didnt really have serious partners for the team as the games played was too high for ppl to bother play in it on their mains.

Last week I actually tried really hard to find some ppl to play fireplay or fire mls with, managed to get team rating to 2300 and most people that I desired to play with didnt have enough time for various unforunate reasons which sucked for me, so I kinda gave up on this whole thing, another duelist season....

however TODAY (22.00 and LAST day of season)
My awesome partner Tbow and Dogfish (aka brothersalsa) helped me queue MLS in my warriors team to try push glad last hours, we started at 2350 mmr and had really good win / ratio , reached 2500 mmr , struggled against a few teams and went back and fourth at 2460 team rating. By the time its 1 hour and 10 minutes left and team rating is 2470 we meet DOUBLE HEALER + WARLOCK with 2.2k MMR or something. They dont even try to win, we ALSO KNOW the people playing it and they are trying to ruin for us not even replying to whispers just to draw us and waste our time so we lost 30 rating just to this and only 20 min left after this happened, no time to queue dodge either etc. We did queue after that asap again and obviously got them because they were from our server, we were facing ALOT of crossrealm teams last hours at 2400+ mmr

Shoutout to double healer team: OUTLAND EU / MISERY BG
BENSUP, some shit shaman that got kicked from a 3v3 team with 6 players so TBOW my partner could play with them to 2.5k (they are 2497 safe glad 11-0 after playing with tbow , from 2380-2500.

SOLOY, warlock that i've known for about 2 seasons and played together with sometimes, even played some RLS for fun with him and tbow (TODAY)

ANDORITH, irl friend of our sick hunter partner, had 2470 as thugcleave (desereved glad) tried to queue last days to get some rating but ended up losing 100 team rating and couldnt repair the team unfortunately, this guy also knows the people I play with very well.

Apparently SOLOY "didnt know it was us"

BENSUP wanted to ruin for us cuz he was kicked from the gladiator team that tbow got invited to help them even reach the fucking gladiator rating ,would never of happened otherwise. gz tika,cyrfer,heyimmvp and thaya btw

ANDORITH; unknown reason for doing it , abit envy for not getting gladiator in his own team ( i dont know but he certainly was aware of the situation and fucked us over)

this is kinda how I lost my gladiator this season, got stories from previous season also if anyone wants to hear it... (just let me know)

FML, cya in MOP

Big shoutout to Dogfish,Teebow,Djkatze,Pandapfp(aka Shockie),Cardoso,Thaya,Finzi, Bigjelel and Joar for being awesome partners & friends season11 "2012"
(im going to add bakbuk and odrareg here aswell, awesome people and thanks for all the pug raids and fun we had on ventrilo and trolling raids, too bad you didnt have enough time to help me and play fireplay last weeks)

Yours sincerely
Duelist Häxantutto

#3742049 Nice game blizzard

Posted Minpojke on 11 August 2012 - 01:04 AM

Blazin aka the most retarded guy in eu is trying to come at me when i got r1 in 3s s10 with 95% as sp rogue druid not to mention that we were 1 out of the 2-3 only legit teams in eu who played up after the mmr fix when he got carried in s9 to r1 in 5s and not to mention how he migrated to charge this bg for r1 as tripple dps and ended up with negative winratio

#3742004 Nice game blizzard

Posted Minpojke on 10 August 2012 - 11:14 PM

So tonight we were qing 5s and we go up against some low team from some other bg and when the gates opened we only faced a priest and we instantly thought that the team were using this invisible hack to make people leave.

What really happened was that their realm went down and i got in contact with a gm within 10 minutes and they still couldnt do anything about it and we had to sit and wait 46 minutes to get a -23

also minpojke #1 gm slayer







#3661265 Suwayyah RBG stream

Posted SuwayyahxD on 12 March 2012 - 12:29 PM

I haven't been ddosed because I know how to avoid all kinds of 3rd party attacks. When you run into a wall does it take you to log back in 2 minutes?(In my case it is like 20-30 seconds and I am pretty sure people with shitty computers can log in in 45 second)

Your voice on skype goes metalic= This shows nothing about ddos. It only shows your ISP sucks and your IP is static(which I assume it MUST BE STATIC cuz you claiming you been ddos ed more than once and you know it way better!)

Second of all with those gears in the team you are doing your job, you would stand no chance vs our team. You have chance with your mains but not with those scrub gear max 397 ilvl characters. Whatever you do you cant do the dmg
output we do. And seriously? Your ret gone to fel reaver stood there wihtout capping the base 1 minute till the whole fight ended in mid?

#3661383 Suwayyah RBG stream

Posted SuwayyahxD on 12 March 2012 - 04:25 PM

I turned stream off because the raid leader wanted me to. Im streaming my computer. Not lovetodream or any other's PC so. I could easily turn the sound off which I did in the first place. But then leader asked me to turn it off BECAUSE you know why? We have a setup that can do stealth attack to bases and 3 base other people in such map like EOTS. Which you may recall, how we did to other Gamesense teams with other 2 moonkin 1 rogue teams. So stop blaming people and suck it up when you got outgeared. Keep your silly illegal boosts to yourself and don't publish it like this. There are still players enjoying this game for just its a game. NOT a place to earn money IRL. . So spare me from your fucking drama.

#3661487 Suwayyah RBG stream

Posted Dakkrothy on 12 March 2012 - 07:49 PM

View PostLovetodream7, on 12 March 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

I have nothing more to add on what i said on top, it turned out that your not just a scammer your a mmr abuser and global hack user too .. yes, i buy boosts cuz i dont have much time to play wow and be a freak @ it, u know there are exotic cars parked in the garage and a mansion on an island for parties + yatcht, private plane to go anywhere i'd want and lots of $$ to enjoy life than sitting at home playing a video game all day :* trust me, you wont drag me down to your pathetic state to have an QQ argument here , but always remember when i do it some day ill come to AJ and make a post about it  B)


#3660883 Suwayyah RBG stream

Posted SuwayyahxD on 11 March 2012 - 08:52 PM

Moonkin pow streams in RBG 2.6k+ rating.
www.twitch.tv/suwayyah Enjoy

#3661086 Suwayyah RBG stream

Posted SuwayyahxD on 12 March 2012 - 02:37 AM

Guys have some manners please. I agree we all have pve items and maybe "the BIS" setup.
In your video you can clearly see your guys internet connection clearly sucks and yet you kept queuing.
Then he disconnected again.
Then you bumped into us the second he logged in.
Then he stopped talking on Skype and he didn't give any response.
Then some of you talked about his bad connection again.
All is in this provided video between minute 20-28. If you delete this video on your channel, you can find the exact same video in my stream channel in 1080p which will be uploaded soon.

Now, our group mostly consist of players who plays in PvE guilds. (me in method for example). I do raids, I do some Pvp(not doing Pvp "professionally like most of you do").

The RBGS is in some point that,actually the game is in some point that you can not seperate PvP and PvE. This is a game
Whole game= Where you can get what you deserve. I do raid=I deserve Pve Loot. I do Pvp to enjoy to beat up other players.

Now my recommendation to you guys:
First of all Swack: Delete every1 in your skype who you don't know. Call your ISP (internet service provider) and make them change your IP address if you are using a Static IP adress (So you will never have doubts to get DDOS ed again). And Format your PC too if you having doubts you have virus or any other malware. And change your ISP asap because it sucks. You get disconnected really? it is year 2012 man and half quarter is nearly passed.
How do I know all of these? I'm a senior Computer Engineer and have CCNA certificate (cisco networking thing as your words)

Second to all of you who were in that team; Don't be audience to this bullcrap self defense. "OMG THEY DDOSED US OMG OMG" Words are not good for any of you.