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Posted Thaya on 08 April 2013 - 12:40 PM
So, hypothesis: RBG matchmaking/ladder issues are negatively affecting Arena PvP.
I'd like you all to take a look at this:
EU RBG ladder: http://eu.battle.net.../battlegrounds/
US RBG ladder: http://us.battle.net.../battlegrounds/
These rating ranges are much more inflated than they are in Arena, where the absolutely highest teams with the most ridiculous winratios are 2.6k - and there's only 7 of them in EU and US combined. This is both due to how the system itself works, and a number of exploits and workarounds that existed or still exist. A result of this is that reaching, say, 2.2k in RBG is easier than reaching 2.2k in Arena - even past the extra logistics, and even if we forget about the exploits and workarounds. 2.2k is viewed as a trivial RBG rating, while 2.2k in Arena is a challenge. It's human nature to choose the easier path, and this is where Arena suffers.
On top of that, RBG has a better Conquest cap formula that everybody complains about; even if you remove the bonus formula, doing RBG is still much more profitable due to its inflated ladder. I like the analogy with 10 and 25 man raiding. The difficulty is almost the same. World firsts for 10 and 25 man are only a few days apart, if not the same day. 25 man drops extra loot, which is a fine bonus for the extra effort organizing it - just as the extra Conquest cap from RBG is totally fine, but only if the difficulty is the same. (PvE had this exact same issue at Cataclysm release when 10 and 25 started dropping the same ilvl loot, by the way, it took Blizzard at least two tiers to balance it out.)
This is what we should complain about. Fix the RBG system (some of the exploits are so trivial, it makes you wonder why it takes so long to fix them), reset it to wipe the inflated ladder, and try to keep RBG:Arena ratings similar. RBG will stop killing Arena once it stops being a much easier alternative to get gear, for all the wrong reasons.
Something that bothers me and everybody else since MoP, what is up with the capping system? You can cap the last bit only and exclusively via RBG. Even if you play RBG before playing Arena, those Conquest points you get from the RBG wins will count towards the Arena cap if it's still available. So, a situation like this is fully realistic:
1) You play and win a couple of RBGs;
2) You play and win a couple of Arenas, reaching the maximum Arena cap;
3) You now must do more RBG in order to finish capping, because the RBGs you did in "1)" went into your Arena cap, not your RBG cap. You're now confused why the hell it says you didn't earn any points via RBG this week even though you did.
Is this really intended? I thought the idea was to have two separate caps, just counting towards a shared maximum. Like it was in Cataclysm.
Also, wins in random BGs used to go into either cap, so you could finish capping via random BGs. I don't really mind if this was intentionally removed, but it makes no sense to me.
Edit: this really screws up 2v2, by the way. All the high rated PvPers rush to get their arena cap done on tuesday/wednesday after reset, which makes lower rated players really suffer. Lots of people saying they keep meeting Gladiators at 1700 MMR in 2v2 - official forums are full of these complaints, you can open just about any thread. You can also check streams on reset days to confirm it yourself. It's standard practice by now. Not healthy for the game.
Posted Braindance on 05 April 2013 - 05:16 AM
Posted Vanguards on 04 April 2013 - 12:52 PM
I've been asked quite a few times to make an Enhance guide on stream so hopefully this can help out! This guide is written mainly for players new to playing enhance in arena / PvP.
What changed about Enhance in 6.0.3 for PvP?
Enhance has changed so much in WoD. Some major points:
1.) We lost our burst. Ascendance does not really "burst" that much anymore.
2.) Our overall damage is much lower.
3.) Elemental Blast hits lower than lightning bolt unless you Unleash it.
4.) We lost Spiritwalker's Grace.
5.) Our mana pool for healing and purging is overall increased.
6.) You can no longer Tremor while you are feared.
7.) Echo of the Elements works on Lava Lash and Stormstrike.
There are tons of other changes too, but the biggest thing is our gameplay. In Mists we were a burst oriented spec, now we are brought into arenas mainly for our utility and purges.
Above are the general talents I use in arena. Some of them should be swapped depending on what comp you are playing, and what you are playing against.
Highly Recommended: Nature's Guardian
Nature's Guardian provides the best defensive boost for Enhance. Astral shift isn't bad, but the cooldown is too long for how long it lasts. Stone Bulwark is also a long CD and totem can be killed.
Recommended: Windwalk Totem
Any 3 of these talents are viable. What is best will depend on many factors such as your play-style, the composition you're running, and what you're fighting against. Windwalk Totem is my general recommendation because Enhance suffers from mobility. Nearly any team you see in arena will slow or snare you in someway. Windwalk Totem is really nice for this situation. Windwalk Totem also helps a Beastmaster Hunter's stampede.Earthgrab is nice when you fight compositions that really need you to snare. An example is a death knight team without a freedom.Frozen Power has a similar logic to Earthgrab. It's also really good when you play with a druid to Frozen Power someone into a Solar Beam.
Recommended: Totemic Projection or Call of the Elements
Call of the Elements is nice because it allows you to use double tremor and double freedom. I highly recommend Call of the Elements against any Priest or Warlock teams, and even Hunter + Warrior (Wyvern Sting + Warrior Fear). Totemic Projection is amazing to make your Capacitor Totem truly useful.
Recommended: Echo of the Elements
Echo of the Elements lets you go almost "rotationless." You can pretty much hit Stormstrike / Lava Lash as much as you want when you account for the fact that you will be purging a ton in arena. Echo of the Elements procs extremely often especially when you get hit (it works on lightning shield.) Since NS no longer works with Hex this is by far the best talent imo.
Elemental Mastery is good for compositions that really rely on burst to win. However, it's purgable, and in the current WoD meta you do not want to use this against a ton of teams.
Recommended: Ancestral Guidance
Ancestral Guidance helps a ton with healing burst. Healing Stream talent isn't bad either if you're against a Warlock or Moonkin.
Recommended: Unleashed Fury
This entire tier is bad honestly, there really isn't a good talent here. This seems to give us the most on-demand damage, but it's closely followed by Elemental Blast. You can honestly pick any talent in this tree and you will hardly noticie the difference except for Primal. Primal would be the best talent if your opponents don't kill your totem that has ~26K HP (1-2 hits).
Recommended: Elemental Fusion or Liquid Magma
Another relatively useless tier. Elemental Fusion is the best if you can't use Liquid Magma (it breaks CCs). Otherwise, Liquid Magma provides the most damage. Storm Elemental is really only good versus teams that has no knowledge of the fact they can just kill your totem in one to two hits.
Similar to talents Glyphs should be adjusted to what you play and what you play against. In general I keep Lightning Shield Glyph and Frostbrand Glyph as mandatory. The last one I swap out a lot.
Lightning Shield - 10% damage reduction most of the time, incredibly useful for a squishy class like Enhance.
Frostbrand Glyph - Applies a slow for you automatically, incredibly useful for a melee.
Purge - Useful for really saving some of your globals, but if you get unlucky you can be stopping yourself from purging useful buffs. Use when you are not the only purge / dispeller on your team.
Purging - Extremely useful for any teams you plan to purge spam. It allows you to heal a ton or use lightning bolts much more often.
Capacitor - Useful for teams where you can keep Totemic Projection and you are afraid they may snipe your 5 second charge time totem.
Hex - Reduces your hex cooldown by 10 seconds. Extremely effective against teams with no curse dispel or only one curse dispeller.
Spirit Walk - Reduces your Spirit Walk CD by 25%. Nice for teams where you need to keep kiting or if you get heavily kited.
Ghost Wolf - Makes you run at 100% even when you are slowed when using Ghost Wolf. Similar logic to Spirit Walk glyph but in a more consistent manner.
Lava lash for teams where your Flame Shock dot can break CCs.
Gems / Enchants / Stats
Priorities for Stats:
Multistrike and Crit are terrible since they scale less in PvP. The best thing to do for gearing is try to avoid these 2 stats as much as possible.
Versatility on everything. Haste enchant on weapons.
What rotation do you use in PvP?
There is no "specific" rotation in PvP. For Enhance Shamans it is exceptionally strange due to how important purging is and Echo proccing all the time.
Generally when you're not purging you want to use your 4-5 Maelstrom procs ASAP. Outside of that you want to use Stormstrike and Lava Lash. Keep Flame Shock up, keep Searing Totem or Fire Pet totem up. Unleash is a button you hit when you get kited or you have nothing else to do.
Macros / Keybindings?
Macros are largely personal preference. I prefer using @party1 and @arena1 kind of macros. Some players do it differently. Do what works for you!
Macros I use, and the keybinding I use with it:
For my shaman:
` = Start Attack with Unleash Elements
/startattack /cast Unleash Elements
6 = Cancel BOP
/cancelaura Hand of Protection
Ctrl + D = Burst Macro
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Elemental Mastery
/use Malevolent Gladiator's Badge of Conquest
Shift + F = Solar Beam
R / T / Y = same as my Ret, /focus @arena1 / @arena2 / @arena3
F = Wind Shear Arena 1
/cast [target=arena1] Wind Shear
G = Wind Shear Arena 2
/cast [target=arena2] Wind Shear
H = Wind Shear Arena 3
/cast [target=arena3] Wind Shear
Alt E = Frost Shock Arena 1
/cast [target=arena1] Frost Shock
Alt R = Frost Shock Arena 2
/cast [target=arena2] Frost Shock
Alt T = Frost Shock Arena 3
/cast [target=arena3] Frost Shock
Alt F = Cleanse Spirit Party 1
/cast [target=party1] Cleanse Spirit
Alt G = Cleanse Spirit Party 2
/cast [target=party2] Cleanse Spirit
Alt S = Healing Surge Party 1 Macro
/cast [target=party1] Healing Surge
Alt D = Healing Surge Party 2 Macro
/cast [target=party2] Healing Surge
Ctrl + Z = Rockbiter Macro
/castsequence [@none] Frostbrand Weapon,Rockbiter Weapon
Ctrl + X = Focus Frost Shock
/cast [target=focus] Frost Shock
Ctrl + A = Focus Windshear
/cast [target=focus] Wind Shear
Ctrl + S = Focus Purge
/cast [target=focus] Purge
Alt + X = Focus Hex
/cast [target=focus] Hex
As said with almost everything, Macros have a lot to do with personal preference. You can also use modifiers for different skills in your macros. Use these only as a general guideline and form your own macros!
Stormstrike before you Ascendance in general. The Stormstrike in Ascendance does not share CD with it.
Make sure to Unleash before Elemental Blast or Lightning Bolt if you're using Unleashed Fury or Elemental Blast.
Keep in mind in WoD now we do not exactly do the most damage in the world. Pressure from Enhance is a stacking effect from purging, and somewhat decent consistent damage and a constant low CD ranged interrupt + other utilities. Don't be too discouraged when the damage on the scoreboard shows you're lower than everyone else! We also have probably one of the best constant heals in the game, so make sure you're using those procs.
Enhance PvP Stream
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Enhance PvP Videos
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Thanks for reading, I hope this helped you out. Post any other questions you have! If you have specific questions for me, try posting them on my facebook page or tweet them to my twitter.
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Posted Thaya on 01 April 2013 - 08:22 AM
Posted Azaelz on 28 March 2013 - 11:44 PM
Hey guys, been a while since posting here but I had an idea I think a lot of people will enjoy and after talking to Conradical and him agreeing to get in on it I decided to go ahead and give it a shot!
The basic idea is that you show up in stream chat with your 3v3 team ready, and when we're picking a game you post your rating and setup in chat and then we'll select two teams around the same rating and cast your games with the regular tournament UI. It'll be done on US servers for the first week - maybe we'll try EU servers as well assuming we can get accounts and it's popular enough so as long as you're on US servers and willing to add us on battle tag you're eligible to play! We'll be queuing up using 5v5 wargames so that Conrad and I can join the game and then you'll simply kill us off and the game will proceed like normal as it does in all the online tournaments.
It's going to be on twitch.tv/egazael this coming Saturday at 2 PM EST so please help spread the word and show up! We'll be able to make it better and better and take viewer ideas etc for this if it goes well - also hopefully going to be able to get some relatively high level games for the end of the night - and perhaps have the most popular team of the day fight against a famous team or something like that!
Thanks and let me know what you think!
Posted Conradical on 29 March 2013 - 05:21 AM
Thank you for showing interest in the Weekly Viewer Casted Games by Conradical and Azael (aka the WVCGftC&A). We've taken your suggestion into consideration, however it's currently not possible with our technology. If we're able to do something like this in the future, we'll definitely consider the possibility of maybe taking your suggestion and implementing something like it.
Conradical and Azael, Inc.
Conradical on Azgalor
Conradicalz on Tichondrius
Conradical3 on Twitch
@ConradNAO on Twitter
Posted Donald on 27 March 2013 - 05:32 PM
"ice lance for 20k, ice lance for 20k again omg so broken"
Posted majorblood on 26 March 2013 - 08:53 AM
As far as beam/vortex goes, it's pretty dumb but it's the only thing that allows us to lock someone down to do damage. Best example would be an ability like deep freeze.
Posted Udderly on 23 March 2013 - 12:34 PM
GC: Hey guys, I just put everything you want in the game, what do you guys think? Is it epic?
Community: ....IT SUCKS!! I can't believe you are ruining PvP with these dumb changes!!!
Posted Ralffi on 22 March 2013 - 05:17 PM
Posted Critz on 21 March 2013 - 02:56 AM
Posted Synkz on 19 March 2013 - 08:51 PM
i've played 2s and 3s with a bunch of rbg heroes who don't know wtf to do in arena, so idk what point you are trying to make saying that.
Posted Skenz on 18 March 2013 - 11:39 AM
Posted Wallirik on 18 March 2013 - 11:22 AM