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In Topic: 6.0.3: A Gladiator’s guide to Gladiator Stance

24 October 2014 - 05:31 AM

View PostSpeedymart, on 24 October 2014 - 03:53 AM, said:

idk if i agree with that

but arms is just so boring to play now, atleast with prot you can global people while mindlessly pushing buttons

I personally find it even dumber, but it is debatable.

However "mindless" probably wasn't exactly the right term. I more meant just mindnumbingly boring. At least MoP arms had buttons to hit. WoD arms is like MS, two moves you use ~20 seconds each, and an AoE filler (or slam idk if thats good or not though.).

In Topic: 6.0.3: A Gladiator’s guide to Gladiator Stance

24 October 2014 - 03:25 AM

View PostSweatyfingrs, on 24 October 2014 - 02:26 AM, said:

Can we not fucking encourage prot warriors in arena

Not sure if you know, but there's a talent in WoD that makes prot become DPS. It's not the same type of prot as it was in Wrath. Glad spec warriors are perfectly fine for being in arena, especially because arms is even more mindless than it was in MoP

In Topic: i miss the high skillcap wotlk gameplay

26 September 2014 - 06:11 PM

View PostDizzeeyo, on 26 September 2014 - 07:47 AM, said:

good moments in specific comps, which is exactly the point - its pointless to try and make every single spec fit into every single comp, as they have tried to do since cata, because the comp with the two best melee/casters/melee - caster/healer just rises to the top and thrashes everything else, until they nerf those specific specs/classes and then the second best rises etc

That is literally what happened in BC too though... RMP, RLD, WLD. Or the bullshit mana drain comps, but those are an exception because of the retarded shit they pulled.

It's not like hybrids are the ones causing this. And trying to "get every spec to work in every comp" has nothing to do with caster viability. Not to mention what they were trying to do with that was make it so the game didn't have something like mages/locks having access to 54363634634 different comps, while other classes had like 1, if that.

And if, say, boomkin is the best caster, and rogue is the best melee, why is it a problem for Boomkin Rogue Priest to be top dog, as opposed to Rogue Mage and Priest? The boomkin being viable has nothing to do with that situation, and in fact, helps prevent it. If all hybrids were just shit outside of healing, then the best caster would still be brought, and the best melee would be brought, which is EXACTLY what happened in BC. But instead of now there being like 7 options for "best," there would be 2-3 per melee and 2 per caster.

In Topic: i miss the high skillcap wotlk gameplay

25 September 2014 - 11:00 PM

View PostDizzeeyo, on 25 September 2014 - 09:06 PM, said:

and since they decided to try and make all hybrid specs equal in arena, they have either been shit or broken with very few exceptions, which is one of the main reasons why people love to talk about how nice it was in BC in the first place :)

Yeah but that's been pretty much every class though not just hybrids. Everything went to shit. And most of the people saying they want it to go back to that are either rogues mages or priests.

In Topic: i miss the high skillcap wotlk gameplay

25 September 2014 - 08:44 PM

View Postzzatbrah, on 25 September 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

i thnk as far as balance goes, having the paladin class, the priest class, the druid class, and the shaman class (leave monk sout for the sake of this) as healers in arena and only healers sort of like how it was burning crusade lead to much better things, much easier to tune in arena when classes generally have one real arena spec.  obviously bc wasn't balanced, but i believe had they kept the every calss has 1 spec mentality it would have been a lot better for any ehopes of an esport.

however it is bad game design to force someone to do one thing when there three options ie if druids ever wanted to win in bc they had to go resto and not feral/doomkin

Keeping 1 spec mentality for pure DPS classes is fine, but hybrid specs are pretty much their own class entirely. The difference between a, say, arms warrior and a fury warrior is pretty small. Yeah there's different priorities and whatnot, but you're still a tanky melee dps with 2H weapons. However, the difference between a ret pally and holy pally, resto druid and feral, shadow and holy, etc, is massive. You're playing entirely different things. And it might seem like a more fun game if you happened to be one of those classes that could DPS effectively. It's not a balanced game if we just say "fuck you" to the hybrids who want to DPS.

View PostSpamdotz, on 25 September 2014 - 08:37 AM, said:

If you look at hybrids from a Cata perspective non-resto druids healed for fucking aids unless you were some sort of god. Currently, if your team mate is in hot water you cast HoTW and Cenarion Ward your team mate is almost guaranteed to live.


The mentality of all specs/classes should be arena viable makes is just too hard to perfect for Blizzard. Classes like druids should have all their specialisations viable in arena as the class is extremely versatile and unique (minus protection... fuck anyone who plays protection specialisations in arena), however; I firmly believe majority of other classes should have their 'arena' specialisation and then the 'others' for PvE and such. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if Arcane Mages were viable (I am not ABN so I can't play it decently) as well as stuff like Fury warrior but for the sake of balance, we need to keep it simple balance-wise but make an active effort to increase the complexity of gameplay.

I'm fine with that. I feel pure DPS classes should only really have 1 MAYBE 2 specs arena viable. As you said, they're mostly the same things each spec with just a different priority on what you use. However, hybrid class specs are pretty much entirely different specs on their own. They deserve to be able to DPS just like a pure. Everyone loves to talk about how nice that was back in BC, but it was just a major fuck you to anyone who wanted to dps as a hybrid.

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