I played rogue for 2 years, I got 2900. I played lock for THREE DAYS and got 2920. Your statement is invalid. Casters are SOOO much easier than melee. You get to play, you have more than one trinket, you have spam-able cc and you have a ranged kick. Go away
It's all those skilled Mages and Warlocks who are just better players.
Which is fine. Melee is for pve/kids b/c they are easier to play. I always go back to my mario kart or F-zero (for older players) example.
For Mario Kart, Koopa Troopa and Yoshi were great for intermediate play b/c very forgiving, great turning + acceleration. However, you were going to lose to a well played Bowser/DK that didn't make mistakes b/c higher top speed (SKILL CAP).
That's why most of you play melee. Brainless easy train town. If that was viable at top end tournament play the game would be in serious trouble.
It's really gross that Warlocks/Sham and Druid/Mage have been this supreme for over a year. Like sure everybody has their time in the light but S14+S15 has just flat out been neglected (cheating, balance, bots etc.) and Blizzard has lost many great players as result. The damage is done. The streamers that continue to make money off the game are going to continue playing or try to transition to another game, the Blizzcon winners are going to continue practicing to win their prize money, but those who don't make a living off doing caries or streaming and play this game as a hobby have been let down big time.
I am giving WoD a chance to see if I can play with a long time friend of mine (a frost DK). We haven't been able to compete together since S9 due to both of our classes being absolute garbage. Honestly if i'm forced to play with a Hunter that can replace my class with literally any other class and have a higher potential I will be done with this game and find another hobby. Or do the $11,000 worth of Ret carries i've been declining and turn into "one of those guys".
Or you can look at yourself as a "gamer" and not some strange lore/pve/LARP/fantasy ret pally and just roll a viable class and play with your friend? If you guys are exceptional players you would be able to find acceptable classes and make them work. Go roll a hunter and make him happy. Guess he's not that good of a friend.
It's a FUCKING GAME.
If you cannot complete successfully at any other class/spec than ret pal you are, in my eyes, shit at this game.
The "try hard style being punished instead of being rewarded" part is so true for almost every class in the game right now. I miss WotLK playstyle of rogues when u had to think about everything, had to follow the dr timers on your healer to not get globalled, had to vanish saps of cc to cc for 5 more seconds (now u just save vanish to not get gibbed or to gib someone), i miss the cloak being used before blinding priests to avoid the SW:D, i miss kicking warriors intervene to be able to vanish sap the healer, i miss fake kicks (WOAH mind blown these days). The thing i miss the most is vanishing cc - felt so good.
But then again... i play rogue and im biased like fk. I hate hunters since TBC. Being able to jump around and do physical dmg from range is beyond me.
Let's not fantasize WOTLK beings some kind of pvp Nirvana. I'll tell you a story very similar to Dillypoo. I came back after a long break and started running lock/hunt/rdruid in s6 of Wotlk. We got stuck right around 2.2k mmr. We were particularly struggling with RMP and rogue/dk/priest that would train our rdruid. I would try to cross peel w/ fury + fears, help kite, predict rdruids movements etc. Sooner or later he would drop.
My team recommended I peel and fear less and hope for RNG crits. At that point in xpac destros had like 15-20% crit, pretty low, but if you crit conflag with a CB you were guaranteed to be in shadowburn range for execute, esp since locks were using 2pc pve. So for a few games I took FEAR OFF MY HOTBAR and just kept pumping out mongo damage hoping for gibs. We shot up 250 rating.
I was disgusted and took an 8 month break from wow. This is the WOTLK I remember. From what I hear s8 was pretty good but let's not kid ourselves about seasons 5-7.
i know you do not understand how mage works and are being facetious, but this is actually exactly my point
fingers of frost only procs off orb (1 min cd) range nova (20 sec cd) and frostbolt (have to get a cast off, not steady shot, a real cast)
you also generate icicles by getting frostbolts off
so, yeah, if you have a move that doesn't have a cooldown but will do about ~5k damage with no procs/freeze/icicles, it requires a lot more work to set up 5 icicles and procs than just hitting chimera shot when it lights up
ffb doesn't really do very much damage, but admittedly hitting it whenever you get a proc from LB ticking is a bad mechanic
I think you are a bit delusional and full of bias. You made good points when comparing CC, mage vs hunters. The ease and predictability of hunter cc being the major difference.However,Mages currently have the most mongo and easy to setup damage of any class. It WOULD take some skill if orbs only procced off human players (not pets, etc) or if you needed to setup procs w/ frostbolts. You are calling waiting for procs to stack up then rolling your face on alter time skillful game play to setup burst? Please.In my eyes, mage is the mongo caster class in terms of frequency and potency of instant casts. Mage has to be selective with poly (b/c it heals) and it's tricky to stay alive when trained (need lots of peels, i.e. rogues) that's about it.I know we are hating on hunters at the moment but come on, mages are mongo as fuck and not far behind. Gone are the glory days of considering mage the "skill class" or spec.