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#3947276 Warrior: Class analysis and critique for PvP

Posted Caeser on 24 September 2013 - 06:22 PM

Im making this write-up here because I feel its a long time coming. I started developing these feelings and opinions at the end of Wrath, but I was confident that blizzard would steer warriors back onto a good path.  With the release of Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria, I have waited long enough for blizzard to take warriors in a healthy direction, and now I feel it is time that I voice my opinion.

This write-up is not to analyze arena viability, because in the past warrior arena viability has been determined by whether or not warriors are putting out insane damage/one-shotting people. Having damage contribute the most to warrior arena viability is not healthy for warriors long-term, and also indicates a poor ability pool that is not worth taking to arenas if it doesn't bring monster damage as well. Sadly, warriors have notoriously had a feast or famine approach to arena viability, and it was always whether or not we did alot of damage. What is needed is a step back to take a broad look at the class as a whole, because the warrior kit is not in a healthy state, and the outlook looks grim.

The warriors of today are the resulting mess of many "band-aid" patches to "get warriors by" until the next patch or end of the expansion. Simple number buffs to Slam, Mortal Strike, or Deep Wounds, have been blizzard's efforts to help warriors mid-expansion, particularly in cata and mop. These number fixes only serve to get warriors viable again in PvP or Pve temporarily, and the fixes often take warriors into an uncomfortable situation of being too strong but having no other place to go as a class. The slow process of removing old pieces of the warrior kit, and replacing them with damage buffs, has gotten us the warrior of today.

The problematic relationship between warrior skill floor and ceiling:
The first thing I'll talk about is warrior skill floor and ceiling. This topic has been address at length in the past by people much higher rated than me, so I will only mention what I feel is new or relevant.

Right now, warriors are a class that is easily accessible to lesser experienced or new players. This is ok, just because a class is easy to pick up doesn't mean it isn't hard to master. So, having a low skill floor (the minimum effort required to enjoy success with the class) isn't necessarily bad. However, warriors have lost pieces of their kit over time, and as a result have now have a lower skill ceiling. The skill ceiling is the maximum potential for a classes performance, it gives a player room to distinguish himself from worse players. Good players now have less tools to use overall, and our current tools are much more simplified. Watching Johnny 2200 play his warrior is nearly the same as watching a 2800 warrior play.

Warriors need less abilities that have only one function, and more abilities that can be used multiple ways or interact with other abilities to produce a different result. There are not many decisions to be made as a warrior because the playstyle has been simplified significantly. Multi-tasking is nearly non-existant, and the different decisions to be made simultaneously aren't exactly difficult. I'm not saying that warriors need to be DK, Mage or Lock tier of multi-tasking, but bringing more depth would be nice. Bring in more ways for good players to distinguish themselves from lesser players.

Swifty one-shotting and its constant resurfacing for warriors:
The next topic I wanted to talk about is tied in with the warrior skill floor/ceiling discussion, and that is swifty one-shot scenarios and their recurring place in warrior playstyle. Before cata, warriors were not "one-shot" robots that turned on all cooldowns and killed the closest poor bastard they could find. The strongest case you could make would be Lich King bladestorm situations, but even that could be disarmed and the damage was dealt over 6 seconds anyway.

There are three abilities that allow for these retarded swifty burst situations to constantly return in a new patch or expac: Colossus Smash, Recklessness, and Skull Banner. As long as these abilities exist together with their current effects, warriors will be unable to get a new offensive cooldown or more utility without completely neutering one of the big three. This season, warrior damage is treading the razor's edge of balance and warriors aren't one-shotting people. However, the potential for one-shot situations will always return due to the nature of the big three.

The big three are troublesome because they're not simply static damage like a mortal strike or lava lash, they're multipliers. A damage multiplier like death wish or avatar is ok, because armor still exists as a foil to the physical damage. So, just because you have a flat +30% damage doesn't mean you're killing everything in sight, armor still exists to reduce your now higher damage by a percentage: the armor scales with the modifier. Now we add in colossus smash, which removes half of the targets armor. The damage is still manageable, and high burst can be healthy. However, add Reck and Banner into the mix and we have a problem. When an attack crits, it deals double damage. Crits add more burst, but Skull Banner increases that burst. So now, your burst is even more bursty, creating a nasty situation where abilities can deal 30% of a players health in one blow (this isnt even a sole warrior problem, other classes have it too).

These abilities are not necessarily broken when used alone, or even when using two at once. But each multiplies damage, and when you multiply a source of damage three times before it hits the health pool of the enemy you're in for trouble. In my humble opinion, Skull Banner is the problem ability. If you see a warrior CS someone and pop reck+avatar, it isn't necessarily the end of the world. because he can be CC'd or disarmed. However, banner affects the entire party, and destroying the banner in the heat of battle can be hard while Timmy Frostmage and Johnny Armswar are one-shotting your teammate with crits. Bottom line? Lessen the insane crit burst of warriors and increase consistent damage. There is a reason that warriors have consistently been middle of the pack or at the bottom of DPS in Pve the entire expansion and parts of Cata. Too much of our damage is focused in Colossus Smash burst windows, and the problem is made worse when adding avatar/reck/banner.

The simplistic state of the warrior kit:
My last topic is going to be one that is a bit more abstract: the health of the warrior kit. This problem goes hand-in-hand with the second topic, because the absurd burst damage is the result of having to be reimbursed for losing other portions of our kit. Since the kit is now simplified and focused mostly on damage, you arrive to the problem of my first topic. Its a vicious cycle, and as you can see these three problems are tied together closely.

Warrior kit. What does it mean? If you've read ghostcrawler's dev blogs or his forum posts, or even Xypherous's posts in the league forums, its the entire package of a class. Different abilities come together to form a coherent playstyle, and gives the class a solid identity. Warriors have had strong and unique portions of their playstyle changed or discarded entirely over time. When you take away more things a warrior can do, you give him less decisions to make. When there are less decisions to make, the playstyle devolves into mongoloid beast-cleave style training. You arrive to the warrior we have now, the Slam-spamming piece of shit thats been pushed on us since cata.

Shield play, at one time, was a defining aspect of warriors. No other classes weaved in the use of a shield so effectively or frequently in the midst of a fight. Combined with stance dancing, shield play made the arms warrior extremely unique and added a distinct flavor to the spec. In dire straits, you could defensive stance with shield block to mitigate incoming physical damage, but also deal good damage at the same time. However, these things weren't done with just pressing shield wall like today, the player had to think quickly and utilize multiple abilities. Shield play encouraged interesting decision making, on-the-fly judgments, and added depth to arms. A good warrior knew how to maximize both offensive and defensive potential at any time using a combination of abilities. Shield play was one of the ways a good player could show he was better than a lesser player.

This is a direct 180 in comparison to now. Warriors don't even keep a shield in their bags for pvp, they have no reason to. Shield play has been completely erased, and I feel arms warriors are worse off for it. Warriors now have simple derp abilities that create something I call "death knight syndrome." Abilities like 5.4 Shield Wall/Reflect, Die by the Sword, Divine Protection, Shamanistic Rage, etc. These kinds of abilities are dull, and they all support stupid mongoloid playstyles that let you ignore hard pressure being applied to you while you continue to burst someone. This is a problem across most classes, not just warriors.

What the fuck is death knight syndrome? Its when a class(in the case of mop, multiple classes) have many abilities that require little input from the player and dont allow much/any counterplay from the enemy. Why did I call it death knight syndrome? Death Knight's were the first class to utilize many of the kind of "derp" spells I mentioned earlier. Icebound Fortitude and Anti-Magic Shell are prime examples. They allow you to keep on training your target while being unpeelable. IBF keeps damage low on you and you cant be stunned. You completely ignore all crowd control while AMS is up. These kinds of abilities, with low user input and little room for counterplay, are allowing players to play like mongoloids and enjoy great success.

Ok, im going to clear up something or else you guys will think im just dumping on death knights. Death Knights, in the current form, utilize IBF and AMS just fine because they have many other decisions to make. The derp spells of death knights don't make their class unhealthy because the death knight has many other things to manage. Pet placement, focus gnaw, focus strang, focus grip, focus chains, multiple DPS cooldowns, proper rune management, etc. The Death Knight playstyle utilizes the derp cooldowns in a healthy way because death knights have so much else going on and many decisions to make, so its ok if one facet of their playstyle is simpler. In addition, unholy's damage is predominantly consistent over-time damage, they're not capable of the same burst as Arms or Ret.

So why the fuck did I just dedicate 2 paragraphs to DKs on a warrior forum? To show that having simple derp abilities isn't always bad, but adding derp abilities to a class that already has very few decisions to make is bad and unhealthy(in this case, to the warrior). As I mentioned before, warriors dont have much going on in the midst of a fight due to having less abilities to utilize. Warriors have an extremely simply dps rotation with only one random proc, and rage is very easy to manage. In addition, warrior utility and peels are simple in nature and aren't particularly complex. The class that already suffered from issues of being too simple and shallow is now even more simple and shallow.

Conclusion and hope (or dread) for the future:
So, why did I write this fucking novel? 5.4 has made be worried for where warriors are going. As I mentioned at the start of this, I have faith in blizzard to steer warriors back in a good direction. I hope in my heart of hearts that they increase the depth of the warrior's playstyle and make them interesting again.These things are not impossible to accomplish. However, the one thing that made me lose faith was seeing the shield requirement removed from SW and SR.

You're going to say "the change was good, shields were a pain in the ass and it was for quality of life." and you would be right. But, the removal of the shield requirement is an indication that blizzard has given up on the idea of ever bringing back shield play. Removing the shield requirement was the last remaining sliver of shield-use for arms. Yes, having SW and SR require a shield for the modern warrior is stupid, because the rest of the shield play abilities have been removed. Having one part remain from shield play isn't interesting and it was holding the class back. Now with no remnants of using a shield at all, I fear blizzard is going to fully give up on the idea of increasing warrior depth and simplifying the class even further. As we are now, Shield Wall is now just another fire-and-forget mongoloid spell, and warriors are more uninteresting for it.

But this write-up isn't just about bitching. If this entire thing came off as whiney, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way. The entire point of this was to bring attention to warrior problems that weren't just "wahhh my damage" or "wahhhh my viability." I wanted to bring attention back to old facets of warrior playstyle that were fun as well as interesting. I don't want blizzard to keep dumbing down warriors. We weren't always just slam-spamming pieces of shit, at one time we were unique, our playstyle was diverse, and good warriors were different from bad.

I bring all this up in hopes for the new expansion. Please, help bring blizzard's eyes to these issues. I'm so sick of hearing about people talking about being viable or broken because of too much damage. Damage is easily adjusted, people. They're just numbers. What isn't easily changed are playstyles and kits. You're not going to get a warlock-tier class revamp in the middle of an expansion. If we do not voice our concerns now then we will have another expansion of dull, boring horse shit, and we will have nobody to blame but ourselves. Blizzard has shown they will listen, they heard our feedback for 5.4. This is entirely possible.

Tl:dr: Enough bitching about numbers or "muh viability", the biggest issue is the unhealthy state of the warrior kit and playstyle. This is what we need to be asking of blizzard, not number changes.

also inb4 no skulls, criticizing my rating, or "tldr"

#3826420 MAJOR Cyclone nerf!

Posted Lawan on 23 December 2012 - 09:16 AM

I'm glad I quit this game

#3811391 The 5 Stages of 5.1

Posted Djandawg on 27 November 2012 - 04:31 AM

5. Acceptance
Reaching this stage of mourning is a gift not afforded to everyone. Nerfs may be sudden and unexpected or we may never understand the reasoning or the logic because we have been broken for so many years, we thought it has been perfectly within our right to be exempt from the basic game mechanics.

It is not necessarily a mark of bravery to resist the inevitable and to deny ourselves the opportunity to learn to play the game that other healers have been playing for years. This phase is marked by withdrawal and calm and ultimately, a subscription to Skill-capped videos.

#3814107 Lumberjack lol

Posted Eazymothafukne on 01 December 2012 - 04:14 PM

So was doing 3s for 2.2 grind for luls and we vsd bobjobs god comp and well..yeah.

#3758088 5.4 PVP Power and Resilience Guide

Posted Eldacar on 03 September 2012 - 01:00 AM

***With the release of Patch 6.0 leading up to Warlords, this guide is fully out-of-date, a full re-write is in progress***

Eldacar's Guide to PVP Power & Resilience

Hello PVP'ers! For those of you that don't know me I go by Eldacar and I am a long time PVP'er and PVP Theorycrafter, as well as a member of Blizzard's forum MVP program. I write PVP focused guides and do everything I can to help the PVP community grow and prosper, which is why I wrote this PVP Stats Guide. You can find me on twitter as @EldacarJS and on the US Official Forums as [email protected] This guide goes into a lot of detail and gets into some complex stuff in a few places, if you have questions leave them in the comments and I will answer them as best I can.

- The base damage reduction of Resilience was increased to 72%.
- The Resilience rating to damage reduction conversion formula was altered.

Summary & Key Points:
-Resilience has linear returns, +100 Resilience rating increases your effective health by 1.235% relative to displayed health.
-PVP Power has linear returns, +400 PVP Power gives you +1% damage or healing in PVP (before spec modifiers).
-The latest season's PVP gear is generally the best gear for instanced PVP, however in world PVP players with heroic raiding gear will have an advantage.
-PVP Power does not cancel out a target's Resilience but it will still help you hit them or heal them harder.
-It is generally ineffective to gem for PVP Power, gemming for primary stats is more effective in most cases.
-The PVP trinket set bonus offers roughly 8.25% effective damage reduction and will always increase your effective health by 32.11% of your displayed health.

Table of Contents:

Section 1 - Resilience
1A - The Exponential Returns of Damage Reduction
1B - The Diminishing Returns of Resilience Rating
1C - Baseline Damage Reduction
1D - Effective Health
1E - The Full Scale of Resilience
1F – Resilience on Items

Section 2 - PVP Power
2A - The Absolute vs Relative Returns of PVP Power
2B - PVP Power's Interaction with Resilience

Section 3 - Gemming for PVP

Section 4 - Closing Thoughts and Remarks

Section 5 - Appendix
Appendix A - Valuation and Frame of Reference
Appendix B - Formulas

Section 1 - Resilience

Everyone reading this likely already has at least a general understanding of how Resilience works; its fundamental purpose is to provide percentage based damage reduction against all damage done by players, the more Resilience you have the less damage you take. That is fairly straightforward and easy to understand; however understanding how the stat scales and all the factors at work is more complicated. There are three main factors that go into how Resilience scales, first is the exponential returns of percentage based damage reduction, second is the diminishing returns of Resilience rating, and third is the baseline 72% reduction that all players have in PVP.

Section 1A - The Exponential Returns of Damage Reduction

The effects of percentage based damage reduction scale exponentially, the more you have the more valuable additional damage reduction becomes. For example, let's say someone is hitting you for 100 damage, if you have 0% damage reduction and you add 1% that 100 damage is reduced to 99 damage, a 1% effective reduction. However if you already have 90% damage reduction and you add another 1% that 100 base damage which was already reduced to 10 is now further reduced to 9. That change in incoming damage from 10 to 9 is a 10% reduction in actual damage taken by adding just 1% of damage reduction.

Here is a graph that shows how the value of damage reduction increases as you gain more:

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As you can see at 50% damage reduction additional reduction is worth twice as much as normal, at 90% its worth ten times as much as normal. This kind of scaling isn't unique to Resilience, armor and any other percentage based damage reduction (even in other games) function the same way. Games control the overall scaling of these mechanics by manipulating how fast you are awarded the damage reduction.

One additional note on this, in World of Warcraft different damage reduction mechanics have multiplicative relationships NOT additive, what that means is that the value scaling for any one of these mechanics is only accurate within that one mechanic. At 50% damage reduction from Resilience an extra 1% from Resilience is effectively worth 2%, however none of this has any bearing on the value of additional damage reduction from say armor, that scales totally independently but in a similar fashion. Because these defensive stats scale independently from each other and have a multiplicative relationship they can each be examined and valued independently.

Section 1B - The Diminishing Returns of Resilience Rating

For Resilience the main factor that counters the exponential scaling of percentage based damage reduction is the diminishing returns on Resilience rating. The more Resilience rating you have the less damage reduction is awarded by each additional point of rating, as shown in the graph below. This is how Blizzard controls the overall scaling of Resilience as a whole, and it is what they change when they want to alter the way Resilience scales.

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As you can see in the graph, the amount of additional damage reduction provided by additional Resilience gradually declines as Resilience rating increases.

Section 1C - Baseline PVP Damage Reduction

Mists of Pandaria added a new factor to the way Resilience scales, the baseline PVP damage reduction that all players have which was increased from 65% to 72% in patch 5.4. What this has effectively done is significantly shrink the damage reduction gap between under geared players and fully geared players. This combined with the limited availability of Resilience on gear and through gems has significantly lessened the impact of resilience as a stat at level 90. The difference in damage reduction between a fresh level 90 and someone in the best possible pvp gear is now relatively small.

Section 1D - Effective Health

Effective Health (or EH) is perhaps the most critical metric for measuring survivability. Effective health is essentially how much pre-mitigated damage it takes to kill you. If you have 100k health and 0% damage reduction your effective health is just that same 100k. However if you have 100k health and 50% damage reduction your effective health is 200k, because someone would need to do the equivalent of 200k pre-mitigaged damage to kill you.

It is also important to note that more than just increasing the size of your effective health pool, damage reduction also increases the relative effectiveness of heals on you. With 50% damage reduction a 1k heal actually restores 2k of effective health. This is one of the reasons why increasing your effective health through damage reduction is better than increasing your effective health an equivalent amount through raw stamina.

Effective health is really the stat that best indicates the value you are getting from Resilience and it is the stat you need to be paying attention to when evaluating the survivability of your character. Effective health is displayed on the graphs below as a percentage relative to displayed health, an effective health (EH) value of 150% for a player with a 100k displayed health pool would mean that player has an effective health from just Resilience of 150k. When you factor in other effects like armor and damage reduction from talents your EH is higher but we are just looking at Resilience by itself here.

Looking at effective health over the full scale of resilience as shown below illustrates how the exponential returns of damage reduction and the diminishing returns of Resilience rating combine to cancel each other out and generate perfectly linear returns.

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As you can see the effective health returns of resilience are perfectly linear, adding 100 Resilience rating will always increase your effective health by 1.235% relative to your displayed health.

Section 1E - The Full Scale of Resilience

This next graph brings it all together displaying both the scaling of damage reduction and effective health based on Resilience rating at level 90 in patch 5.4.

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This graph should drive home once again that although the damage reduction you get from additional Resilience diminishes the more you get your effective health continues in a linear fashion anyway thanks to the increasing relative value of that damage reduction.

Section 1F - Resilience on Items

At this point you may be thinking "I want to get as much resilience as possible and become totally unkillable!" which sounds great, but unfortunately it is a bit impractical. Although there is no Resilience cap you are extremely limited in the amount of resilience you can get in game on current season items. Most fully geared players will have around 3375, which is what you get from the PVP trinket set bonus and the PVP meta gem. The lack of resilience on gear is not a big issue because currently a player with nothing but the baseline 72% reduction already has 357% effective health, which is more than most fully geared players had at the end of Cataclysm.

For those of you contemplating using a PVE trinket or two here are some facts to help you make your decision. The 2600 Resilience offered by the PVP trinket set bonus provides roughly 2.31% additional damage reduction from baseline, which is about 8.25% effective damage reduction after factoring in the value scaling. Furthermore the set bonus will always increase your effective health by 32.11% relative to displayed health, so if you are currently at baseline you would go from 357% EH to 389% EH.

Section 2 - PVP Power

PVP Power is a relatively new stat introduced to the game in Mists of Pandaria which acts as the offensive compliment to Resilience. The idea behind this new stat is to encourage players to use PVP gear in PVP by putting major PVP-only offensive gains onto PVP gear (or in the case of healers, healing gains). PVP Power increases all damage done to players (under all circumstances), and healing done (while outside PVE-instances), by a percentage that increases based on how much PVP Power rating you have. The amount of each bonus you get is also dependent on your class and spec.

-Healing specs receive 100% of the healing bonus but 0% of the damage bonus
-All other specs receive 100% of the damage bonus and a partial healing bonus depending on class.
-Damage specs for Druids, Monks, Paladins, Priests, and Shamans receive a 70% healing bonus.
-All other specializations and classes (including tanking) receive a 40% bonus to healing from PvP Power.

PVP Power is currently the primary differentiator between PVP gear and PVE gear. It is a "free" stat on PVP gear, meaning it is not factored into the item's stat budget. As a result when comparing PVP items to PVE items of the same item level all the general-purpose stats should be equivalent but the PVP gear will have PVP Power on it as well making it a better choice for PVP. This fact is particularly important due to the presence of item level limits in all instanced PVP. The item level limits change with each season, but their purpose is to limit the item level of PVE gear to be equal to or lower than the item level of the current season's PVP gear. These two factors together generally ensure that the current season's PVP gear is always the best gear for instanced PVP. However the item level limits do not function in the open world, so in world PVP a player in the latest heroic raiding gear will likely (and unfortunately) have a large gear advantage.

Section 2A - The Absolute vs Relative Returns of PVP Power

PVP Power's scaling is very straight forward; it has linear returns when looking at it in an absolute sense, adding 400 PVP Power will always give you another +1% damage or healing in PVP depending on your spec. So every additional point of PVP Power will increase your damage/healing by the same amount. However I have seen some players around the forums describing PVP Power as having diminishing returns, and they are correct to an extent.

If you evaluate the returns of PVP Power in a relative sense it does have diminishing returns, going from 0%-1% will give you the same absolute damage increase as going from 30-31%, but in the latter case that damage increase is smaller relative to the damage you are already doing. Virtually everything in the game operates the same way. Think about primary stats for example; +3000 strength would give a warrior a pretty nice bump in damage right now. However if Blizzard said "Hey we like you random warrior!" and bumped their strength up to 100,000 then that +3000 strength would suddenly be worth a lot less to them even though it would still increase their damage by the same amount. The reality is that in order for a stat to offer you consistent relative gains as you gear up the stat would need to have increasing absolute returns, in other words it would need to give you more and more damage or healing the more of it you got. (For more info on absolute vs relative valuation see Appendix A)

Now it is time to look at the actual scaling of PVP power, which is shown in the graph below.

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As shown in this graph PVP Power's returns are perfectly linear. You gain either +1% damage or healing for every 400 PVP Power you have, this is also the “baseline” upon which the reduced healing bonuses for non-healing spec are based. The red line shows the healing bonus for hybrids (70% of baseline), and the yellow line shows the healing bonus for everyone else (40% of baseline).

Section 2B - PVP Power's Interaction with Resilience

The most common misconception that most players seem to have about PVP Power is that it acts as a kind of "Resilience Penetration" which counteracts the target's damage reduction 1 for 1, that is simply not true. PVP Power increases your damage by the percentage shown in your stat panel, it always increases it by that same amount regardless of how much damage reduction the target has. Your outgoing damage is calculated first, then the target's damage reduction mitigates that damage according to their stats.

Take for example a warrior who's swing always does 100 damage in PVE. This warrior gets a +50% damage increase from PVP Power in PVP, so that 100 damage get's increased to 150 damage in PVP. This warrior has now decided to attack a paladin that looked at him the wrong way. Lets say the paladin has +50% damage reduction; so when the warrior's 150 damage hits him it is reduced to down to 75. That is how PVP Power and Resilience interact, the outgoing damage is boosted up by PVP Power, then the total incoming damage is mitigated down by Resilience.

Section 3 - Gemming for PVP

One of the most popular questions I get is "What should I gem for?" Unfortunately I cannot provide a clear cut answer to that question. The answer is dependent on your gear level, class, spec, play style and more. My recommendation is to check how the pros of your class/spec are gemming, and then experiment to see what works best for your personal play style. However I will say that it is typically ineffective to gem PVP Power at level 90, gemming primary stats is generally more effective for damage or healing.

Choosing the best gem for survivability is significantly more complicated. Stamina gems will almost always provide you with more effective health, but Resilience gems don't lag too far behind in the effective health they add. Additionally Resilience gems scale up in value proportional to the amount of healing you receive because they increase the amount of effective health restored by that healing. For now I recommend gemming for resilience if you are looking to increase your survivability, but I will look at this topic in more depth in a future guide.

Section 4 - Closing Thoughts and Remarks

I hope that this guide has been illuminating for everyone that has taken the time to read it, I have tried to provide as much accurate and detailed information as possible about the way these stats work. If you have questions about these stats or about anything written here feel free to ask and I will do my best to get you an answer.

I error checked this guide many times however I am still human, so if you believe you see an error please let know and I will look into it. I also want to make it clear that although I am a member of Blizzard's Forum MVP program I am NOT a Blizzard employee and nothing in this guide is based on any kind of inside information. All the data in this guide was all generated based on direct in-game observation and calculations based on that observed data.

General Notes
-This guide is written for level 90 players, the numbers are different at lower levels
-This guide just underwent a major update and revision, if you notice a typo please let me know!
-Some of the graph types from previous versions of the guide have been removed to reduce the complexity of the guide, but may return in the future.

Section 5 - Appendices

This is some additional information about some of the ideas, concepts, and data discussed in this guide. Additional appendices may be added over time as needed.

Appendix A - Valuation and Frame of Reference

Absolute valuation compares numbers based on addition and subtraction, IE going from 30% damage reduction to 60% damage reduction is an absolute gain of 30%. Relative valuation compares numbers using ratios, IE going from 30% damage reduction to 60% damage reduction is a relative gain of 100%. Why is this important? Because taking the example a step further, going from 60% to 90% is an absolute gain of 30%, exactly the same as before, but it is a relative gain of 50%, half as much as before. So if this trend were to continue, it would signify linear absolute returns but diminishing relative returns. This guide primarily uses absolute valuation because it is much easier to understand and work with when comparing a large number of data points to a common baseline.

Frame of reference is another critical concept for evaluating data, particularly when most of the data is in percentages. There are two basic methods that can be used to evaluate a string of data points; constant frame of reference, or progressive frame of reference. Constant frame of reference uses one common baseline value as a reference point, every data point is compared to that baseline. In contrast a progressive frame of reference compares each data point to the data point before it. Take for example this set of data points: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. On a graph using a constant frame of reference they would be displayed as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (all data points were compared to a baseline of 0). However on a graph using a progressive frame of reference they would be displayed as 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 (each data point was 1 larger than the number before it).

Using a constant frame of reference makes it much easier to evaluate the actual changes in the progression of a data set, where as using a relative frame of reference allows you to better evaluate changes in the rate of change over the progression of a data set. Since we are more interested in the actual changes than the rate of change when viewing the scaling of stats I chose to use a constant frame of reference for the graphs in this guide.

Appendix B - Formulas

The formula I use to calculate damage reduction from resilience in patch 5.4 is:
Reduction %  = ((28900*0.72)+x)/(28900+x)
x represents resilience rating.

The formula I use to calculate damage increase from PVP is:
Damage increase %  =  x/400
x represents PVP Power rating

#3703180 Warriors and the Arena

Posted Nermó on 15 May 2012 - 11:46 AM

View PostEspenbv88, on 15 May 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

Are you serious? Mobility is obviously the problem and damage is more than fine.

Yes im serious. Warrior's damage is not comparable to other classes unless they have heroic gurthalak. Their mobility is the best in this game atm.

#3692408 is Slam really needed to do good dmg?

Posted Annihilate on 24 April 2012 - 08:33 PM

It's a lot easier to get slams off than people make it sound in this thread.

Unfortunately, using slam or not using slam doesn't really matter if you're playing a warrior because you're playing a warrior  :lol:

#3700044 what does avatar look like?

Posted bl00dlust on 08 May 2012 - 02:32 PM

cool.. exactly what i wanted.  thanks............................

#3696616 spell reflect back to 30 sec cd

Posted yarubi on 01 May 2012 - 06:43 PM

fuck this :(

#3643231 Funeral for warriors

Posted CrimsonGX on 16 February 2012 - 08:45 PM

rend ability. from hitting for 2 dmg, to being linked to TfB and almost becoming 4x on enraged targets.

this 1 is 4 u

#3607708 recklessness. i hate you so much.

Posted Tfgreenacre_3240035 on 07 January 2012 - 12:15 AM

View PostDurial, on 06 January 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

If you see nothing wrong with recklessness then Idk what to say, you're telling me, as a gimped class, I have to monitor the situation, ensuring nobody in the other team has any peeling abilities or anything else? While every other class can go full out, whenever they want, without suffering a penalty for it? LoL. Makes sense to me, a class that's already suffering, once more, has to play way better, with decreased effect even then.

cool class reallyy

That is exactly what i'm saying. This isn't s9 anymore son, shape up, warriors are weak, outplay the opposition or re-roll rogue.

Or continue to whine in forums Blizzard don't give two shits about.

#3606754 recklessness. i hate you so much.

Posted misios on 05 January 2012 - 06:43 PM

imo warrior mechanics are outdated compared to other cleave mechanics - but tbh the mechanics should be like warrior ones - even though they are weak now.

#3606554 recklessness. i hate you so much.

Posted Ynxeu on 05 January 2012 - 12:42 PM

View PostSilhin, on 05 January 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

I bit out dated yes BUT!

Last thing i want to see is warrior becoming the UNKILLABLE UNSTOPABLE FORCE

With a dispeller behind them there pretty hard to Control and with somthing like a icebound on them i just see alot of Lawl iam sitting at 20% but iam gonna YELL down this hallways as i tunnel you moments

Last thing i want a is another Dk class that Ams at the start of arena just u cant cc em
you pretty much summed up your own class at the moment: ROGUE

#3606460 recklessness. i hate you so much.

Posted Dakkrothy on 05 January 2012 - 09:20 AM

anyone whos trying to argue against the fact that warriors have by far the worst defensive mechanics in the game r either dumb or ignorant

#3603236 lowest warrior representation since s5

Posted Powerslave on 31 December 2011 - 01:45 PM

you retards it's because you're not fully geared and fully epic gemmed with reds yet

when you are you will grossly outscale the enemy!