TteSPORTSDoomsen, on 26 March 2014 - 10:04 PM, said:
Why do WoW players always have to put the posters class into it, just because I say that Holy is a stupid specc, it does not mean that I disagree with other classes (maybe my own?!) being too strong. That's just the way idiots think and argue with. There's no point of really going against the points u listed, because as said before, you wont listen anyway. But you wrote a lot of bullshit once again, as I'm not suprised of it.
I'll be glad when disc gets buffed and holy is no more and that's the last thing I'll say to this.
As pointed out by many others, multiple times, you are the idiot here. You randomly pop in and say stuff like "most priests are terrible". and spec takes no skill. Let me explain as you seem being incapable of putting two and two together.
Pointing out that you play in a gay and brainless way, spending hours drooling, refreshing dots at the pillar and cloning once a week; that you play a class that has every "low skill" component that the holy priest has and more, is pointing out your hypocrisy and you judging what is skillful and what isn't. And that is a natural response to your comment.
Again almost everyone who played priest before Mop would prefer disc, but your way of expressing yourself is flawed.
TteSPORTSDoomsen, on 26 March 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:
I don't know what to say to this because you're one of those kids on this website that you can't convince anyway. Holy should not be a PvP specc and I'm glad that it's not as viable / most priests just being terrible at this game. Atleast I'm glad that few of the priests that don't, share my opinion.
If you don't know what to say, it is often best not to say anything, so that you don't look worse.
You hump the pillar and spam hots for 50+ hours a week. Once a month you land a soul clone on a warrior that has overextended and that is the most extreme thing you do. It is all because resto druids are retardedly strong.This doesn't mean you get act like you are the epitome of skill, all it means is you get to play as brainless and gay and succeed, then convince yourself that what you are doing is skillful.
All of these holy priest zero skill opinions were formed during the half season where pom was healing more than it should. You can make swiftmend heal %60 more, or healing stream, or word of glory etc. then all classes would seem retarded and skillless because at the end of the day, heavy damage or healing solves majority of the problems in this game.
Just don't sell us the skill story, when (as opposed to priest) your class can't be interrupted, doesn't have to cast, lands every cc because cc can't be interrupted, grounded, reflected or outranged due to soul of the forest. Your cc can't be dispelled, %90 of the current comps have at least one way to break fear. You get to break cc because retarded comps you play, where priest can't break any. Not having to deal with actual healer problems due to wrong design mechanics or having a solution to everything, doesn't make a class more skillful
In all fairness, no one cares what priest healer spec is viable, we just need one that is working that's all.
TteSPORTSDoomsen, on 25 March 2014 - 11:21 AM, said:
They need to buff Discipline and make Holy not viable for PvP anymore, since the skill cap of healing as holy is lower than of any other healer by far.
It's ok we already got heavy skill cap healing rotation characters covered by druids and shamans.They have to keep track of multiple buffs to min/max healing. They are also susceptible to interrupts because they have to cast so much, mainly due to having no instant heals and major healing spells being so weak, leading to long casts.
If we can take holy priest healing to the high skill cap level healing of shamans and druids,maybe we won't have to buff disc.
Because after all we don't want this game to take zero skill, right?
Rmp w/ Mindcontrol is insane, possibly as good as with druid.
Yes it is as good as with druid.` Because cc'ing yourself for 8 seconds is as good as landing pounce -> clones -> roots -> bash -> clones on warrior while using multiple globals freely.
Not to mention that it works on inadaptive monkeys.
Because this is the last update before WoD right? No more changes, no more announcements. This is it people.
You are rocking some sarcasm there while you don't realize that with Blizzard, the retarded stuff that is announced 6 months before an expansion is more likely to go live than not.
Realistically, druids should be getting cast time on mushroom + swiftmend , shamans should get cast time on healing stream and riptide or earth shield.
Look how brutal the changes are for paladins and priests, those instant casts happen to be their absolute best healing spells also. Keep in mind that those classes finished the expansion as bottom two healers. Meanwhile they give wild growth a cast time to balance. It just demonstrates how low is the understanding of game mechanics of devs.
About disc vs holy, first of all disc in arena will never be good for the following reasons:
-The spec can't be buffed; as of today, using top 100 25m HC parses, disc priest averages 263k hps(second after shamans), holy priest averages 171k. So they can't buff stuff like mana efficiency , healing output etc for disc.
-As mentioned, battle fatigue and absence of 3x grace protection make things tragic for the spec.
-The spec is expected to work with atonement. In pvp, it doesn't work as you can't holy fire for 200k. It is more like 20k crit, into battle fatigue'd heal.
As for scaling, there is a reason why disc priest is %50 better than holy at high gear raiding environment. Holy priest scaling is comical and after playing some games on PTR I think it's pretty obvious that holy is going to be the pvp spec anyway. So it turns out that, the worst pve healer spec is the arena spec for priests.
On top of everything, priests got almost every cool iconic ability either nerfed or removed with close to no compensation.(as mentioned by posters above). So we are at a point where priest is: -The only healer that doesn't have an additional cc break -The only healer that almost every enemy comp can break their cc without trinket. -The only healer that the enemy team can land a kill through uninterrupted healing.
Also we are always so bad, we need to overwhelm Blizzard with arguments, ideas, "proof" that our class is horrible, so that they introduce buffs that allow us arena participation.A couple of months ago we got lucky with Pom bug, excluding that, priest is gonna end up as 5th best healer of the expansion. Paladins have similar problems, except they often start good end up terrible, and they need to spam forums for buffs so that they can be somewhat viable. I think educating Blizzard should not be part of the process of playing/enjoying a class, They have access to numbers, they know as we do that priests have done horribly, so did paladins but they chose not to buff. I mean really look how bad priests and paladins are and look how great shamans and druids are.
So my advice is, just reroll immediately, possibly to shaman as the classes share some characteristics and stop wasting time with posts , with the hopes of getting buffed to a "viable" state. And finally, if you are making it work, kudos and best of luck to you.
If you want this site to be a better place why would you make a thread like this? I offered to be a mod for this site a long time ago, but lost interest as there has been very little discussion about high-end arena topics over the past few years. I don't even need to know what Braindance posted to know what caused him to be banned. He continuously insulted other players on this site WHILE also contributing good discussion in other threads. Just because you did one right doesn't make up for the wrong. Saying "well I make instructional content for the site" while also being a part of the problem is delusional of you to say in the same regard.
Absolutely, this would make a lot of sense if these so called rules were applied to everyone and not only to people that are not friends with mods/admins.
I think you are the most well-known shadow priest and most likely representative of the spec to be heard by Blizzard. You mentioned leaving because there has been very little high-end arena discussion. If my memory serves me correct, it happened like this: you proposed multiple nerfs for the overpowered shadow priests, with no compensation. You got your nerfs and some more, then you rerolled ele.So I am not sure which is more harmful, asking class nerfs into reroll into quit community/forums and not proposing any solutions to the terrible state sps had, or someone who worked towards making his class playable , who happened to have troll a little too much
Bro, have you seen his acceptance to a PHD program?!!?!?
Pouncedd, on 22 February 2014 - 09:34 AM, said:
Majority of posts he made were to insult others or start drama. And what ever "Helpful" information he tried to post was nothing helpful at all and all he did is post gifs and pictures insulting other classes.
There is a reason he hasn't been glad since season 1 and it was a good change to the site. No help at all.
So basically you guys gang up on someone that can't respond, classy.
We have one guy achieving 2400 with bugged KFC, taking screenshots and decorating all his room with posters of those. Who didn't know (before Auramastery change) that you could use auramastery when silenced and silence would still remain. Here is the post: http://www.arenajunk...to-anyone-else/
Second, we have another mop hunter hotshot , who calls all his fellow survival hunter by making a thread, meanwhile we find out that he was covering his black arrow with hunter's mark because it turns out he didn't know how the dispel system works. http://www.arenajunk...s/#entry3930979
Braindance has written pages and pages of discussion,well written "articles" that proposed many ideas to fix the trashy state of s13 warrior. He put the time and the effort tenaciously into the development of his class. He also wrote many twitter messages to Holinka. You can go browse the history of the warrior subforum, starting from mid s13 to see how many constructive posts he has made. You can choose to agree or disagree on his ideas but you can't deny the effort. So bottom line is, not only guys like you didn't do a single contribution to this site, you demonstrated that you play the game in a level where you don't know how your class works and you get to attack him? No way.
I wish the following went live:
-Mass dispel refunds mana if it successfully removes an immunity. (Disc and holy). It is the worst thing ever to face a mage team because you have a ~2/3 mana pool caused by double mass dispel. Mana is already a huge issue for the class.
-Holy spark grants %55(or possibly more) , up from %50.
These changes seem logical to me as they don't affect pve and the class still remains weak comparing to real healing classes.