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Posted stalebagel on 03 January 2013 - 05:12 PM
Posted Eazymothafukne on 17 December 2012 - 07:41 PM
Posted lobster on 10 December 2012 - 12:31 PM
you sir, have never played a hunter
Posted methodman2 on 28 November 2012 - 01:41 PM
Am I crazy or would this help tremendously? Should I make a thread on the official forums/plead to devs? They could replace them with whatever. Almost anything is better than this.
alot of things would help
like deleting demonology because its a gimmicky spec where people from 1800 to 2800 do the same shit and win
Posted Chizzey on 21 November 2012 - 07:31 AM
i streamed all my 3s games DAFUQ IS WRONG WITH THOSE RETARDS AT BLIZZARD!!!
Posted Tosan on 03 November 2012 - 01:34 AM
Posted Jokerplex on 31 October 2012 - 07:35 PM
Posted lobster on 24 October 2012 - 06:17 PM
Posted Mattadoro on 25 October 2012 - 03:21 PM
is the dmg dumb yes
was this post needed.. no
also you're talking about 5's... 4 of a class has always worked 4 mages in cata 4 eles in wrath and in bc 4 ele's was unreal
Posted Ctuhlu on 13 October 2012 - 07:39 AM
Past seasons have conditioned warlocks to expect to do insane levels of dot damage (From Cata especially), and all the while Warlock's survivability and utility was extremely high. I'm not playing MoP so I can only speculate on a design level, but to me the way Affliction is built mechanically should mean that its dots DON'T do just as much damage as every other spec. You have to remember that Affliction has the advantage of being able to easily do multitarget damage while having strong survivability and CC that still allows you to do 100% of your damage.
The thing is, Warlocks have been godmode for so long that they will never accept anything but overlord status. Can't really blame them either when Blizzard has proven themselves absolutely incompetent in the balance department (especially in leaving Resto Shamans, Rogues, and Warlocks virtually unchanged for 4 seasons of Cataclysm). Anyways flame away but that's how I see it.
Posted NickyEU on 05 October 2012 - 06:43 PM
If anyone feels like contributing be it fixing my horrible english or adding content let me know.
Note: English is not my first language so be prepared.
As some of you might remember I was previously a writer here on ArenaJunkies for multiple years but decided to leave the team about 8 months ago due to management disagreements. At the time I was answering hundreds of questions in Ask A Gladiator and because of that people realized that I was always happy to help which lead to me getting an overwhelming amount of PM’s and whispers. That is the main reason I have decided to put together a small guide that I will be updating as I see fit with information relevant to the current Meta game.
Why listen to me?
Some of you might say, huh? Why should we listen to anything you got to say? ‘You don’t have multiple rank 1’s’ or ‘you haven’t even gotten gladiator in over 3 years!’ Although my recent achievements don’t speak for much I am still extremely experienced when it comes to the hunter class. During my prime time I raided in top guilds, contributed heavily to theorycrafting and consistently remained top in pvp achieving multiple gladiators across a wide array of classes. By writing on ArenaJunkies I was forced to stay on top of the hunter class through hundreds of posts and multiple guides.
If I know so much why not get gladiator?
Knowledge does not equal performance - it is required that you practice and get the hands-on experience to be effective as a hunter. This was something I rarely did as developing content and writing on Curse Websites took away required time that it takes to be consistent. A lot of my strengths lie in being able to figure out what to do in every situation but as I have not been playing enough to make these decisions second nature I am often to slow to pull things of in the game. That is where you come in, as the active hunter you have the opportunity to pick up my experience and knowledge and use it to become an even better hunter then I ever was/will be.
Short About Hunter:
With the release of Mists of Pandaria the hunter play-style changed but our role stayed the same.
Now how is this going to work out? Previously, we had big limitations by having a minimum range that caused our entire playstyle to focus around progressive positioning, predicting enemy movement and using max range to our benefit. We were put in teams to offer control with numerous instant cast CCs and high burst to open up possible kills for our partners. A common trend for our combos meant creative use of other classes to baby-sit us and fill in the absent synergies. This led us to playing “uncommon” compositions with a lot of off-spec classes such as; Ret Paladins, Prot Warriors, Feral Druids and Enhancement shamans.
With Mists of Pandaria we had two major changes, one being the removal of minimum range. This changed a lot about the way we play as we are no longer constantly staying at max range but instead we moved into the fight. At the same time getting new utility that benefits us being closer to the target, both for defensive and aggressive play. The second major change is the generalization of our specializations causing BM to have the same utilities as MM. This lead to BM being much more attractive and will be the dominant spec until MM catches up with either utility changes or damage buffs.
I won’t go too much into detail about how we should play yet as it will become more obvious as we go through the spells and talents that we will be picking up. At the end of this post I will also be posting a tips and tricks as well as a how to play against X that should give you great insight in how to play your hunter.
We are in the extremely rare situation that our talents are essentially up for debate. Picking talents may vary depending on playstyle, experience, team composition and much more. So I will be explaining the spells below for you to get a feel of what you might want and then what I think is most suitable for different setups.
Extremely versatile utility that acts as a semi passive! The wonderful thing about Narrow Escape is that it allows us to pick a single talent that opens up the possibility for a full team control, aggressive play, defensive play and positioning to a whole new extent. Using it to root melee, root targets, help healers or keep people LOS or to go LOS. I don’t think I need to explain this spell to much as it really speaks for itself.
You will see top hunters running posthaste as mobility and positioning is extremely important at higher ratings some of them might even be heard saying Narrow Escape is “for noobs”. While having mobility is extremely beneficial it does not provide you anything directly besides positioning advantage. This spell requires practice and experience to understand and utilize what I like to call “progressive positioning”.
This comes natural to some hunters that played pre-cataclysm but can be a challenge for new hunters to learn. I suggest picking up this talent when you are playing in a heavy mobility composition or if you are targeted often, it is great for passive kiting and using LOS to relief pressure.
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Chimera
In a situation where you are facing a lot of spell-cleaves. The shorter duration of Disengage allows you to much more effectively and consistently get behind pillars to Line of Sight and the Deterrence cooldown reduction combined with Deterrence glyph, can turn a spell-cleaves push into a spell-cleaves death. Notice this is a dangerous talent to pick for winning spell-cleaves, good players will see the hunter deterrence and immediately try to get a dot reflected to be immune to damage sensitive CC for a longer period.
The deterrence is our survival skill and as thus should be treated as such, using it for aggressive purposes is dangerously as it gives reason for enemies to make swap to you. Using the deterrence for reflecting CC is also a possibility and often game changing. Use with caution!
Short cooldown, Long Range, Instant cast and 3 second interruption spell. Most hunters will be picking this as the current meta means playing with melee classes who is short on silence effects and thus no chance of it going on diminishing returns and devaluing. It is instant cast, 40 yards range and off the global cooldown which nearly guarantee you being able to get it off to interrupt or to prevent healing. The short cooldown leaves it open for most situations and an easy tool for setting up crowdcontrol chains.
The not so popular Wyvern Sting! It shared Diminishing Returns with our trap leaving it extremely lacking compared to our beloved silence shot. However if Survival undergo a little changes replacing silence shot with Wyvern sting, and Freezing Trap with constant Frost Trap could prove extremely powerful... enough dreaming.
Although Silencing Shot is better in pretty much every situation I can’t stop but dream of situations where a well-positioned Binding Shot combined with a glyphed Explosive Trap to trigger the stun could make you win the game. But the insecurity, inconsistency and required timing to pull that off makes it not worth it compared to our guaranteed on demand Silence Shot!
Exhilaration has its strength in two fronts: an emergency heal and healing our pet. There will be so many situations where we are low on health and our healer is sitting in a few more seconds of CC, and this spell will be our free-pass. At the same time it will also allow us to use our pet in even more aggressive scenery allowing us to keep up the consistent pressure that BM require to be truly effective. All of the above combined with being reset through Readiness makes it a really valuable spell.
Aspect of the Iron Hawk
As much as an emergency heal is great; there will also be compositions where having a consistent damage reduction will be more valuable. You will have to take notice on this spell yourself, if you often find yourself in situations with sudden bursts, and one CC deaths, then do not pick this up. This spell’s strength is for consistency purposes, if you are often caught in longer games waiting for kills or in situations where you “almost” survived, then pick up this up. I will be explaining this further under the “build” explanation section.
Thrill of the Hunt:
Early season I would have argued that the in consistency of the spell made it a not looked-for talent. But given that the buff stays on you for a good period and that the meta game of BM require you to prepare burst periods with Arcane Shot I will go head and give this a little more credit than it most likely deserves.
Fervor provides us with an on-demand focus gain for those situations where we need to spam dispel, do extra damage or prepare for damage. Unlike the other talents this has its strength in being on-demand, consistent and very reliable. But it gives us an overwhelming amount of focus that can be hard to dump fast enough! Especially given that when we do eventually go for kills it is mostly combined with other buffs that alone will leave us with overwhelming amount of focus
No, having an extra pet and have focus regeneration rely on yet another pet mechanic is suicidal. We manage with our own pets as they have multiple ways of getting out of CC but Dire Beast is…silly
I will not be commenting on this as it is being changed shortly.
A Murder of Crows:
Glaive toss is instant cast so positioning, besides not breaking CC along the way, is not a primary concern when picking up this talent. One of the dangers with Power Shot is that we often spend long channeling the spell to get interrupt and essentially CCing ourselves. This is not a concern with Glaive Toss as it is instant cast and on a short cooldown we can get it of reliantly and maybe even twice during kill attempts. (Or three if Readiness) With the current meta forcing hunters to pick up the Vicious Talisman of the Shado Pan Assault it is also worth noticing that the most of these we can get off during a proc period, the stronger it gets. (Duhh)
Powerful burs that even with the 25% reduction recently is still an extremely powerful shot which can be utilized for opening bursts or swaps. It has a knock back that can prove useful on blade edge and dalaran but as these arenas are getting changed shortly I will not be going too much into the knockback besides a mini interruption for surrounding healers.
A simple no, should do for now.
Glyph of Explosive Trap.
Removes the damage, adds knockback effect. Great spell for throwing people out of position, knocking down from Blade’s Edge Bridge/Pillars or Dalaran Sewers boxes. Takes our main weakness, (LOS/Position issues) and makes it into our greatest strengths. (The LOS at Dalaran is not much of a problem given the recent change to our ranged attacks not having a minimum range – and less relevant once they get changed with more stairs!)
Glyph of Morrored Blades.
This could be swapped for Master’s Call or Solace depending on what composition you are playing and where you are lacking as a team. There are more things to consider as written earlier:
“[…] turn a spell-cleaves push into a spell-cleaves death. Notice this is a dangerous talent to pick for winning spell-cleaves, good players will see the hunter deterrence and immediately try to get a dot reflected to be immune to damage sensitive CC for a longer period. The deterrence is our survivability skill and as thus should be treated as such, using it for aggressive purposes is dangerously as it gives reason for enemies to make swap to you. Using the deterrence for reflecting CC is also a possibility and often game changing. Use with caution!”
Glyph of Disengage.
This could be swapped for Master’s Call or Solace depending on what composition you are playing and where you are lacking as a team.
This glyph will increase the length through height in which you disengage; this is extremely useful as it provides you with the possibility to disengage from the bottom of sewers floor, up onto the main platform. It will also allow you to do some stylish disengages on Blade’s Edge Arena.
Glyph of Revive Pet.
When our pet dies, we need it back up, this will be our savior when trying to get that 6 seconds cast off!
Glyph of Aspect of the Cheetah.
It isn’t crucial but since none of the other minor glyphs is more interesting this will be our second minor glyph. Use it for those few situations where you need to kite and don’t have any globals to use for other things.
Glyph of Stampede/Random
Depending on what arrangement of pets you choose to go with. I will be explaining this in much further detail under the pets section.
With the publication of Stampede at the release of Mists of Pandaria our pet selection got a whole lot more complicated than previously. During Cataclysm most people would use a wolf and a cat for buffing pre-match and then have a couple of monkeys for swapping out/abandoning dead ones during the fight.
During the stampede our 5 pets will be using all of its “auto-cast” spells, which means any spell that can be toggled to auto-casting will be cast through it. This includes damaging spells, debuffs and their 1 minute buffs.
There is currently one limitation; pets will only cast the spells if they have the auto-cast toggled on individually. If they do not have this you will need to have a macro for all of these spells,
A great place to go for a list of spells is here: http://www.wow-petop...nts/skills.html
The A-Team Pet Setup;
This is the most streamlined set of pets that you can run with. Now you will evidently be playing with team mates that will be bringing certain buffs. I suggest swapping out the pet that is rendered "useless" with one of the swaps listed below depending on what you lack/want as a team.
1. Shale Spider (Primary) Or if MM/Surv Crane (Primary)
2. Quillen (Crit, 2min) Or if MM/Surv Wolf (Crit, 1min)
3. Hyena (Attack Speed, 2min)
4. Spirit Beast (Heal, Mastery, 2min) -///-
5. Shale Spider (Back Up) Or if MM/Surv Crane (Back Up)
Devilsaur: 25% Healing Debuff. Reduce globals by not having to refresh Widow Venom.
Moth: 4 second interrupt.
Birds of Prey: 8 Second Disarm:
Ravager: 4% physical damage taken.
Raptor: 4% Armor Reduction. (Stacks up to 12%)
Spore Bats: 30% Casting Speed Reduction AoE.
Buff Setup: 5 Buffer’s
Given the swap list above you will should be able to put together a nice collection of pets focused on buffing.
Debuff Setup: 5 Debuffers
Given the swap list above you will should be able to put together a nice collection of pets focused on debuffing.
Role Confused Healing BM Setup: Spirit Beasts
5x Spirit Beasts - You run with a Spirit Beast and you use the Stampede Glyph to get even more spirit beasts. This is a good setup for running 2vs2 or doing battlegrounds, but really not desirable in competitive arena. Although it was extremely strong in the start of the expansion as you could easily put out competitive healing but given the changes it is no longer viable.
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Frequently Asked Questions:
Question 1: Zionsfall doesn't even use Focus Fire because it makes you do less dmg is this true?
I do not suggest ONLY not using it, as higher pressure can be achieved through effectively using CC while doing maximum damage throughout that entire period. Being able to quickly regenerate focus through faster cobra/steady shots and utilizing power shot for very hard bursts/utility knockbacks.is extremely useful when handled well.
In most "all out scenarios" we have way to much focus to spend, so using it during your cooldowns is not optimal - but there comes 2.5 min afterwards where you will be focus starving!
Consider it a choice of playstyle - if you play with capable players and your tactics are set for killing in small burst windows then do go with Zionsfall playstyle. He found a tactic that worked with his partner and his composition - and for his specific situation not using Focus Fire is optimal decision - as a lot of his damage comes from the pet.
There are other variables such as enemy teams with a lot of AoE CC, those can interrupt pet damage and thus having focus fire would be more effective.
Tips and Tricks
How to play against: