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#4579971 On vanilla PvP

Posted Nicholaes92 on Today, 01:47 AM

View PostVelcaa, on 30 April 2016 - 09:17 PM, said:



being hard = / being semi required to use the spells given to you


i enjoyed playing on nostalrius too, and i played during retail vanilla on release

people keep using this argument of how "hard" or skillful vanilla is when it isnt
vanilla was known for how much of a GRIND it was. How you could log in at any time and there were so many different things you could do, rep grinding, pvp grinding for higher title etc. none of it was hard, it just was time consuming which is what made the game fun

pvp in vanilla in terms of balance is godawful, people complain about cc now when it was 100x worse in vanilla (lol what is a dr)
but it was fun because world pvp was relevant BECAUSE of the fact that there was so much to do in terms of grinding etc and there were a multitude of toys you could use in pvp; not even going to touch on how much of a grind pvp was as well

even the raids in vanilla are very basic, the only reason naxx was considered hard is because of how much you had to GRIND for consumables and how much you had to GRIND to  even have access to go into that raid, the mechanics for the raids were just as basic

so if you guys are going to argue for legacy servers, back up your argument with something that makes sense; has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that me or anyone else don't want legacy servers; it has to do with people having this deluded thinking that vanilla was so great because of the amount of skill it took when it had nothing to do with why vanilla was so fun

Jokes aside, we are on a forum where the majority of us wouldn't consider vanilla game play "hard" because this group is more or less into min/maxing and have the basics of this game down very well.  But when you look at the average wow player, vanilla is hard, even negating the grind factor.  In vanilla and bc if you wanted to get into a successful dungeon and/or raid, or even level at a decent pace you had to be able to cc, manage mana, and know your classes strengths and weaknesses.  Of course to US this isn't hard, it's just a grind.  But to the average person, this type of wow is crazy hard.  So I would say vanilla did take some sort of skill which is what made it fun.  But the beauty of the game is that the difficulty of the game didn't just make it fun for people like you and me who without a doubt will probably hit end level and get the best gear given time, but it made the game (arguably more) fun for people who sucked at the game.  It made them something to look forward to everyday they logged on.  Low level bgs were a thing, actually making friends with people your skill level while leveling was a thing.  

Long story short the difficulty of the game IS what made it fun for a lot of people, even if they didn't know it.


#4579725 Incoming legacy servers!

Posted Dizzeeyo on 29 April 2016 - 07:40 PM

View PostBlexone, on 29 April 2016 - 07:25 PM, said:

because you had so much buttons to press in raids in classic wow right?
vanilla wow was not raid or quit since nothing else to do, thats a wod phenomenon :)

Also I had around 3x as many keybinds in vanilla wow as I do currently on legion alpha, so apparently yes we did have so many buttons to press

View PostBlexone, on 29 April 2016 - 07:25 PM, said:

i doubt most people that want legacy servers want them for pvp
people don't want legacy servers because they are madly in love with how the game worked in previous expansions

they want legacy servers because they enjoy playing wow but retail wow is literally a pile of shit


#4579470 When and Why have you started and stopped WoW ?

Posted Knaittiz on 28 April 2016 - 05:18 PM

View PostFedx, on 28 April 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

Btw im just curious. But people that quit so long time ago why do you still visit AJ? Not trying to bash you or anything I just remember when I quit in Cata to play LoL 24/7 I checked LoL forums and I never visited AJ when I wasn't playing the game. But then when I started at end of MoP again I came back to AJ and stopped checking lol forums.

love all
aj is like facebook, twitter etc. for me, I just automatically check it whenever I'm bored even if I'm not playing the game


#4579239 Nostalrius is gone.

Posted Zaephyr on 27 April 2016 - 09:21 PM

View PostSynkz, on 27 April 2016 - 09:17 PM, said:

going horde on k2

rep me


#4579224 Nostalrius is gone.

Posted Speedymart on 27 April 2016 - 09:13 PM

View PostJim_Jim, on 26 April 2016 - 06:51 PM, said:

Sure, what kind of arguments do you want me to improve?
I can tell you my all Vanilla experience, maybe you will understand why i'm completly neutral on this all subject.

And yes, i watch Kungen, and he's the perfect example of everything i hated on Vanilla about the "community". He watches Venruki's video about the subject (video which i agree on most points), and stop it instantly because "He's a PvP'er, he's not a real player, his arguments are not hearable and he's the main reason of WoW's fall" and yet you saw lots of "sellout" "you suck blizzard dick", lots of really mean comments just after that, for someone who just... said what he thinks. I have reasons to think lots of this "herd" - as you say - are mindless sheeps.
I suffer from that in Vanilla, in my realm, when you were a shadowpriest (Not a popular spec for PvE, people tends to prefer mages and rogue to dps, more controls in 5-man dongeons, logical), who likes PvP, people tends to be really mean. The "real players" doesn't lke PvP players.

I have extremly good memories about Vanilla, i loved it, really. But as i said, i'm completly neutral on this subject, i don't feel the need personnaly to play on any Legacy server, but i understand people who have it. As long as i play with cool people, the xpac doesn't have any importance in my eyes. And i like keeping good memories on the past :)

At the end, if there is in the future (and i'm convinced there will be) some legacy server, i will probably play it. But if not, i... don't really care. I will play something else, and not bitching around, and insulting people.

Neutral.

Just gonna mention Spriest were absolutely retardedly strong in vanilla PvP

You absolutely had to have at least one for the shadow debuff in PvE as well

A lot of the "Non-viable spec" bullshit is usually just that, bullshit. On nost people brought the player just to fill spots, we got the required number of healers and tanks and then just filled the rest with whoever wanted to come


#4579221 Nostalrius is gone.

Posted God on 27 April 2016 - 09:05 PM

So whos gonna play on K2?


#4579164 Incoming legacy servers!

Posted xndr on 27 April 2016 - 06:18 PM

these current 'developers' can't even edit the vanilla code to make the 16 slot bagpack bigger, which you get at level 1 with your refreshing spring water and tough jerky

We'd love to be able to upgrade it too, but it's not as simple as upgrading it. It was coded into the system early in the development of World of Warcraft and isn't as easy as writing up some new lines of code. In addition, we're not sure that simply adding a larger backpack is the solution people really are looking for. You'll get a few more slots, but you'll most likely fill those relatively quickly.

http://us.battle.net...31507?page=1#10

but it's okay because we don't need them, they'd only get used anyway .. (logic???)

i haven't any faith in this company anymore

ps. any guild on kronos II?!


#4579158 Incoming legacy servers!

Posted Elorxo on 27 April 2016 - 05:56 PM

anyone on kronos 2 horde?


#4579059 Incoming legacy servers!

Posted Nicholaes92 on 27 April 2016 - 12:08 PM

Classic blizz lol.

We want legacy servers!
No you don't trust me
WE WANT LEGACY SERVERS!
No you don't we can't do it anyway
(Someone makes a perfect legacy server)
WE WANT LEGACY SERVERS
Well we have been talking about making a sort of classic server for years now and what we have come up with isn't what you think you want but something that is completely different than what you are asking for and just an awful idea.


#4579029 Incoming legacy servers!

Posted ROKMODE on 27 April 2016 - 09:27 AM

View PostWoundman, on 26 April 2016 - 10:49 PM, said:

especially if it's so difficult for Blizzard to run legacy servers like they said in the OP.
please tell me you aren't actually considering that they are being truthful with this statement

this is from the same dev team that said a spectator client was not possible, only to have a broke-ass private server pull off a well-designed spectator client in an outdated expansion.


Blizzard is full of shit, and they get these poor bastard blue posters to regurgitate the same bs that they've been feeding us for years.
They can damn well do it.


#4579002 Incoming legacy servers!

Posted Nahj on 27 April 2016 - 04:45 AM

The idea of pristine server is just flawed. You have the slower leveling and no lfd/lfr to try and remake some form of server/community identity, but the endgame content is still boring garrisons/wod.

Honestly feels like a cop out thing they would do knowing it would fail to be able to say "see people didn't really want legacy servers".

Blizzards even more stubborn than Riot defending dynamic Que.


#4578960 Incoming legacy servers!

Posted Glink on 26 April 2016 - 11:57 PM

View PostWoundman, on 26 April 2016 - 10:49 PM, said:

Title is pretty misleading tbh. There is such a small chance blizzard is going to bring legacy servers back. Why? Undermines all their current hard work. They want everyone playing the same expansion. Splitting the community up playing different expansions isn't a good thing, especially with how dead WoW is right now.

People have been asking for legacy servers forever... Why is it such a big deal now? WoW is in a horrible state, that's why... I'm not gonna cross my fingers and hope for legacy servers, because honestly I don't care about them. I love WoW for it's progression and community. I'd rather Blizzard focus on improving the current WoW, especially if it's so difficult for Blizzard to run legacy servers like they said in the OP.
On splitting the community...this wouldn't happen, at least not to a detrimental affect.

WoW is already down to at most > 5 million subs, most of which dislike the state of the game and where it is going. Id say the community is already dead and gone. The argument that there would be some "splitting" is ridiculous for a few reasons.

1. Those who would exclusively play legacy servers are likely not playing now, if they are there is no reason to believe they wouldnt play new content in addition to legacy.

2. Hundreds of thousands to millions of new players would resub. This would result in a few things. One, a large percentage of these returning players would likely play the current content, and why not? If they are playing WoW anyways this would assuredly bring new players to live. To further ensure and motivate this, simply make legacy servers accessible only to players who have the most current expansion. Two, this would also mean that the community would be revitalized, think about how popular WoW would be on twitch if players were allowed to stream it. That resurgence of popularity would in turn bring even more players and relevancy to WoW.

Case and point Runescape 2007 server, which did almost exactly to that game which I stated above.

The idea of "Id rather Blizzard focus on making new content better" is a nice one, but at this point I think that is a lost cause. Expansion after expansion the playerbase has grown more and more dissappointed with Blizzard and the more out of touch they have become. If the game is going to continue being in a poor state, AT LEAST give us legitimate access to the expansions players DID LIKE.

I explained this all more eloquintly in my detailed and concise video if anyone is interested:




#4578951 Incoming legacy servers!

Posted Boetard on 26 April 2016 - 11:12 PM

I would really love to play Vanilla or TBC again, because they worked hard and passionate for their game and the community back then,which is why i support legacy servers' movement right now. I am fairly sure they will not get servers or anything actually going, but it should at least show Blizz something.
People aren't satisfied for a long time now, and i do not think it is because WoW is too old in particular. It may be one part of the entire disaster, but if there was complex, well and passionately designed content coming out, people would definitely give WoW another try. Especially the old veteran players that stopped playing once the expansions kept getting less fantastic and more and more one sided. Nowadays you can barely live in your own little WoW world anymore, considering things also became a lot less complex and too straight-forward.
That's just my personal opinion though.


#4578861 Nostalrius is gone.

Posted Jim_Jim on 26 April 2016 - 06:51 PM

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Jimjim, you could improve your arguments if you stopped calling people who disagree with you "sheep" and "followers". Just because someone doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean they are blindly following the herd.

Sure, what kind of arguments do you want me to improve?
I can tell you my all Vanilla experience, maybe you will understand why i'm completly neutral on this all subject.

And yes, i watch Kungen, and he's the perfect example of everything i hated on Vanilla about the "community". He watches Venruki's video about the subject (video which i agree on most points), and stop it instantly because "He's a PvP'er, he's not a real player, his arguments are not hearable and he's the main reason of WoW's fall" and yet you saw lots of "sellout" "you suck blizzard dick", lots of really mean comments just after that, for someone who just... said what he thinks. I have reasons to think lots of this "herd" - as you say - are mindless sheeps.
I suffer from that in Vanilla, in my realm, when you were a shadowpriest (Not a popular spec for PvE, people tends to prefer mages and rogue to dps, more controls in 5-man dongeons, logical), who likes PvP, people tends to be really mean. The "real players" doesn't lke PvP players.

I have extremly good memories about Vanilla, i loved it, really. But as i said, i'm completly neutral on this subject, i don't feel the need personnaly to play on any Legacy server, but i understand people who have it. As long as i play with cool people, the xpac doesn't have any importance in my eyes. And i like keeping good memories on the past :)

At the end, if there is in the future (and i'm convinced there will be) some legacy server, i will probably play it. But if not, i... don't really care. I will play something else, and not bitching around, and insulting people.

Neutral.


#4578708 On vanilla PvP

Posted Lloix on 26 April 2016 - 12:04 AM

That was an entertaining video to watch.

Lolflay stop being a fag. I liked BC much more than Wrath.

The hyperbole revolving the whole vanilla thing is pretty insane. Especially if you already know that it didnt have the most depth etc, why do you feel the need to shit all over the entirety of people who enjoy playing vanilla? Are you an autism?

edit: Let's also not forget that vanilla engineering items had some actual application to their use, unlike the autopilot shit, such shadowmourne, glaives, and rogue daggers that deserved the complaints.




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