this always happens because nobody actually notices when a post has been moderated on this forum
nobody screenshots a thread and looks back at the thread later to see if posts have been removed. there is no notification in the thread to users that a post has been deleted. there is no notification in a thread to users if a post has earned someone an infraction. there is no notification to a user that a post was moderated after said user reported the post
there's a lot more moderating being done on this site than the average poster realizes, but having said that, i personally have a pretty lenient moderating style compared to mods on other forums because i know what it's like being a user on a forum that tries to remove all individuality, personality and humor from its userbase. they try to create some kind of sterile environment where everything has to be perfectly constructed and somehow helpful or beneficial. i try my hardest to be the exact opposite of anything that a moderator of teamliquid.net would be
i don't really know why people come to the general discussion section of AJ and expect everything to be constructive. shitposting has always been prevalent in this section and there's nothing really wrong with that. the class forums (along with the ask a gladiator forum to some extent) have the most constructive and helpful guides, threads, and posts on the site, and they're moderated more heavily than anything else on AJ.
it's a community forum for people to talk about wow arenas, the way people act on here pretty accurately represents the general attitude of the arena community and that's fine with me and i don't see why it would need to change. remember that this thread didn't actually start out as just a general "state of 6.1" thread
if you make a thread and want only constructive replies in it, remember to report inappropriate posts and we'll deal with them. reporting helps a lot
Holy shit do people come off as sensitive sometimes.
The fucking title says 'Are people quitting?' and someone responded with a 'Yes' and you lose your shit. Calm down.
Sensitive is the wrong word here. And it's not just this guy I was really talking about it's the whole "this game blows so broken I'm not playing anymore" community I am talking about. And yet they are still always on this forum sort of bragging about it which is annoying.
rattspack is like 15 and this is likely the first dollar he has ever earned that wasnt his allowance so it probably went to his head
it is what it is, would u trust some random nerdy 15 year old with $20 of ur hard earned dollars irl? u probably earned that $20 back while typing out this post at work while the poor kid was getting shoved into a locker so u should just let bygones be bygones
Well, for RBGs I can't argue with that. If you get good with ele/enhance in the current state of the game: your going to love your life when all those buffs roll in with 6.1.
As for resto:
Embrace: apologizing to people for not being a resto druid, your going to be sliding up, down and around pillars like a stripper.
Love thy teamates: for they are going to yell at you for not getting out more purges as you sit in 25% dampening with no mana trying to drink vs druid comps slowly succumbing to the War/Rogue/DK/enhance(praise be!) on you the whole game.
Marvel: as you realize that you actually have to cast spells to heal yourself, and speaketh in hushed tones as you wish for such glories as bear form, cocoon and fun.
For fucks sakes. To beat this dead horse fully, let's drop the reasons this post is retarded.
1. It will never happen, and Blizzard will do everything they can to keep abilities the same so that new players don't have to learn double the abilities.
2. Even if this happened, you would not see balance, or anything near it. Blizzard already separates many things into PVE/PVP groups when they have no other ways to balance, and it results in the game you have now. The "fix" you suggested won't do anything.
If you want to actually balance the game, you need to NOT listen to the playerbase, and divide the specs into tiers. Every class gets one top tier at least, and go from there. Stop trying to make frost, fire, and arcane viable. Stop making boomchickens viable. Religate the hard to balance classes to a lower tier, but where they can still run BGs and shit, and move on. It will piss a lot of people off, but you will have a balanced game (to within certain percentages), and you can grow it from there.
A tier list also let's you focus on spec, and then that allows you to use arena representation as an important measuring stick for performance. Look at other games that have an active competitive scene with a lot of unique classes/characters, and you will see the same thing develop naturally, and the devs allowing it (Pokemon, Smash Bros, and I think LoL).
Tier 1: Need to be top tier. This provides every class an option in PvP, whether they like the spec or not. This should be the top focus of Blizzard's balancing efforts.
Tier 2: Focus on maybe getting some of these to top tier, as long as the meta and balance issues aren't crazy. This gives the people that play hybrid classes for a reason other than healing a reason to play. This is mostly doable as well. Personally, I fall in this tier as a druid that doesn't have any desire to heal. Important note: for druid and shaman, fixing one spec is vastly more important than fixing both. If you can get feral or boomkin fixed and stable in the meta, leave the other one alone for a bit and let it sit.
Tier 3: Fuck these specs with regards to arena (sorry). If you have a spec that accidentally balances itself in this tier, then fuck it, leave it. Otherwise, stop trying to make it happen, because it isn't going to happen. These specs all have similar play-styles available to them in classes.
Tier 4: Tank specs. All 5 of them. Fuck you. Stay unusable in arena. You are a flag carrier and nothing more. It is simply not possible to balance while remaining viable in PVE. You get to play BGs and RBGs at best.
This is the path to actual balance, and has actually somewhat been Blizzard's strategy up until recently. Recently, they are just taking potshots at every class and trying balance every single spec all at once, right at the start of an expansion. The strategy above needs to take place every expansion, from scratch. You need to focus on one tier at a time, let the meta settle to ensure you don't have any S5 DK fiascos, then bring in the next tier. By the end of the expac, you can begin to see specs like destro and fire enter the fray. If the following expac allows for it, you might be able to speed up the rate at which you introduce the tiers to the expac.
Trying to say we need a full division between PVE and PVP just shows me you are failing to see things from any perspective other than the hardcore player. You need to be able to see and think as a hardcore, as a casual, as a newbie, as a noob, and most importantly, as a developer.
I'm also higher rated than literally every person bashing me in this thread and funny thing is 90% of them are disc priest that are screaming MW op.
You're insanely biased. Everyone is bashing you because you can't see beyond the tip of your own dick. You being higher rated is probably at this point, a coincidence, judging by your impressions and opinions of your class. You're bashing people in this thread based on their rating, going so far as calling people "sub 2400 idiots" or something alongside the lines of that, not realizing that difference between 24xx and 2566 ( where you're at ) is literally 6-7 won games.
You're not the victim here, you're the aggressor with your shitty and incorrect opinions. Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.
Nice made up statistic btw, go count again. I'm Shadow btw, not Disc.
Why try to make the game even more dumbed down by just making poly also dr with clone, instead of just fixing the main issues with druids (their healing being extremely high, allowing druids to do honestly whatever they want). The way it should be is druids should be trying to get off good clones in order to keep their team mates alive or themselves, instead of them being mobile resto shamans that have access to cyclone as well.
Rogue survivability and mages ability to survive should be toned down, while also changing stupid things like mages relying on double ice novas instead of shatters etc.
This game is already boring enough with incredible levels of simplification and homogonization, making clone and sheep dr really isn't the answer.