those random s8 killings as ele only worked vs bad players who got caught in the middle with little awareness
I mean I remember getting a lot of them as an ele shaman, but vs the great players, it basically never happened. Considering all s8 ele shaman damage was casted and I mean ALL (literally casted more than basically any caster), I would say it was fairly telegraphed with all randomness being attributed to lightning overload, which couldn't even proc lava burst in wrath. Wasn't that post cata ele bs where eles run around spamming instant lava bursts and win the lottery.
do u get an e-mail or something whenever s8 gets mentioned on aj
This is entirely false. I play mostly alone during all Vanilla (I played SP before, and it was refused in 90% of PvE content), you can level a character alone, and even the PvP could be done alone. (When after 2 hours, you saw in the /2 the same groupe seeking for a last dps for Stratholme, and their answer was "yeeeessss but i prefer mage/rogue sorry", you were forced to PvP)
I had rank 10 in Vanilla by playing 2 weeks like a nolife in WSG.
The only good thing was the realm community, but you could clearly play without being forced to group with someone else.
My first MMO was Ryzom, and in this one, you were forced to play as a group, just to get your xp bar. And it was tank/heal/dps mandatory.
And about the post, i will never understand the impact of those "personalities" on YOUR feelings and appreciation of a game. I'm watching some streams sometimes, and even if i like watching them, they will never change my personnal opinion on how i appreciate the game. (Arenas, speaking with friends, transmog and pet collections)
When i will not have fun, i will just stop it, and not make a crying post about how the "game is shit and how people who still continue playing and having fun are dumb and mumumumu".
I could make a parallel with religion, but it will be questionable.
this always happens because nobody actually notices when a post has been moderated on this forum
nobody screenshots a thread and looks back at the thread later to see if posts have been removed. there is no notification in the thread to users that a post has been deleted. there is no notification in a thread to users if a post has earned someone an infraction. there is no notification to a user that a post was moderated after said user reported the post
there's a lot more moderating being done on this site than the average poster realizes, but having said that, i personally have a pretty lenient moderating style compared to mods on other forums because i know what it's like being a user on a forum that tries to remove all individuality, personality and humor from its userbase. they try to create some kind of sterile environment where everything has to be perfectly constructed and somehow helpful or beneficial. i try my hardest to be the exact opposite of anything that a moderator of teamliquid.net would be
i don't really know why people come to the general discussion section of AJ and expect everything to be constructive. shitposting has always been prevalent in this section and there's nothing really wrong with that. the class forums (along with the ask a gladiator forum to some extent) have the most constructive and helpful guides, threads, and posts on the site, and they're moderated more heavily than anything else on AJ.
it's a community forum for people to talk about wow arenas, the way people act on here pretty accurately represents the general attitude of the arena community and that's fine with me and i don't see why it would need to change. remember that this thread didn't actually start out as just a general "state of 6.1" thread
if you make a thread and want only constructive replies in it, remember to report inappropriate posts and we'll deal with them. reporting helps a lot
Holy shit do people come off as sensitive sometimes.
The fucking title says 'Are people quitting?' and someone responded with a 'Yes' and you lose your shit. Calm down.
Sensitive is the wrong word here. And it's not just this guy I was really talking about it's the whole "this game blows so broken I'm not playing anymore" community I am talking about. And yet they are still always on this forum sort of bragging about it which is annoying.
rattspack is like 15 and this is likely the first dollar he has ever earned that wasnt his allowance so it probably went to his head
it is what it is, would u trust some random nerdy 15 year old with $20 of ur hard earned dollars irl? u probably earned that $20 back while typing out this post at work while the poor kid was getting shoved into a locker so u should just let bygones be bygones
Well, for RBGs I can't argue with that. If you get good with ele/enhance in the current state of the game: your going to love your life when all those buffs roll in with 6.1.
As for resto:
Embrace: apologizing to people for not being a resto druid, your going to be sliding up, down and around pillars like a stripper.
Love thy teamates: for they are going to yell at you for not getting out more purges as you sit in 25% dampening with no mana trying to drink vs druid comps slowly succumbing to the War/Rogue/DK/enhance(praise be!) on you the whole game.
Marvel: as you realize that you actually have to cast spells to heal yourself, and speaketh in hushed tones as you wish for such glories as bear form, cocoon and fun.
For fucks sakes. To beat this dead horse fully, let's drop the reasons this post is retarded.
1. It will never happen, and Blizzard will do everything they can to keep abilities the same so that new players don't have to learn double the abilities.
2. Even if this happened, you would not see balance, or anything near it. Blizzard already separates many things into PVE/PVP groups when they have no other ways to balance, and it results in the game you have now. The "fix" you suggested won't do anything.
If you want to actually balance the game, you need to NOT listen to the playerbase, and divide the specs into tiers. Every class gets one top tier at least, and go from there. Stop trying to make frost, fire, and arcane viable. Stop making boomchickens viable. Religate the hard to balance classes to a lower tier, but where they can still run BGs and shit, and move on. It will piss a lot of people off, but you will have a balanced game (to within certain percentages), and you can grow it from there.
A tier list also let's you focus on spec, and then that allows you to use arena representation as an important measuring stick for performance. Look at other games that have an active competitive scene with a lot of unique classes/characters, and you will see the same thing develop naturally, and the devs allowing it (Pokemon, Smash Bros, and I think LoL).
Tier 1: Need to be top tier. This provides every class an option in PvP, whether they like the spec or not. This should be the top focus of Blizzard's balancing efforts.
Tier 2: Focus on maybe getting some of these to top tier, as long as the meta and balance issues aren't crazy. This gives the people that play hybrid classes for a reason other than healing a reason to play. This is mostly doable as well. Personally, I fall in this tier as a druid that doesn't have any desire to heal. Important note: for druid and shaman, fixing one spec is vastly more important than fixing both. If you can get feral or boomkin fixed and stable in the meta, leave the other one alone for a bit and let it sit.
Tier 3: Fuck these specs with regards to arena (sorry). If you have a spec that accidentally balances itself in this tier, then fuck it, leave it. Otherwise, stop trying to make it happen, because it isn't going to happen. These specs all have similar play-styles available to them in classes.
Tier 4: Tank specs. All 5 of them. Fuck you. Stay unusable in arena. You are a flag carrier and nothing more. It is simply not possible to balance while remaining viable in PVE. You get to play BGs and RBGs at best.
This is the path to actual balance, and has actually somewhat been Blizzard's strategy up until recently. Recently, they are just taking potshots at every class and trying balance every single spec all at once, right at the start of an expansion. The strategy above needs to take place every expansion, from scratch. You need to focus on one tier at a time, let the meta settle to ensure you don't have any S5 DK fiascos, then bring in the next tier. By the end of the expac, you can begin to see specs like destro and fire enter the fray. If the following expac allows for it, you might be able to speed up the rate at which you introduce the tiers to the expac.
Trying to say we need a full division between PVE and PVP just shows me you are failing to see things from any perspective other than the hardcore player. You need to be able to see and think as a hardcore, as a casual, as a newbie, as a noob, and most importantly, as a developer.