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#4447334 Should we take the middle road with the dispel system?

Posted Lolflay on 04 July 2015 - 01:52 PM

TL;DR: you had 4 categories : [ Max offensive / offensive / defensive / max defensive ], each healer represented one of those categories.

Druids were picked because they were the defensive healer. They were hard to counterspell ( didn't cast almost anything, hard to control as casters ), immune to polymorphs ( counters mages ), were mobile ( counter melee ), and had a healing mechanic that persisted through CC ( hots ). Their weaknesses were magic debuffs on themselves and their team ( no dispel ), hard swaps ( could keep blooms on one target ), lack of "OH SHIT" cooldowns ( besides one Nature Swiftness->Healing Touch on a 3 min cooldown ).

Shamans were picked because they were the offensive healer. They had by far the strongest control tools against enemy team, countered defensive debuffs ( Purge removing 2x buffs ), had Totem mechanic that countered a lot of popular things ( Tremor against fear, Grounding against spells, Cleansing against poison/diseases or w/e, had Bloodlust ( insane DPS and HPS increase for their team ), generally were hard to train down back then ( insane amounts of armor + Earth shield, they only really died versus really persistent melee cleaves that their partners failed to properly peel against ), and they also had insanely strong healing that was reliant mostly on mana - as long as they had mana, nothing died.

Paladins were picked because they were the max defensive healer - if you had a comp that had all the tools and pressure they need to land kills on their own, and just needed a healer that could keep them alive, stay at 40 yards, be hard to kill, keep them free of shit - Paladin was their man. They had super strong healing coupled with easy mechanics to dish those heals out, they were super hard to kill ( outside of a good RMP ), had Freedom/Sacrifice/BoP/Bubble/Aura/etc to counter enemy cooldowns ( same situation as today ), they offered the most defense they possibly could.

Priests were picked as a max offensive healer. Unlike other 3 healers, Priest games rarely lasted ultra long, and they always focused on just keeping the team as offensive as possible - Fearbombing 3 people, dispelling the kill target, announcing the switch to that target, DPSing together with their team and doing 1/3 or 1/2 of the DPS their partners are doing, being able to dispel both enemies and their team ( 2 (de)buffs per cast ), being able to Manaburn enemy healers/DPS to cause pressure, etc.

And today ?

Hmm, Paladins heal more than Shamans do atm. Oh well, time to play Paladin. Oh look, Paladin's "big heal spell" is same cast time as Shaman "big heal spell". Oh look, Paladin "instant cast heal" is same shit as Shaman "instant cast heal". Oh look, I'm doing better as Paladin than as Shaman simply because both healers are almost the same, so if one healer is more OP than the other, I'll do ten times better on the OP one even though I mained the weak one !

#4444130 Jahmilli: Living Bomb

Posted Jahmilli_ on 27 June 2015 - 10:08 PM


Thanks for read :)

#4443062 3k 2015 blizzcon champion rdruid/warrior streaming !!!!

Posted BalanceRexxar on 25 June 2015 - 10:17 PM

wow i tuned into the stream and was instantly amazed by the most professional gameplay ive EVER seen. i am truly honored to be a viewer in this next big stream and recommend everyone to watch!

#4442978 3k 2015 blizzcon champion rdruid/warrior streaming !!!!

Posted kubzy on 25 June 2015 - 06:13 PM

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#4442678 Revo 1

Posted Revolol on 25 June 2015 - 07:10 AM

First of all I want to say a few things to preface this video. I know my UI is terrible, and a lot of people hate my class/comps. That being said, because of the comps warriors have to play and the current meta of the game, I did find it a struggle to get good clips with decent plays that weren't either A:) Really long or B:) Really boring. Most of them were both, but I guess that's just WoD arena. Not to mention the plays you can make as a warrior in the current state of arena are pretty limited to say the least. I tried my best to put in shorter clips with more high intensity games, and that's why you'll notice a few of them are pretty similar.
Those things being said, I present to you Revo 1. Enjoy!



#4442195 Actually constructive Hpala thread

Posted Jim_Jim on 24 June 2015 - 04:09 PM

The Hpal problem is way more complicated than that. Despite the “easy find” solutions like making Outplayed by The Light an active ability or reverting the Execution Sentence buff, and make the spell like it was before, (= Useless and nobody will use it anymore.) or make it a huge HoT wouldn’t solve the problem, and people would not use it anymore too. (Because It can be purged, and it’s bugued when stolen by a mage – in the mage advantage of course -.). If you just change these 2 spells, without touching the core of hpal, and nerfing other classes abilities (Like offensive dispel), or changing anything else, don’t expect to see any hpal above 2000 rating, because everyone will crush them without effort. In a way, like during 6.0.

I explain :

Execution Sentence is not the problem, the spell heal as much as a saving grace from a priest. It’s Avenging Wrath, this spell alone is the main problem of hpal, and the “set up your NS” is not really a good excuse, it’s like having a condition : use holy shock before. And our condition is clearly huge : you need Wings to make the spell a huge NS. About Wings :
The spell itself is so powerful that you need a glyph to reduce it, because it’s clearly too much without. (For what I saw on the 6.2 PTR, I will use the 3min wings 90% of the time I think, so, this point might be discussed in the future)
  • ES is morphed into an overpowered Lay of Hands (Hey, +50% heal combined with a usable 2min trinket – 1min now – and 10% crit and even more with denounce, + the mastery shield and the HoT, yay.)
  • We have bad healing without, and extremely good with. No middle part.
  • Holy Power is not as important and easy to have as it was during MoP, so, no choice of talent, making Wings even more overpowered (+10s with talent, and a faster holy shock.)
About Holy shock/Denounce damage :

It’s clearly too high, a blanket –X% damage on PvP players is needed of course. I actually like the way denounce work, it’s a cool unique spell in the game.

About Saved by the Light, I think making an active ability with a CD would destroy it, but instead of that solution, in my opinion, 2 choices could be better.
  • Increase the debuff by 50%, so, 1min30 without shield or
  • Reduce the shield itself, instead of 30%, 15% could be enough.
About our cooldowns (Freedom, Sacrifice, BoP…), nobody complains about it before, because it was just another trashbuff to purge. (Hpal don’t have many trashbuffs unless you set up them perfectly : kings/might, Wog buff, flash of light buff, sacred shield, and the CD you want to protect, lots of GCD and cast to protect something.). Of course it’s dumb to have 2 charges of things, but it’s the solution from Blizzard to not giving us undispellable things.
And it’s fair, ironically, because an undispellable BoP/Sacrifice would be really stupid. And on the other hand, being able to crush a 5min CD by a spamable spell is stupid too. A dream for me would be to have really short CD, but with really short  duration. So a faster gameplay.
Our CDs become more dumb with casters classes which allow us (to have easy rating) to have more protection to offensive dispel, more protection against team which trains you, and more protection against silences/cs. So the miserable CD which last 1s on a weak class with no magic buff (DK) will last way more on the traditional overpowered classes (mages)

Now, how to nerf hpal without destroying us, without making us the new disc priest, and in the same time giving us a funny and rewarding gameplay without touching the PvE?
This is my own perception of my hpal, so you can debate with it.
  • Remove the 2 part PvP bonus, and make it baseline on the spell. Considering it already doesn’t work on outside NPC and PvE, not a problem.
  • Give us back the “1 holy power with flash of light” bonus with PvP gear. Making Holy power more fast, and making holy avenger and divine purpose viable again.
  • With this change, reduce slightly the 4 part bonus, instead of 5/10/15%, like 3/6/9% would be good. Because lots of holy power = lots of WoG.
  • Increase the healing of Eternal Flame in PvP by like 50%, and make the HoT undispellable. This cool spell is useless now considering you need 3 holy power, a cast, to have a 30s dispellable HoT which tick for nothing. All 3 talent on this row would be attractive. (Despite the bad comment on it, I find Selfless healer really good as a talent for Hpal.)
  • Reduce the impact of Wings healing by a lot (50%?) in PvP instance (BG/RBG/Arena/Wargames/Ashran – Huhu -). I mean, instead of 3min CD : 20% haste/crit/damage + 100% healing. It will be 20% haste/crit/damage +50% healing in PvP. With glyph, wings will only increase healing by 25%.
  • Make glyph of flash of light not consumed by a single spell. Like the old grace from disc priest, +10% all healing during Xs after a flash of light. The idea is to have more constant healing and less burst with wings.
  • -X% damage on holy shock/denounce against PvP target.
  • One of the 2 solutions I write about Saved by the Light
  • Make Beacon of Insight off gcd, and not bouncing randomly with other’s people spell, and not bouncing UNTIL the target reach 90% life. Reduce the healing of the casted spell to 20%. So the spell would be a good alternative of a nerfed saved by the light (But still good.), or, a passive buff to casted heals on the beacon of insight. This talent is used nowhere, and it was already bug’d on the Beta.
  • Make plate armor a thing again. (The only thing I miss from TBC was when I was a huge wall against most of melee classes)

I can only dream of that, because I think it would be too much of changes for only one spec in the game. And of course, without changing PvP itself : having constant healing would not work in the current state of the game, when everything is bound to cooldowns. That’s why Hpal shine now, because the 6.1 buff give us the perfect CD to compensate our bad constant healing with a perfect CD rotation.

#4440509 Hey Wallirikz

Posted Wallirik on 23 June 2015 - 08:28 AM

View PostLifeforceUS, on 23 June 2015 - 06:16 AM, said:

Thx for the offer. Yes im interested, can you post the data from yesterday and last night here pls?
Here's the games you made this thread about.
What's your ingame name?

#4439612 How Dhorothy gets his rating ( Topic about DDOS)

Posted snugglebunny on 22 June 2015 - 03:37 AM

i want to see dhorothy Latrell Sprewell choke dillypoo out next blizzcon, i feel like he has the nuts to do it

#4439180 How Dhorothy gets his rating ( Topic about DDOS)

Posted HeyimJack on 21 June 2015 - 11:46 AM

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#4439141 How Dhorothy gets his rating ( Topic about DDOS)

Posted Senorsquid on 21 June 2015 - 07:42 AM

Hey man why'd u cover up ur sick main characters Yaak- Kel'Thuzad, Leejieun- Wyrmrest Accord, and Sîgfrit- Ragnaros????

#4439138 How Dhorothy gets his rating ( Topic about DDOS)

Posted zev123 on 21 June 2015 - 07:41 AM

View PostSenorsquid, on 21 June 2015 - 07:10 AM, said:

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#4439126 How Dhorothy gets his rating ( Topic about DDOS)

Posted Senorsquid on 21 June 2015 - 07:10 AM

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#4439036 [US+EU] Best of Each Class

Posted Avengelyne on 21 June 2015 - 12:30 AM

Just posting this because I see so many EU lists and not a lot of US lists.. that and because people skip over a lot of specs. Thought i'd put some insight into each also.

Also looks like the thread derailed, so contributing below:


Jeff and Mes, each in different ways. Mes is mechanically smart and has sickening simulacrums/plays. Jeff is outright dangerous and does maximum damage. If you slip up vs him, you will die.


Boomkin - Asbur, not really any other boomkins and he's doing really well on ladder and in GCD weekly

Resto - Kubzy, flat out best rdruid in almost every regard. Runners up are people who basically fotm rerolled, they don't compare to be frank. He was a big part of one of the only godcomps to give our team trouble last season, too.

Feral - Walla, all round more dangerous and has more intelligent play than other candidates. Most other ferals are very systematic, that's the best way to put it.


BM - Dhorothy / Yoske (if he played still). Although people hate Dhorothy, there's no denying he's mechanically and consistently the best BM hunter atm. Yoske could definitely challenge for that if he queued.

Surv- Jellybeans, his play-style has always been making the biggest cross-cc and micro management plays to win. Survival compliments that style, he makes the most of 20 (previously 12) second traps. Each one is effective and puts him ahead in the game.

MM - Dilly, he's playing BM now but he's not a BM hunter at heart. MM is where he shined, if MM was competitive right now we'd see him at the top. His playstyle compliments going as ham as possible and creating overwhelming pressure. Last season we could push the boundaries of damage and land kills where people didn't think it would be possible to land them. He also ran the best jungle in the world with Walla. He was top of the ladder this season until MM was gutted and was forced to learn BM.


Jah in his prime, but he's pretty washed up these days ;) plus that guy chokes and loses every tournament :confused: :confused: he got 3k when Mages sucked balls earlier this xpac with (I believe) Starship and Khril.

It'd have to be Rositajones or Magiden atm. Every Mage just qs with Hpals and spams poly followed by instants, not really sure how to differentiate mages atm. Just my honest opinion, no hate :heart: . Same thing no matter who I face. They both are doing well on the ladder, with Magiden quing the most and farming GCD weekly.


Windwalkerr - Steve if he comes back. No other WW compares on US imo. He showed me the ways of the pre-kick. Every other WW has been a free win except for Balance. No other WW's has plays that are nearly as intelligent. No other WW is as dangerous.

Mistweaver - Booblesnoots was really good when we queued. I personally hit 2950+ with him and Jeff. Not sure where he went. Most others I see just snipe. Again, no hate just what I see. A couple of them could be runners up but just play TSG into shamans. Barry is worth mentioning because he was really solid, also but never queues anymore.


Pika no doubt but he has pce'd.

I think Vaze/Nahj/Generic are all good runners up. Each have their own thing. Nahj with the RMP, etc. Hard to distinguish between combat rogues, but those 3 are all good and i've seen them do well with other specs. Can't hate them for playing the best spec. If sub was good and they all played it, it would be easier to differentiate between them and name one the "next best" or whatever.


Resto - Cdew or Kaska. I've queued with Kaska this season for the first time, going into the session thinking he was just a router slayer. The communication and general slipperiness of his play is the best i've seen. Has the basics down, never eating CC unless it's out of a deep. Cdew is the same, just a bit more greedy with CDs. Sometimes it works out, othertimes not.

Enhancement - Tony. Seems like this has become his main this xpac. Tony is a solid all round player, and in my opinion excells defensively. The downsides are there are no other enh players atm, and every other global is purge. Besides the grounding/shear utility which Tony does well, there's not much else going on with them.

Elemental - Probably Novoz if there was a good ele comp and he queued. Haven't seen anyone queue ele, probably because they suck. Not much else to be said. Eles suck.


Retribution - Going to seem like a chode talking about my own spec, so I won't mention or compare myself/Zev/Vanguards. People mentioned us as candidates already.

What I will do is mention some that nobody named yet (if they did sorry I missed it): Luminant and Hangaku. They are both really good. Hangaku was the only Ret beside myself to get Prideful Gladiator last season. I don't see anyone else besides Luminant pulling off empowered seals effectively.

Holy - Elite. Made Hpal work when it shouldn't have in MoP (albeit running with the best wizard players in the game at that time). Seen him run comps that aren't just Hpal/Mage/X this season. When he did run Hpal/Mage/Spriest with Khril he was at 3100 rating for months or something until tanking somewhat recently.


Disc - Gekz. I think. Shwayzee took a break and never went hard quing arenas on Disc (and for a good reason, they suck). He's playing more Hpal these days. Fuzion also went the way of the hpal. I see Gekz doing well, I believe he's running RMP occasionally with Nahj. I believe that makes him the best current Disc priest.

Shadow - Khryl. Cmg is close but all I see him running is hpal godcomp. Khryls play is usually quite impressive. I know he took a break recently and is super rusty otherwise there'd be no contest. He's very good at finding ways to kill someone, just downright dangerous with good players.


Revo. Consistently top since MoP, he is very knowledgeable and makes decisions other Warriors sometimes don't. It's somewhat fundamentals, like playing Fury/Arms both fluently and to maximum potential. Always choosing the right talents and making the most of them. I don't see any other warriors consistently throwing out safeguard systematically each time I land a HoJ to effectively render it useless every time. Little things. It's these that separate him from Smexxin, Intrepid and Kubzy Warrior who are imo the next top choices.


Probably Channimals. He plays with Aussie MS and he's still doing the best out of any lock on ladder atm. He has always been neck in neck with Snutz or Dota. Given the fact that I haven't seen Snutz queue outside first month of WoD, and Dota seems to have disappeared, there's no other competition. Even if there was, he'd be arguably the top choice anyway.

#4438454 So this happened other night

Posted Gorecki on 20 June 2015 - 01:30 AM

haha hey guys!

#4437749 This Fabio guy..

Posted Lipgloss on 18 June 2015 - 08:59 PM

"Rub my nipples! Rub my nipples!" Nadagast moaned
"Yea Nada, you like when I brew a chop right up your buttly?" Hoodrych grunted

It was that time of year when all PvPers were at their horniest. The end of the WoW season.
Hoodrych and Nada had quit WoW for several months when they decided to make their triumphant return to World Of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenei. Nadagast had been busy point capping his gf, making sandwiches, taking baths, slaying ogres etc... when Hoodr (Hoodrych) approached him and told him that it was time to return to WoW and brew up an Ω chop, far primer than something as basic as a choptimus prime.

They asked many druids (Starship, Shouri, Rositiejones, Shiftyz, and of course Metaphorest) to play WLD to relive their glory days of any season prior to 9 (but also not 5), but it was to no avail.

"I'm busy nurturing Djpykaboox" Starship said, gently caressing Pykaboox's head in his lap
"Tch, ur trash" Shouri said, glaring at the deadly duo with contempt
"Yummy yummy yummy, rub my bummy!" Rositiejones said, cackling maniacally
"Vroom Vroom, i'm a plane" Shifty said, as he gazed into the distance
"FUCK YOU!" Metaphorest roared, for no apparent reason

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