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In Topic: ....legion? :'(

Yesterday, 02:19 PM

View PostVadren, on 24 November 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:

The problem with rogues in particular is that everything that's fun for the rogue (stealth, stuns, loads of other CC, etc...) are the most anti-fun for everyone else. I can't think of any class in the game that's more cancerous when trying to encourage new players to try and enjoy arena, or WoW PvP in general. Everything about current rogue design seems like it's aimed at making the game as miserable as possible for the rogue's opponent.

I hope they find a way to keep rogues happy while making the class more enjoyable to play against, but I really doubt it's possible for both to happen.

I think that is really the biggest issue here combined with some other smaller ones. What about sub makes you think "shadow ninja" right now other than shadow dance? Rogue has always been the least represented class in the census' over the years even during their cata domination. The class basically has no flavor or fantasy right now and I think the changes they're making are really exciting. Rogues/hunters kind of fell into the trap where there was very little way to distinguish one spec from another for newer players fantasy wise, and I think people on this forum have been playing the game so long they're just scared to see such a large change.

One of the things I miss most about vanilla/tbc was the sense of identity or even "server fame," if you will. I remember seeing players run by and recognizing them solely because they had a reputation for being the best spec/class/gear on the server. They need to bring those kinds of things back, I think most specs should have a level of complexity that are very easy to learn but extremely hard to master ie sub rogue.

In Topic: ....legion? :'(

24 November 2015 - 04:14 AM

View PostNahj, on 24 November 2015 - 02:48 AM, said:

It doesn't matter the strength.

Rogue's are crying because on paper sub is going to be a combat rogue/warrior terms of simplicity. For most of the people playing sub still it's worthy of quitting the game over if even half of this design concept goes live, due to losing what they feel is one of the last unique specs left in the game to casualization.

You'd be whining too if your spec was losing 10+ abilities like step, prep, garrote, hemo, shiv, gouge, blind, slice, rupture (gets a replacement), smoke bomb (talent), recup and shroud. IDC about recup/shroud being purged self heal mechanics are dumb and most mop mechanics like shroud/gateway are stupid anyway.

Shadowstrike, dance being passive and most of the rogue talents on the legion calculator all being passive is very anti fun. Judging from how MoP/WoD beta's went it's actually important to complain as early as possible seeing as next to nothing changed throughout the entire WoD beta where even though people were complaining it went through mostly unchanged.

Something doesn't have to be OP to have fun, people just want to have buttons to press instead of stupid passives. Even if the pvp talents/artifact talents gave us 3-4 buttons back instead of more passives left and right we'd still be losing twice as many abilities as we gained.

While I agree that massive sweeping changes to specs can be scary and might remove something you like, you don't need an abundance of different abilities to create compelling game play. I think it's still up in the air.

In Topic: ....legion? :'(

23 November 2015 - 11:49 PM

View PostROKMODE, on 23 November 2015 - 11:23 PM, said:

I actually think there is a good range of opinions this time around, which might be a good thing

there's nothing wrong with having a healthy dose of differing opinions, even if they are negative

you are naturally going to get that when they overhaul so much

I'm fine with a negative opinion, it's the extreme tin foil hat stuff prior to seeing any game play that gets me.

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23 November 2015 - 11:09 PM

What comp is he playing? Thunder? LSD?

In Topic: ....legion? :'(

23 November 2015 - 10:50 PM

This is the most narcissistic, negative group of people on earth. World would be a much more positive place if most of the people that posted in this thread were subtracted from existence.

I for one think the xpac looks pretty sick, the dev's already said that they were going to give us more shit we actually wanted to do. I remember reading these forums when WotLK was in beta and people had the exact same attitude toward it and is widely considered wow's best xpac.