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#1 Scarra

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 01:03 AM

Pretty much a thread to try to figure out the best way to get spell penetration for this current season. *Updating for Season 8*

As a consolidation of information:

We are trying to get exactly 130 penetration which goes through motw, SR aura, shadow + shadow prot. More is relatively a waste. Mages can get up to 140 self buffed, but it's a small difference.

I am only using epic gems in my calculations.

Most common spell penetration gems-
1) +25 spell pen
2) +12 sp + 13 pen
3) +43 pen (JC only)

Enchants:
Cloak = 35 pen

Penetration from Wrathful Gear:

Penetration offhand: 79 spell pen
Penetration wand: 43 spell pen

Viable ways to go about this:

For players without a cloak enchant:
1) Wand(43) + 4x +12/13 sp/pen(26) + cloak(35) = 130

For players with a cloak enchant:
1a) Offhand(79) + 1x 25 pen(25) + 2x 12/13 sp/pen(26) = 130
1b) Offhand(79) + 4x 12/13 sp/pen(52) = 131
2) Wand(43) + 3x 25 pen(75) + 1x 12/13 sp/pen(13) = 131

JCs:
1)replace wand with a JC gem and two 12/13s with one 25 if you run out of blue/prism slots :D

There are other combinations that give you way over the cap or under it and i just decided not to include them. If there are any i missed please point them out to me and i'll correct this.

As a final note: Against mage teams, i would advise individuals to buy the spell pen wand/oh to swap in because mages with shadow fort or motw can exceed 200 resistances.

*currently updating for season 8*

#2 Vidon

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 01:52 AM

Also going with option 2.  Nice work thanks =)

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 01:58 AM

35 wand 35 cloak 2.5 gems

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 02:00 AM

i think im gonna do just the cloak enchant (35), JC gem (43), and the wand (35), and one 12spower/13spen gem.

is 126 i think

#5 Scarra

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 02:03 AM

I didn't update for JC gems hmmm

is the JC gem also losing itemization points?

I think a better option would be going cloak (35) + 1 JC gem (43) + 1 normal rare (25) + 2 +12 sp/ +13 sp for 129 .

that way you can freely choose an offhand/wand (or even 2h) while using all of your blue sockets

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 02:36 AM

wand offhand cloak

enough pene

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 02:44 AM

wand, cloak, oh = 137 going with this.
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#8 Scarra

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 02:45 AM

I don't know

that's 7 more spell penetration than you need and you are losing offensive stats you can gain from weapons and having to use subpar gems or lose easy set bonuses.

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 03:05 AM

Scarra said:

I don't know

that's 7 more spell penetration than you need and you are losing offensive stats you can gain from weapons and having to use subpar gems or lose easy set bonuses.

The arguement can go the same way. Gemming for Pen makes you lose your precious SP gems which are a priority offensive stat for a :warlock:.
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#10 Scarra

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 04:08 AM

elyk456 said:

The arguement can go the same way. Gemming for Pen makes you lose your precious SP gems which are a priority offensive stat for a :warlock:.

Except that's completely wrong.

You have to get 130 spell pen from somewhere or another. My reasoning is to use all your blue sockets to fill in socket bonuses and you should try to use your blue sockets primarily to maximize your offensive potential.

You want to try to use spell pen on all 4 sockets to maximize the amount of offensive usefulness each blue socket is receiving. If you get spell pen offhand + wand + cloak, you now have 4 blue sockets that you have to gem SP + defensive stat and therefore lose offensive gains.

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 04:30 AM

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Smir, lol.

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 05:02 AM

Scarra said:

Except that's completely wrong.

You have to get 130 spell pen from somewhere or another. My reasoning is to use all your blue sockets to fill in socket bonuses and you should try to use your blue sockets primarily to maximize your offensive potential.

You want to try to use spell pen on all 4 sockets to maximize the amount of offensive usefulness each blue socket is receiving. If you get spell pen offhand + wand + cloak, you now have 4 blue sockets that you have to gem SP + defensive stat and therefore lose offensive gains.

I realize that you need 130 SP Pen. And Im not saying that your way is wrong.

Guess it just seems simpler to do what Smir said...human nature :cool:

As for the socketing if you were to go Smir's route...I wouldn't be grabbing many gem bonus's with SP/Defensive stats like you said, though. 23 SP all the way, 4 res bonus's don't seem too appealing imo.
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#13 Scarra

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 05:12 AM

elyk456 said:

Im saying all 23 SP gems really...

Most set bonus's like 4 resilience seem useless to me.

4 resilience may seem small but it slowly adds up.

This is for people who want to efficiently hit the spell pen soft cap with keeping socket bonuses.

Also, all 4 of the sockets have spell damage bonuses (if you include WG pants as one of them), meaning that you can be efficient and still have very high offensive stats compared to a person who gems +23s

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 05:34 AM

Yawn so much bs about spell pene i dont see how getting a few points would kill u ..

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 05:40 AM

The point is how to use it efficiently.

If you don't like to min-max certain aspects or if it's not important to you feel free to ignore the thread. The information is just written here to help people make easier decisions on how to use spell pen gems efficiently.

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 05:44 AM

I'm thinking of getting the Pen offhand + cloak enchant + 2 of the 12dmg/13penn gems.   (Mainly for the crit meta)

This comes out to 128 spell pen which I hope is good enough.  Then I can get the haste wand. ^_^

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 05:54 AM

-.- You are a freaking JC

just do the 2x 12/13s + 1 25 pen + 1 43 pen + cloak

probably the best combination up there

And this way you can get both the haste offhand and wand

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 07:45 AM

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pene offhand + 5x 12dmg/13penetration = 132. [4x blue + 1x belt, prismatic]

thats what i go for.

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 08:46 AM

either wand/oh/cloak,

or cloak/oh/one 25 pen gem  and haste wand.

but that would be trading Sp for Haste to a certain extent AND THAT IS A BIG NONO KIDS

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 09:45 AM

Scarra said:

Except that's completely wrong.

You have to get 130 spell pen from somewhere or another. My reasoning is to use all your blue sockets to fill in socket bonuses and you should try to use your blue sockets primarily to maximize your offensive potential.

You want to try to use spell pen on all 4 sockets to maximize the amount of offensive usefulness each blue socket is receiving. If you get spell pen offhand + wand + cloak, you now have 4 blue sockets that you have to gem SP + defensive stat and therefore lose offensive gains.

that's so 100% right!




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