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Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:08 AM

can you double heal with death strike
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#42 mav1234

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:15 AM

After more testing on live, frost damage seems about the same as 3.1, but less bursty AND can be dodged/parried.

The reason for lest bursty is because MH and OH crits are independent, so they don't really always crit at the same time. A MH+OH crit at the same time can be over 10k, like 3.1, but the occurrence is pretty rare.


Hey Tianzi, what spec/glyphs/sigil are you using to get those numbers?
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:27 AM

Hey Tianzi, what spec/glyphs/sigil are you using to get those numbers?


I'm using 10/61/0 currently for testing. Using IT, HC, and FS glyphs. I'm using FC/FC for my runeforges.

I'll be trying variations of the IT spam spec probably for most of today, then swap to a OB glyph Obliterate spec sometime tomorrow for testing.

My other spec I'm testing is DW unholy, which is not going too well.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:28 AM

why would you test it spam for dw spec when oblit hits harder than fs
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:28 AM

Ahh, ok. I want to try the 0/50/21 spec people were throwing numbers out for earlier, see how hard Oblit & DC can hit for...
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:36 AM

why would you test it spam for dw spec when oblit hits harder than fs


Why would I test what everyone else is already testing?

It probably takes about 1-2 weeks for solid results on commonly used specs to appear on both EJ and AJ forums. In 3.1 I played IT spam to 2400 with no sigil as a frost pressure spec rather when almost everyone played frost as a burst spec. There are always viable specs that people don't often use, which is why I would rather test something different, and use common specs as a backup to fall back on if the specs I'm testing don't work.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 04:13 AM

Why would I test what everyone else is already testing?


...this is a completely valid retort and I concede the point 100%.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 04:55 AM

I just tested a DW build that was similar to my current and once I put on the sigil from Naxx I was pleasantly surprised to get a bunch of 8-9k Oblit crits... and considering both hands have incredibly high crit rates with the build, I can see how it could do well, damage-wise.

I'm not really convinced that giving up FS is a good idea (and going with 0/50/21), though. I can see a decent burst chain during HC still, because a KM proc followed by a Deathchill with a trinket activated (My Wrathstone) I am getting back to back 5.5-6k crit Frost Strikes... which I guess drops quite a bit against most targets, but losing 600 ap and 9%+ crit to Oblit seems like a bad deal for what you gain out of 20 in Unholy

EDIT: Even if we decide that only 50 points is the way to go (and thereby drop KM and FS), I kinda think that we would still benefit our burst more from going something like 10/50/11 or somesuch.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 05:41 AM

so would it currently be better to pick up a t1 1hander over a furious piece to go dw frost? or is it to early to tell?
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 05:46 AM

currently have no 1 handers >.<
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 07:22 AM

I'd like to see updates using the mmochampion calculator as it seems that wowheads calculator has reverted to 3.1.3 and we are no longer able to see the PTR specs that alot of people have posted.

I'm incredibly torn between a few decisions with choosing a spec. Although i'm working hard at the moment to find something that i feel will be worthy of posting up.

Anyway's in response to the t1 weapon question. Honestly i think T1 weapons will be fine and you should probably go ahead and buy them. I have a t1 weapon in my MH and im trying to find a suitable offhand for testing.
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#52 Daimiru

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 07:32 AM

i was wise i saved points and am rewarded with 2x t2 1hs
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 12:32 PM

has anyone done arenas with the new changes as frost? atm it looks like i'm gonna run UH when i do games later in the week just cause I at least know what I want spec wise from it. With frost i'm still overwhelmed with the different variations:

- deep dw frost w/ KM, FS, HB and blood sub spec.

- dw frost w/ OB talents, Imp Icy Talons, and UH sub spec with master of ghouls.

- about one or two other variations not on the top of my head atm.

(btw this is from a 2s perspective [priest/dk] til the end of the season)

I just can't envision playing frost as a OB pressure spec and am uncertain of FS burst. WTB people's results on live.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 03:06 PM

I am in the same position you are, Shockway. =|

That being said, I was pleasantly surprised by Oblit's output on target dummies. Too bad that won't translate directly to players.

FS was unremarakable at best. I think my highest double crit was just under 6k - but that was without CG/FC and with a T1 MH, and without the Sigil of VH.

If you have the points, go buy a couple 1h weapons - don't enchant or gem them or you can't sell 'em back - and test the numbers. Do some skirms or whatever.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 03:07 PM

DUAL WIELD ANIMATIONS WITH A DRAENEI FEMALE ARE AWESOME
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 04:12 PM

DUAL WIELD ANIMATIONS WITH A DRAENEI FEMALE ARE AWESOME
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lol. dual wield does look hawt.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 06:25 PM

DUAL WIELD ANIMATIONS WITH A DRAENEI FEMALE ARE AWESOME
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Yeah, I FLIP. I'm never respeccing to Unholy just because I flip.
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#58 Daimiru

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 06:56 PM

With Mjolnir Runestone I crit Oblits on dummy for 11k+, obviously that doesn't translate to players directly but it makes you think.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 07:37 PM

I would like to see some good frost specs, as I'm as well currently testing it.
UH is good still and it's more swap friendly in 3s.

Mionelol did you find fs worth it?
The frost spec I was testing was 13/55/3, did a few 3s games with it and my dps was pretty low.

Would love to see what other dks have come up with. If you need an unholy spec let me know I have a pretty decent one, that I went 20-0 with today.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 07:41 PM

I was looking forward to DW. However after messing around w/ it on live I am not optimistic. I have only done some BGs, duels, heroics etc but it hasn't impressed me and I am kinda dissapointed. When I get home I'm gonna hopefully try it in arena so we will see.
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