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#21 Craton

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 07:01 AM

If I didn't PvE I'd have quit this game by now.
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#22 Craton

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 07:21 AM

If someone else posted what GC does here on AJ, they'd have 1000 people calling them an idiot and telling them to quit WoW.

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#23 Jhuudhun

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 08:48 AM

If someone else posted what GC does here on AJ, they'd have 1000 people calling them an idiot and telling them to quit WoW.

:(


I actually hadn't realized this until you said it, but it's true. :(
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#24 Holyraze

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 09:17 AM

Not a problem in 3's? Is GC serious?

And i wonder why 2's is the more focused bracket, o yea its because damage is completely out of control, playing 3's is prolly the equiv to 4 dps teams in 5's of s3/s4 when it comes to damage comparison.
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#25 Alysana

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 09:20 AM

I actually hadn't realized this until you said it, but it's true. :(


Such an outdated sign.
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#26 nessaya

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 11:13 AM

Just checked at SK. The result: Posted Image
Edit: just noticed there was a thread about it :<
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#27 LateraluSM

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 11:41 AM

2s cleave haha. gimme a breaaaak
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#28 Tya

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 01:52 PM

2s cleave haha. gimme a breaaaak


Shut up, really. He obviously meant melee/healer 2v2 teams. So sick of these posts. There's no need to flame him in every single topic just because he misused a bit of AJ lingo. You'd think as a warlock that you'd be overjoyed that the main designer of PvP balance just called melee overpowered.
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#29 Alysana

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 02:00 PM

Indeed, however he somewhat makes it sound like they don't think cleave in 3v3 is bad and needs fixing. Or at least he isn't very clear with his wording, at least when I read it.
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#30 Tya

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 02:02 PM

He said melee/healer in 2s is more dominant than melee/melee/healer is in 3s, which is true.
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#31 Kluian

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 02:08 PM

Well the good news is that if melee gets nerfed cleave 3s should also be affected.
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#32 Tya

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 02:12 PM

Rather sure GC's intention is to improve casters against melee, rather than nerfing melee upfront.

His exact wording was "ranged classes [are] not always able to bring their CC or survival tools to bear against melee".

To me, this says that either caster CC is going to be made easier to execute, or that melee CC immunities (AMS, Lichborne, Berserker Rage, Bladestorm etc) are going to lose their immunity or have it toned down.

I really, really don't see why Berserker Rage still breaks fear. Such an outdated mechanic.
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#33 Alysana

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 02:13 PM

But yeah, people are bashing left and right due to frustration of how long this game can go on in such a bad state. I really do hope they actually look into it this time.

Well Berserker Rage was pretty much needed back in TBC when it was all war/druid and lock/druid. Being chain CCed by hunter/druid was already bad enough. :P
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#34 Mearis

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 02:14 PM

Tya - berserker rage AND wotf
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#35 Tya

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 02:14 PM

Except the game has never been in a better state. There's 20-25 different specs you can frequently meet in arena, as opposed to the 8 in TBC. PvE is massively more balanced, and even professions are all but equal.

Really, anyone who claims the game is worse now than in TBC, is ignorant and shortsighted.
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#36 Tya

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 02:15 PM

Tya - berserker rage AND wotf


I wasn't going to mention WotF to try and avoid OMG THATS NOT A CLASS SKILL posts, but yeah, WotF can GTFO too.
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#37 Alysana

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 02:19 PM

From a money making point of view, yes Tya.

For an experience point of view of real PvPers, no. Just because there are 25 different specs who can all oneshot each other doesn't mean the game is fun and balanced.

And no, profs aren't equal either. There are two which are both standing out a fair bit than the others. One more than the second.

But this is kinda derailing the thread.
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#38 Powerslave

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 02:26 PM

I really, really don't see why Berserker Rage still breaks fear. Such an outdated mechanic.


because this has been discussed millions of times,if warriors were easily fearable they would be useless
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#39 Kluian

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 02:30 PM

useless? lol?
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#40 Tya

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 02:33 PM

because this has been discussed millions of times,if warriors were easily fearable they would be useless


Elaborate why warriors would be useless if you could be feared.

I'd like one good, solid reason why you should have a free fear break every half a second, compared to another melee such as a rogue or ret.
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