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#1 Eureka

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Posted 02 May 2009 - 03:48 PM

Any other shamans experiencing that it's very hard to outheal warriors? I mean, I go oom in the first two minutes of being nuked by warriors, any hints?
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#2 derkollegah

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Posted 02 May 2009 - 03:49 PM

same problem here...
shaman heals sucks hard.
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 04:06 PM

who ddoesnt ? cant outheal it , cant outmana it , cant get awway lol
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 04:34 PM

who ddoesnt ? cant outheal it , cant outmana it , cant get awway lol


as a paladin ?
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 04:41 PM

Well , the dmg is so high & the way warrior can intervene, charge intercept charge from 1 side to another & back again stunning half the team iss a pain :> (not playing holy 2s btw, but playing a priest & warriors is such a pain) & the peels warrior can give out is :/:/:/://://
but then again i play prot pally(dps) disc priest 2v2,
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 04:51 PM

you play prot /priest???

im lost
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:01 PM

Okay.

I'll write something serious for once!

Two of the major issues with warriors are: Overpower and Charge.

I've duel'd a lot of good warriors for some time after the recent change, and I've see a good increase in surviving against them if you are capable of pulling out the tricks.

Whenever I am tanking a warrior, YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR: Taste For Blood - It gives them a free OP whenever they keep rend up or something, but seriously it's on GCD and therefore rather easy to fake cast, but you really need to watch out for this.

If you are really pressured, stick with a Stoneclaw totem/Riptide and Earth shield whenever this happens, else you can fairly tank them with Water Shield.

Charge gives them too much lock down and free burst which puts you behind. Keep earth bind down as much as possible and if they are eager for a charge, frost shock can be very good. It's worth the mana, if they don't get the charge going, as you'll have to spend a lot more then :)!

Don't really waste time trying to kite a warrior, you will only make it worse for yourself.

Now I play with a Death Knight myself, and against a fair amount of warrior teams they'll sit on DK in the begining and swap to you for burst moments - Staying on the DK shouldn't be an issue, but what I've found to work pretty decent which we tested against the highest rated Pri/War in out BG.

Let us take Ruins:

ALWAYS STAY AT PILLARS. Timing a death grip with you running los is 100% game breaking, it might take some practise, but it's 100% worth it :)!
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#8 Eureka

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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:06 PM

Thanks for the tips, Blowi. I play ret+resto shaman, doesn't really matter which target warrior goes for, I go oom anyway. But because my ret pala partner doesn't have really much resilience hes quite easy nuked by a warr, and that turns out I have to spam heal and will go oom shortly. Any tips on how much resilience my ret pala should get?
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:16 PM

Okay.

Whenever I am tanking a warrior, YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR: Taste For Blood - It gives them a free OP whenever they keep rend up or something, but seriously it's on GCD and therefore rather easy to fake cast, but you really need to watch out for this.


wtf taste of blood, its rend and it can happen every 6 sec
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:26 PM

wtf taste of blood, its rend and it can happen every 6 sec



Taste for Blood Rank 3
Whenever your Rend ability causes damage, you have a 100% chance of allowing the use of your Overpower ability for 9 sec. 1 charge. This effect will not occur more than once every 6 sec.

I don't think you get it mejt 8)))
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:39 PM

basically if u dont juke an overpower ur gonna die because ovr power and MS stack to become a 75% mortal strike.. needs nerf asap.


wth, is this true? They stack?
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:41 PM

wth, is this true? They stack?


"Ciths Earthshield heals Cith for 500" yeah they stack :P
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:42 PM

wth, is this true? They stack?


What did you think? Warriors already have mortal strike,if they didn't stack it would largely be worthless.
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:46 PM

What did you think? Warriors already have mortal strike,if they didn't stack it would largely be worthless.


Uh, switch overpower healing, use one of your 10 billion cooldowns to get on your MS target?

Because they stack, its stupid.
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:49 PM

powerslave first off overpower is the most OVERPOWEREd move in the dam game right now. how are u gonna giv a class with mortal strike another move to make it a 75% mortal strike .. its impossible to tank they should make it u either hav over pwoer on ur target or mortal strike one or the other.. balance this shyt blizzard


You realise you need to be hit while casting for the debuff to apply right? The usual alternative is school lockdown instead of 50% casting penalty.
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:49 PM

do charge and intercept share DRs?
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:51 PM

do charge and intercept share DRs?


no
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:54 PM

are u dum bro if i dont juke it i get the 75% mortal strike thts what im talking bout how r u going to tell me.


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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:54 PM

You realise you need to be hit while casting for the debuff to apply right? The usual alternative is school lockdown instead of 50% casting penalty.


School lockout is better than 75% MS

You realize while we're attempting to juke something that does damage anyhow...WE'RE STILL MORTAL STRIKED AND TAKING A BOATLOAD OF DAMAGE?

lol....dense
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Posted 02 May 2009 - 05:55 PM

If you can't juke a on-GCD "interrupt", you pretty much don't deserve gladiator.
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