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#41 sayber

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 05:33 AM

Are you really comparing a 51pt talent with a trainable ability?

You guys are smart.

It's like comparing Mind Blast with Explosive Shot.
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#42 Holynight

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 03:19 PM

ye - 60s cd, 6s duration, removeable by druids, palas, shamans, totems, 31-pointer, leaves dot that prevents CC on target right after with very minor damage
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90s cd, 10s duration, baseline skill

repentance is like 6 seconds? and did you just say its baseline?
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#43 Arbaal

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 03:36 PM

repentance is like 6 seconds? and did you just say its baseline?


Why do so few people read the whole string before posting. He was talking about blind not repentance.
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#44 Dantastic

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 04:04 PM

I think the problem with hunters is pretty much that we win by ccing healer killing DPS in almost any situation. This means we either have the CC and damage to reliably do this (as we do now) which makes us pretty much overpowered. But if were nerfed so that we dont then I think we might struggle.

Ive been playing priest/rogue on my priest alt a lot recently and we win games by ccing dps nuking healer, ccing healer killing dps, draining etc. None of these strategies is a surefire win but between them we can be very competitive. Personally I think hunters need to be given tools to kill healers (new guerilla ability will help, as will making MM viable) but we need the ability to kill a DPS during a CC chain on a healer nerfed so that it is a viable tactic in some situations, but not the tactic for every situation.

I could be wrong of course maybe the (many) better hunters than me on here win with all kinds of strategies but thats just my opinion.
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#45 Lortho

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 11:59 PM

I don't think it will have TOO big impact. It's not like the class will suck again or something.

Instead of having 2 frost traps up and 45sec CD 10 sec CC we (atleast I) will have 1 frost trap up (all the time exept for 6 sec) and a 44sec CD 10sec CC (scatter + trap).

Basically what we lose is scatter shot and the ability to have 2 traps up 80% of the time. If this new Trap Launching shiz makes the trap unavoidable (i.e not like freezing shot) we can still use scatter as a lifesaver.

Edit: Appears like Black Arrow replaced Trap Laucher.. oh well.:(
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Posted 02 March 2009 - 01:59 AM

I don't think it will have TOO big impact. It's not like the class will suck again or something.

:(


Did you even read the other nerfs? Paladins are going to straight counter hunters. You'll barely ever got LnL procs now. On top of that ES does 25% less dmg.
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#47 Keiret

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 02:45 AM

You get LnL proccs on every trap, what is the problem? Seriously the crying has to stop, we will be FAR from weak.
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Posted 02 March 2009 - 02:58 AM

Freedom make frost traps not work, thus making no lnl procs.
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Posted 02 March 2009 - 11:41 AM

Good thing I play with a shaman then.
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#50 snugglebunny

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 12:40 PM

Eh, itll still be pretty bad. they can just save freedoms. But thats kind of unlikely. I agree with the fact that we were WAY too strong but some of these nerfs are crazy and illogical.
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#51 Riezel

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 01:14 PM

Will wyvern still be on same DR as traps/repen?
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#52 Bailou

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 01:22 PM

I don't have words for this
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#53 Saracens

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 01:27 PM

On top of that ES does 25% less dmg.


Who said anything about a 25% nerf? From what I read it was going to be a 12% nerf in direct damage and 12% nerf in scaling so a 12% overall damage nerf.
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Posted 02 March 2009 - 01:32 PM

so, its a long range repentance now, also better because warriors can't zerk rage out of sting..
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Posted 02 March 2009 - 02:28 PM

so, its a long range repentance now, also better because warriors can't zerk rage out of sting..

wyvern sting:
- removed by druids, paladins, shamans, Tremore Totem, Cleansing Totem
- racialized by: dwarves, undeads
- min range required
- shares diminishing returns with other hunter CC

so saying wyvern is like repetance, just ranged is like saying that your mom is like Cindy Crawford, just with bigger breast
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Posted 02 March 2009 - 02:36 PM

Who said anything about a 25% nerf? From what I read it was going to be a 12% nerf in direct damage and 12% nerf in scaling so a 12% overall damage nerf.


Explosive Shot: Base damage lowered by 10%. Attack power scaling reduced by 12.5%.


Not exactly 25% but most certainly more than 12%. On top of that, we'll be getting WAY less LnL procs.
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#57 Missekatten

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 03:11 PM

wyvern sting:
- removed by druids, paladins, shamans, Tremore Totem, Cleansing Totem
- racialized by: dwarves, undeads
- min range required
- shares diminishing returns with other hunter CC

so saying wyvern is like repetance, just ranged is like saying that your mom is like Cindy Crawford, just with bigger breast


Repetance

- removed by Paladins and priests , grounding totem.

- All warriors can break it

- short range, no min range.

- sharing diminishing returns with the huge cc arsenal of retris..ohh wait.

Its very different, but then again have some chocking similarities.

its just a way to "wyvern" magically/inca
wywern is the poison version
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Posted 02 March 2009 - 03:31 PM

I find the fact that every hunter is skilled after 3.0.8 and most of hunters are yet trying to be Levidians and convience people that theyre not out of the line at all pretty funny. But yeh truth is that if all the nerfs that our incoming for hunters are going to go live the rep. is going to drop miles. But hey rogues are bottom class at SK-100 Class rep. Yehyeh SK-100 doesnt say a thing etcetc and rogues suck at 5v5 etcetc, but then again rogue was like number 3 at rep before 3.0.8. Just saying...
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#59 lesmock

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 04:47 PM

3.1 will make Hunters equal to others I believe.
Seriously, you can't actually think that a ranged MS, high ranged damage and ranged CC with crazy kiting is fair ;)

Pray for no more blizztakes now!
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#60 Replicator

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Posted 02 March 2009 - 05:15 PM

I've been reading somewhere that ES nerf in PTR patch notes is just an announcement of the stealth nerf applied few weeks ago

Anyone who can confirm?
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