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#41 Sykeasaurus

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 01:26 PM

For Belarin:

http://www.wowhead.c...uIgtMes0botf0to

Since you're not 100% sold on Rapture, I figured you'd like this build. Pretty much the same as the ones I was doing before, except I moved the points out of Rapture (4/5) into 3/3 Imp Inner Fire and 1/3 Blessed Recovery for purge bait.

Yea, I know you did calcs on Imp Power Word: Shield, but it can't be all bad.

EDIT: If you hate Imp Power Word: Shield a lot though, you COULD move those 3 points into perhaps Divine Aegis.
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#42 Belarin

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 04:27 PM

I think at this point that I'll try 3/5 Rapture, but I could try both and see.
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#43 Rhinoceros

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 09:42 PM

Rapture scales nicely with intellect. I recall reading about a bug where the mana return from power word: shield was incorrect though. It was reading the (maximum mana) part of its formula from the character who was absorbing damage. So, you were getting no mana from a shield on a rogue or warrior.

I think that was it anyway.

edit:
it was actually here:
http://elitistjerks....p11/#post983483
Not sure if it was fixed recently.
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#44 Belarin

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 09:49 PM

Rapture scales nicely with intellect.


Agreed. The problem is, we're starting off fresh at a new level cap with the lowest int levels we'll ever have at lvl 80...

Interesting info about that bug, I also would like to know if it's been fixed.
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#45 Parmesan

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 07:59 PM

So after trying many many specs in wintergrasp and BGs the following are the best disc holy and shadow build I have tried. Granted these were not tried in arena but in other pvp situations.

http://www.wowhead.c...zIgtMes0bRtfzto

It is pretty similar to other specs except for a few talents.

Imp PWS: scales horribly not worth taking
rapture: I just didnt find this that useful it didnt seem like I gained that much regen from it. I can see it being really strong with a crit disc spec however as it adds more mana from divine aegis.

renewed hope/divine aegis: no crit on arena gear so these seem lackluster.



As for a shadow spec I like the following

http://www.wowhead.c...Z0xfrRfkfVqfdVo

some notes on the shadow talents

Mind melt: this talent would be good if it helped dots while in shadow form but it doesn't.

pain and suffering: PvE talent

The one thing i might change would be taking absolution over focused mind these were three points i couldnt decide on.

Also I chose to take meditaion over absolution mainly because it is nice to have the option of switching to a spirit weapon in certain situations.



As for a holy build I am likeing something like this.

http://www.wowhead.c...MZfMthfrqVzA00t

I would love to find 3 more points for spell warding but I dont know where they would come from.

Also imp mana burn over 3/3 absolution is just a personal pref. I still am not fully convinced imp mana burn is worth it in WOTLK but I have found some uses.


feel free to critique these builds Id love to hear feedback.
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#46 terrion

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 01:05 AM

Mind Melt - a really good talent, especially at the low resilience values everyone has at this point.
Pain and Suffering - I wouldn't qualify it as a pve talent, although it's not extremely high on my priority list. I still fit it in every build I do so far.
Absolution - not worth the points
Imp mana burn - not really worth it. I'd rather mind flay even if mind blast is on a cd.

Also, the new Unbreakable Will - not really worth the points. Especially since it can be replaced by a great damage talent such as Twin Disciplines.

Here is my build:
http://www.wowhead.c...Z0xfrRfkbiqfdAo

The only thing I'm not getting in this build but want to get is Focused Mind.
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#47 Sykeasaurus

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 10:30 AM

80 PERIOD, THANK GOD.
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#48 Belarin

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 11:24 AM

80 PERIOD, THANK GOD.


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#49 Nust

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 12:09 PM

80 PERIOD, THANK GOD.


Huzzah!
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#50 Daize

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 01:55 PM

Gz :)

Improved inner fire is bullocks, don't take it. On a different note, Pain and Suffering is a great talent imo, which helps straightening out the difference between being able to nuke, and not getting in danger too much yourself. Next to that, refreshing swp's doesn't only save you mana, but also a gcd. Just use your head while using it.

I'm not totally convinced myself about Twisted Faith though.
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#51 Belarin

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 01:29 AM

Improved inner fire is bullocks, don't take it.



I strongly disagree. Not only is it a good talent for disc, but because of the way it stacks with Shadowform it's even stronger for shadow.
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Posted 28 November 2008 - 09:37 AM

"The way it stacks with shadowform", you'd have to explain that to me.
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#53 Belarin

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 11:10 AM

At least in the past, the 15% reduction from shadowform stacked additively with armor.

So if 0 -> 3 points w/o shadowform takes you from
(0/3) 4470 = 22.7% reduction
(3/3) 5568 = 26.8% reduction
for a 5.3% physical damage reduction (http://www.arenajunk...ead.php?t=50795)

Then with shadowform
(0/3) 4470 = 37.7% reduction
(3/3) 5568 = 41.8% reduction
for a 6.6% physical damage reduction

The corollary is also why armor reducing effects work so well on shadow priests.

PS: If this has changed I apologize and someone please correct me. I haven't played shadow seriously since patch 1.09.
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#54 terrion

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 03:27 PM

Gz :)

Improved inner fire is bullocks, don't take it.



What would you take instead of it?
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Posted 28 November 2008 - 05:56 PM

I saw you opened a thread about it, nice! However, it's for a healing build. As I don't know anything about priest healing (not much), I'll put a spotlight on the shadowside:
I'd spec this:
http://www.wowhead.c...Z0xfrRfkciqfdAo where the 'leftover' points go into Twisted Faith. I'm hoping for quite some spirit on the gear, which makes this talent and Meditation better. Improved Inner Fire is a PvE talent for shadowpriests, imo.
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#56 terrion

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 06:36 PM

I saw you opened a thread about it, nice! However, it's for a healing build. As I don't know anything about priest healing (not much), I'll put a spotlight on the shadowside:
I'd spec this:
http://www.wowhead.c...Z0xfrRfkciqfdAo where the 'leftover' points go into Twisted Faith. I'm hoping for quite some spirit on the gear, which makes this talent and Meditation better. Improved Inner Fire is a PvE talent for shadowpriests, imo.


The thread involves the mitigation provided by imp. inner fire, and it's quite solid. As Belarin stated, it helps shadow even more than it helps non-shadow builds. It also provides spellpower increase, which helps shadow even more.

As for your spec, I'd say it's a good one, but I don't think the points in Martyrdom are worth anymore with the changes to pushback mechanics and the new effect from shadowform. I'd also definitely get imp. VE.
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#57 Earrl

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 01:59 AM

Now the question becomes is Shadow Power + Mind Melt worth it...based on tests that I have done even at 70, I felt like the talents themselves were solid. These Priests on WoW boards are talking about MAX 15% crit in PvP gear, and Resilience bringing it back to 5% crit. So with that in mind, are those talents truely worth it? I think that is what would start the best debate currently. I personally don't see any reason why you wouldn't be trying to maximize resilience/crit, meanwhile WoW boards preaching otherwise.

I simply can't even imagine there are people suggesting Spirit as if DoT's don't benefit from the crit rating, meanwhile...these guys are also saying they can't get Mind Blasts/Mind Flays off against high end players. I think it could be a case of bads, I didn't seem to have trouble casting, and I don't think that DoT damage and healing will be enough to get by anymore with HP being as high as it is. What is everybody elses take?
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#58 Parmesan

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 03:17 PM

Well the thing about mind melt that bugs me is that it is not straight up 4% crit. If that were the case I would take it in a heart beat but since it is not it doesn't help DOTS or SWD. I think I would rather have 1% crit to all spells over mind melt.
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#59 Earrl

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 03:32 PM

I agree, they could have certainly made Mind Melt a little bit more flexible. Just a case where they skimp on another Priest talent...lol.
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#60 Timothy

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 03:07 AM

All I can say is good players don't copy specs ;)
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