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#1 Tyveris

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 05:27 AM

Hey guys. We need your help. We are going to be updating our talent guides for Wrath and were hoping you could post your planned build for level 80 along with a short description about it. Also, if you have any thoughts on the individual talents, listing those would be helpful as well. Each person will be credited and we will keep track of it with our new contribution system (no details yet).

Thanks in advance for everyone who helps out.
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#2 Vlada

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 07:41 AM

Holy builds:

Holy/Imp HoJ build 53/18/0
http://www.wowhead.c...xhdGVuMhRxacbVc

Advantages: (based vs DP spec)
1)You have a HoJ on 30 sec CD timer wich is great for your lack of CC as you can force early trinket with it.
2)4 second longer duration on HoF
3)60% less chance on Hand spells to be dispeled wich is the biggest advantage of this spec
4) Fully talented JoTP wich is really good if you are runing with PvE gear

Disadvantages: (based vs DP spec)
1)Missing the immunity to stun
2)Lesser critical and movement speed
3)Lower burst
4)Higher mana costs

Holy/DP build 49/0/22
http://www.wowhead.c...VuM0RLZVf0xbh0b
You can get 2 in Holy Guidence instead of Pure of Heart, your choice

Advantages: (based vs HoJ spec)
1)HoF removes stun, one of the best talent in paladin trees
2)Higher crit and burst
3)Undispellable seals
4)Lower mana cost on instant casts
5)Better movement

Disatvantages: (based vs HoJ spec)
1)Short HoF duration
2)Only CC is on 1 min cooldown
3)30% dispel resistance vs 60% of HoJ build
4)Missing BoK

Glyphs:
Minor:Glyph of the Wise / Glyph of Sense Dead. For the third you can pick whatever you like doesn't really matter.
Major:Glyph of Seal of Wisdom / Glyph of FoL. The third one is your choice really, Glyph of Holy Light , Glyph of Seal of Light vs heavy burst teams, Glyph of HoJ for better CC.
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Posted 13 November 2008 - 08:02 AM

Ret builds:

Ret/Imp HoJ build 0/18/53
http://www.wowhead.c...ZVfMtbIufMsTzuo

Improved HoJ: This talent is a must on 80 as a ret paladin , your stun is on 30 second cooldown wich is kinda too good to be missed.They changed the PvP set bonus to -1 sec Judgement cooldown.
Eye for an Eye: The talent is not bad, if you can spare 2 talent points you can train it but there are much more important talents in ret.
Vengeance: At the moment it's 3 talent points , they said they are thinking of making it 5 talent points again.
Righteous Vengeance: This talent is really bad in PvP terms now , it does minor damage and it's 5 talent points.Puting 1 talent in it just for DoT vs stealth classes.They said they are planing it to stack 5 times , anything before that change it's useless to talent it for PvP.
Deflection: 5 talent point Parry is bad for DPS class so skip it.
Improved BoM: It is dispeled most of the time and losing 2 talent points here is not good.
Improved Ret aura: This is raid talent for more threat for tanks , useless in PvP.
Swift Retribution: PvE talent , pretty useless in PvP.
The debate of Imp RF vs Toughness: Imp RF is not so bad , gets dispeled most of the times and with new Toughness the slow reduction is good with our lack of snare/root effects.
All other talents are must for a Retribution spec.

Glyphs:
Minor:Glyph of the Wise / Glyph of Sense Dead. Third one is your choice.
Major:Glyph of SoC / Glyph of HoJ / Glyph of Judgement.
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Posted 13 November 2008 - 09:46 AM

http://www.wowhead.c...xhdGVuMxRtacbVc

Is my take on 53/18/0. I agree with http://www.wowhead.c...VuMhRLZVf0xbh0b for the 49/0/22 build.
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Posted 20 November 2008 - 09:00 PM

Holy/DP build 49/0/22
http://www.wowhead.c...VuMhRLZVf0xbh0b


This is going to be the spec imo



Beacon of Light is not good at all for arena
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Posted 20 November 2008 - 09:17 PM

Holy/DP build 49/0/22

Beacon of Light is not good at all for arena, or even raiding.


I won't post off-topic after this one, but holy shit are you really that stupid? I mean yeah, it's bad for PvP, but to say it's bad in PvE is ridiculous.
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Posted 21 November 2008 - 02:07 AM

I won't post off-topic after this one, but holy shit are you really that stupid? I mean yeah, it's bad for PvP, but to say it's bad in PvE is ridiculous.


Depends on the situation. If there is no split damage then your better off not blowing 1k mana on it.
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#8 Ryushi

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Posted 22 November 2008 - 04:20 PM

Hi there, could some of you please elaborate on why you would take 3/5 Holy Guidance over 3/3 Sacred Cleansing? I'm finding it difficult to justify that.

Thanks in advance.

Also to keep on topic, these are my variations of Holy/HoJ - Holy/DP builds as well as Ret pvp 80 build:

- Holy/HoJ
http://www.wowhead.c...xhdGVuMcRxacbVc

- Holy/DP
http://www.wowhead.c...VuMcRhZVf0xbh0b

- Ret
http://www.wowhead.c...ZxfRtrIufMsMzho
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#9 Vlada

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Posted 22 November 2008 - 04:24 PM

Sacred Cleansing is bad , really bad. Too RNGsh and never procs. When I first saw that talent I tought it's awesome, but after I used it in-game it failed so so hard.And why wouldn't you want extra Spell Power over it?
your ret link doesn't work btw
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#10 Ryushi

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Posted 22 November 2008 - 04:34 PM

I understand the RNG part about it, the tooltip just makes it sound so explicit when in reality it hardly comes close assuming you're correct, Holy Guidance would be the way to go definitely.
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 02:21 PM

Here's my thoughts on some Level 80 Holy Builds. I'm very open to suggestion, as I'm on a PvE realm so my builds may be a little more skewed toward that respect.

Holy/Ret Build:

http://www.wowhead.c...0uMZZVfrxrG0b0s

Advantages:
Vindication to lower stats of melee attackers. Eye for an Eye for reactive dps. Divine Purpose to remove stuns. Repentance for a second CC. Judgements of the Wise for steady mana returns.

Disadvantages:
No Holy Guidance, Enlightened Judgements, Divine Illumination, Judgements of the Pure or Beacon of Light.

Deep Holy Build:
http://www.wowhead.c...xhdGVuMxRtacbZV

Advantages:
All key Holy talents, Kings, Stoicism, and Benediction.

Disadvantages:
No extra armor for melee, no RF damage reduction, no HoJ cooldown reduction.
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 02:30 PM

Jotw is really bad for holy atm. It's like 400 mana now so losing too much in holy is not worth it
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 02:56 PM

Hrm.. that's what I thought too. The Holy/Ret build is something I messed around with in beta, and would get close to 2k mana back per judge. The second build is more what I'm going to be using at 80.
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 03:11 PM

jotw has been nerfed like 3 times since then ;)
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Posted 25 December 2008 - 04:05 PM

My post will be only about the Retribution class:

First up:
http://www.wowhead.c...ZxdrtbhufMsgzuo

This build is a defensive build, it is highly recommended in the early stages of season5 and if you're new to arena with low resilience.

Advantages:
Divine Guardian - 30% dmg reduction to raid for 12 seconds, really nice to assist a healer with.

Imp HoJ - 30 seconds stun, if glyphed it is 7 seconds out of 30 seconds that a target can be stunned in, giving also 100% chance
to crit.

Toughness - Means you will most likely be giving your freedom away, to remove a stun or to stick to a target while you dispel/bubble

Deflection - In the beginning you would want survivability over mana, you will not survive long enough to go oom, and judgement of the wise will keep you more than topped.

Righteous Vengeance - To keep those people from bandaging / stealthing just to make your head turn red and pop when you loose.

Fanatiscm - Alot of people are switching between our two seals, alot of people will trinket our HoJ so we need that crit!
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Secondly up:
http://www.wowhead.c...ZVfrtbIufMsgzAo

This spec is more for 3v3 / 5v5 rather than 2v2. The spec has all the damage talents possible obtainable, and is focused alot less on stunning / mitigating damage. You would want the freedom for yourself here.

You could take Eye for an eye if you would like to, but odds are it will break a CC or they will not go for you, this spec is if you got a bit resilience and you teammates got a way to survive on their own. Along with a BoP and Hand of Sacrifice this should suffice. Another melee or slower/cc'er in your team would compliment this spec very well, or a good burst.
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Third up:
http://www.wowhead.c...ZaebZVdrtbhuf0s

This spec is as you can see nowhere near complete. The diffrence is I've taken kings into consideration. In Season 3-4 Kings was a very good talent, since BoW would not get you very far. Kings will give a great boost to your healers, and you if you got a wariror doing battleshout/commanding in your team.

The rest of the talents are basicly up to you, Divine guardian/Thoughness/Imp HoJ all depending on your role in 2v2 / 3v3 / 5v5 and how squishy the setup you are running are.
Fanatiscm / Art of war over lets say Swift Retribution which also gives the casters a 3% haste where as Art of War resets your swingtimer ?.

All up to you.

In the end, no spec should be decided forehand. You need to know who you will play with and what playstyle you will decided. Take into consideration gear + skill and take a propiate spec.
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:o i didnt c wat u did thar, could you explain for us dumb ppl?


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Posted 22 January 2009 - 07:36 PM

47-0-24

http://www.wowhead.c...VuMjRZZVdrxbh0b


This build is much like the 49-0-22 build, but i drop 2 points in holy and pick up vindication. Depending on which comp you run and how you run it, this build may or may not be for you. I play Pally/Dk, and we both play really aggressive. The vindication debuff adds a little more pressure, reducing health and other stats.

The downfall, you loose a bit of intellect and some healing. But with dks as durable as they are, and divine plea to help with mana, the intellect loss and healing drop inst a huge problem.

You could also drop points out of sacred cleansing if you dont feel its worth it, and place the 3 points in Holy Guidance and/or divine intellect.
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