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#1 Tyveris

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 05:26 AM

Hey guys. We need your help. We are going to be updating our talent guides for Wrath and were hoping you could post your planned build for level 80 along with a short description about it. Also, if you have any thoughts on the individual talents, listing those would be helpful as well. Each person will be credited and we will keep track of it with our new contribution system (no details yet).

Thanks in advance for everyone who helps out.

#2 Getrugged

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 07:04 AM

http://www.wowhead.c...ZfMGh0rkrxqocou
21-5-45, 2v2 with healer mainly (though not bad for 3v3)

21 points in Blood for mark of blood, plus all the +dmg modifiers.

5 points into frost for toughness since DK's biggest weakness is snares and this will help ALOT with kiting issues, in 2's especially where it is not always so easy to switch targets. This works especially better with trolls/gnome for their snare reduction/root/snare abilities.

Only 45 points into Unholy, instead of the common 50, what your giving up in this build is reaping and 2 points into Rage of the rivendare, which is a nice but marginal DPS increase. however, i feel that toughness overweighs those small +dmg modifiers since it is more important to stay on your target then to do abit more damage when your on them but be easily kited away.

overral, very strong 2's with a healer spec (especially priest/shaman/druid, as pallies can give u freedom and have very high survivability themself so Mark of blood isnt necessary).

http://www.wowhead.c...ZfMGh0fkRgqofou
2's spec with a hpal/shockadin (wont work well with 3 because mark of blood is godly in 3's and toughness isnt really needed).

Same as above, except 4 points are taken out of Blood tree (so you lose mark of blood, and 33% in imp rune tap) and place those extra points into Unholy to pump up your dps some (reaping, rage of the rivendare).

i see this as the ideal DK/shoackadin spec, as both are EXTREMELY durable agaisnt melee, plus anti magic zone, a pet, death grip and a range of silences are going to make killing a pally a living hell for both casters and melee.
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#3 afk4lifez

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 11:24 AM

http://www.worldofwa...053151203103150


0/14/57

insane burst from two consecutive obliterates (possible due to 3 pts in annihilation)

blood strike - bloodboil - plague strike - scourge strike - obliterate 2x

also lich born acts like evasion for rogues, in addition to immunity to fear sleep charm

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 12:36 PM

dont know if this is a discussion thread, but felt i had to comment on the OP above's me spec, because id hate to see non-AJ posting members seeing this spec and using it...

your spec is HORRIBLE.

No virulence/unholy command/morbidity/dirge/impuruty.....yet you find points to max out Anticipation (5% dodge wtf), Necrosis (HORRIBLE for pvp), outbreak (pretty lucklustre to its alternatives)....and all this with 57 points in unholy. As Darren Hinch would say...SHAME SHAME SHAME!
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Posted 14 November 2008 - 04:33 PM

Hey prorug, could you post a frost PvP build?

#6 Taiyoken

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 05:14 PM

How is this for Frost?

http://www.wowhead.c...xzhtdMGRAostfMG

I didn't take Runic Power Mastery because smart usage of skills should prevent you from running dry on runic power, and I don't see many cases where you would be banking all that runic power up, it's usually better to cast all your spells ASAP anyway - there usually is always a spell you can cast.

Imp Rune Tap was not taken because so many defensive cooldowns are taken that you shouldn't need the extra health (18 sec (or 21) IBF, Lichborne, UBA)

A thing to note also, is that with Lichborne, you become UNDEAD, meaning Death Coil can heal you, so I find that Rune Tap is a bit redundant here (because DC can heal you for about as much as Rune Tap)

Icy Talons tree takes too many talents to get.

Hungering Cold is the "lol I made your entire team trinket" button, with Death Grip, this is very possible.

Bladed Armor was skipped for Blood Plague and Merciless Combat. With the huge amount of crit you have for Obliterate, it might as well be a 35% execute, because it does a HUGE amount of damage.
With this Sigil http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40207 , Obliterate IS pretty much a spammable execute.

Frost Aura was taken instead of Acclimation, because Frost Aura gives 45 resist, while each stack of Acclimation gives 50. While Acclimation may be better vs lock/DK teams, the buff is also purge-able, which may prove useless in some team setups (I actually don't know what teams people will run, but if there's a lack of priests/shamans then Acclimation may be more viable than Frost Aura).

Unbreakable Armor is also a DPS increasing CD.

I'm not sure on the amount of hit rating people will be getting at 80, but if it's over 6%, then Frigid Dreadplate can be dropped for Glacier Rot.

Edit; 2 points in Blade Barrier can be moved elsewhere as well, that's kind of filler.

#7 afk4lifez

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 06:02 PM

juventino_hero said:

dont know if this is a discussion thread, but felt i had to comment on the OP above's me spec, because id hate to see non-AJ posting members seeing this spec and using it...

your spec is HORRIBLE.

No virulence/unholy command/morbidity/dirge/impuruty.....yet you find points to max out Anticipation (5% dodge wtf), Necrosis (HORRIBLE for pvp), outbreak (pretty lucklustre to its alternatives)....and all this with 57 points in unholy. As Darren Hinch would say...SHAME SHAME SHAME!

i changed it a bit

http://www.wowhead.c...fMGh0fkgeqocoux

is this one OK now, i really dun know much about DK's

#8 Taiyoken

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 06:16 PM

Don't get Obliterate boosting talents and Scourge Strike because they both take Unholy and Frost runes, and one will end up to be a waste of points to get.

Wandering Plague is amazing.
Blood Caked Blade is lackluster if you're not Dual Wielding
The only way I'd see Unholy Blight skipped is in a pve build.

You should get Corpse Explosion with all those Ghoul talents for a really big nuke (not sure if this was changed).


I'd recommend playing the class a bit, you can't just throw together random talents and hope for a good build.

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 06:43 PM

Unholy:  http://www.wowhead.c...ZfMGh0fkReqocou with 2 points to spare for rage of rivendare or unholy aura, depending on your team

Frost:  http://www.wowhead.c...ZGgxzI0dMGRVost

Blood:  http://www.wowhead.c...ZfMGh0fkReqocou

Some of the specs/info in this thread already are really bad... :(

#10 Dynimight

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 06:47 PM

Taiyoken said:

Blood Caked Blade is lackluster if you're not Dual Wielding
No, it's decent burst for unholy, and there's nothing better to get that early in the tree.

Taiyoken said:

The only way I'd see Unholy Blight skipped is in a pve build.
Unholy blight should really only be taken for a pve build now that it's no longer a disease.  It's not worth missing out on Mark of Blood.

Taiyoken said:

You should get Corpse Explosion with all those Ghoul talents for a really big nuke (not sure if this was changed).
Corpse explosion is terrible.

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Posted 14 November 2008 - 07:35 PM

Taiyoken said:

How is this for Frost?

http://www.wowhead.c...xzhtdMGRAostfMG

I didn't take Runic Power Mastery because smart usage of skills should prevent you from running dry on runic power, and I don't see many cases where you would be banking all that runic power up, it's usually better to cast all your spells ASAP anyway - there usually is always a spell you can cast.

Imp Rune Tap was not taken because so many defensive cooldowns are taken that you shouldn't need the extra health (18 sec (or 21) IBF, Lichborne, UBA)

A thing to note also, is that with Lichborne, you become UNDEAD, meaning Death Coil can heal you, so I find that Rune Tap is a bit redundant here (because DC can heal you for about as much as Rune Tap)

Icy Talons tree takes too many talents to get.

Hungering Cold is the "lol I made your entire team trinket" button, with Death Grip, this is very possible.

Bladed Armor was skipped for Blood Plague and Merciless Combat. With the huge amount of crit you have for Obliterate, it might as well be a 35% execute, because it does a HUGE amount of damage.
With this Sigil http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40207 , Obliterate IS pretty much a spammable execute.

Frost Aura was taken instead of Acclimation, because Frost Aura gives 45 resist, while each stack of Acclimation gives 50. While Acclimation may be better vs lock/DK teams, the buff is also purge-able, which may prove useless in some team setups (I actually don't know what teams people will run, but if there's a lack of priests/shamans then Acclimation may be more viable than Frost Aura).

Unbreakable Armor is also a DPS increasing CD.

I'm not sure on the amount of hit rating people will be getting at 80, but if it's over 6%, then Frigid Dreadplate can be dropped for Glacier Rot.

Edit; 2 points in Blade Barrier can be moved elsewhere as well, that's kind of filler.
Looks good.  I think 130 rune power is pretty good considering you have quite a few abilities that deal a lot of damage (or heal) and will be prioritized over frost strike/death coil.  

Also, it might be worth equating DKs to mut rogues in some situations.  If I save my rune power so it's at a constant ~80, I can dump it all when we CC something.

Interesting about the deathcoil selfheal, I didn't think of that.

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Posted 15 November 2008 - 03:08 AM

If a priest wants to spam purge acclimation let them go ahead.  Dispel isn't cheap.  I agree frost aura is better though.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 08:44 PM

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Corpse explosion is terrible.

If you're in Unholy your ghoul is going to have lots of health, and you can CE your own ghoul for like 6000+ damage. Situational, but it's better than it dying without anything.

I'm not really sure on the damage it does at 80 cause I remember doing this early in the beta, so if it's crappy now I apologize.

#14 Dynimight

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 09:22 PM

Taiyoken said:

If you're in Unholy your ghoul is going to have lots of health, and you can CE your own ghoul for like 6000+ damage. Situational, but it's better than it dying without anything.

I'm not really sure on the damage it does at 80 cause I remember doing this early in the beta, so if it's crappy now I apologize.
I'm almost positive they've nerfed the damage, but I'll check sometime soon.  The self explosion from shadow of death does hit for a lot I know.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:10 PM

Dynimight said:

Unholy:  http://www.wowhead.c...ZfMGh0fkReqocou with 2 points to spare for rage of rivendare or unholy aura, depending on your team

Frost:  http://www.wowhead.c...ZGgxzI0dMGRVost

Blood:  http://www.wowhead.c...ZfMGh0fkReqocou

Some of the specs/info in this thread already are really bad... :(

Don't you think instead of going 13 into blood, you should go 13 into unholy for dispel resist and shorter death grip CD? Talking about the frost tree.

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:36 PM

yo i leveled a dk to 73 on beta and stopped when i could make premade template 80 dk anf plyed it alot, i got very used to the class and was able to beat majority other classes and outlast holy paladins etc

http://www.worldofwa...250131023133150

that was a build i tried out for a while, you can switch blood cake for desecration cause i didnt have that when i used it, its self heals, extrea ap/crit and runic power really helped, btw i also dual wielded to be that odd guy out who did that, and i did ALOT better then those who used 2h for some reason, it did really good sustained dps, had all the utility unholy has, and you can mitigate a load of dmg while keeping yourself healed well with rune tap. this was way back in beta so i dont know how well itd be now but im sure it would still work very well

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Posted 16 November 2008 - 11:50 PM

Maplestory said:

Don't you think instead of going 13 into blood, you should go 13 into unholy for dispel resist and shorter death grip CD? Talking about the frost tree.

No I don't.  There's a ton of discussion on this subject if you look at the Death Knight crash course thread that Faction started.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 01:19 PM

This spec in blizzard DK forums i found

the person calls it "cheebo spec"

http://forums.worldo...661604021&sid=1

it seems like this will require high degree of micro/pet management, and constant monitoring of runes and runic power.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 01:46 PM

afk4lifez said:

This spec in blizzard DK forums i found

the person calls it "cheebo spec"

http://forums.worldo...661604021&sid=1

it seems like this will require high degree of micro/pet management, and constant monitoring of runes and runic power.

That spec looks absolutely terrible.

The simple fact that he skipped gargoyle should be a clear sign that he has no idea what he's doing.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 02:02 PM

well, gargoyle is pretty mediocre dps, non controllable, and has no useful abilities.

and u have to remember the fact that it costs 50 runic power to summon, and will drain your runic power to 0




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