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Posted 20 October 2008 - 09:33 PM

theres 2 classes/specs right now that can stand up to ret paladins: tree druids and mages

anything else just flops
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Posted 20 October 2008 - 09:41 PM

I am not amazing but usually I can take on a ret paladin as boomkin. Yes, even the ones with S3-4 gear, you just need to time your CC's and cooldowns... but honestly I usually pop most of what I have against them (except starfall). After they HoJ you it is usually an instand 3-4k damage, medallion the HoJ, super fast cyclone (hope they don't medallion) and pop out to Regrowth/Rejuv and back into boomkin followed by a starfall or wrath...

Usually what I do at least.
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Posted 20 October 2008 - 09:47 PM

so if they don't pvp trinket or shield you can win? ok
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Posted 20 October 2008 - 09:50 PM

Typhoon and trinket to get rid of him ?
He's 16% faster than you.

Let's say a paladin manages to get to you just one time.
HoJ -> Trinket it or you are dead
Repentance, heal up, if even needed
HoJ -> Dead
If that doesn't help just pop bubble + wings and you are dead.
You can't outrun a Paladin. You can't outmana him. And if he knows how to macro instant flash of lights on himself, you can't outdamage him.

I lose to paladins either because they smash my face or they outmana me, either way, any competent ret will not have a problem.
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#45 Nioreh

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Posted 20 October 2008 - 10:21 PM

You basically die before they have time to shout DID ANYONE ORDER SOME RET?

Sometimes
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Posted 20 October 2008 - 10:58 PM

Typhoon and trinket to get rid of him ?
He's 16% faster than you.

Let's say a paladin manages to get to you just one time.
HoJ -> Trinket it or you are dead
Repentance, heal up, if even needed
HoJ -> Dead
If that doesn't help just pop bubble + wings and you are dead.
You can't outrun a Paladin. You can't outmana him. And if he knows how to macro instant flash of lights on himself, you can't outdamage him.

I lose to paladins either because they smash my face or they outmana me, either way, any competent ret will not have a problem.

This is true, I have no clue why people keep saying balance can take ret 1 on 1, when they'll easily destroy you even in moonkin form during 1 HoJ.
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 01:31 AM

I've had t6 rets take me from 100 to 0 in a hoj when I was Barkskin / Bearform
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 01:44 AM

i faceroll boomkins /lol at the bad ret paladins that somehow lose. the only classes ret still has a problem with are mages, and maybe some extremely well played warlocks with the right spec
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 01:48 AM

Who doesn't Trinket the HoJ? You're making it sound like you're saving the Trinket for... Repentance?

When the Pally gets to you, WS Cyclone, if he Trinkets you Typhoon and you Trinket the HoJ. The only thing left is Repentance; a Bash or a 3sec Clone will get you enough time to run away and throw up some HoTs before going Moonkin again. If he Bubbles and you're not near a pillar, gg. If you are, pillarhump until he catches up to you. If he doesn't catch up within ~7 seconds, he'll have to heal otherwise you blow his face off.

People are saying that HoJ has a 20sec CD? I thought it was like 50 seconds unless you specced Prot. Gonna check the trees now.

Edit: just did the math and Rets cannot get both Divine Storm and 20sec HoJ at the same time.

Edited by Flarebrass, 21 October 2008 - 01:57 AM.

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#50 VonLego

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 01:51 AM

I have been inactive for 6 months, I played my Dad's ret pally while he was away... covered in greens...

24-2 or something rediculous in AV. #3 in KBs out of 80 players.... a FRESH 70 COVERED IN GREENS!!! I did not have a healer or anything... besides my own of course. Only two players above me were two geared ret pallies...

Players 5 under me where all ret pallies too...
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#51 Flarebrass

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 02:17 AM

Arenas and BG's are two different subjects.
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#52 Zeriel

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 02:28 AM

Yes, in BGs ret sometimes die because their team is ret + other players, whereas in arenas ret doesn't die because their team is ret + ret!
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 02:32 AM

[quote name='Flarebrass']Who doesn't Trinket the HoJ? You're making it sound like you're saving the Trinket for... Repentance?[/quote]

Who said that ? I said trinket the HoJ or you are dead.
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When the Pally gets to you, WS Cyclone, if he Trinkets you Typhoon and you Trinket the HoJ. The only thing left is Repentance; a Bash or a 3sec Clone will get you enough time to run away and throw up some HoTs before going Moonkin again. If he Bubbles and you're not near a pillar, gg. If you are, pillarhump until he catches up to you. If he doesn't catch up within ~7 seconds, he'll have to heal otherwise you blow his face off.

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1. You make it sound as if a Typhoon did anything. 5 yards ? Come on ..
2. Either he bubbles and their is no pillar. You die.
Or there is a pillar. Why the hell would a paladin ever bubble then ? You pillarhump and he has to heal because you blow his face off?
How the hell are you blowing his face off when you are pillar humping?
That's badly flawed logic.

People are saying that HoJ has a 20sec CD? I thought it was like 50 seconds unless you specced Prot. Gonna check the trees now.

Edit: just did the math and Rets cannot get both Divine Storm and 20sec HoJ at the same time.[/QUOTE]

I did say I meant Paladins that know how to play their class.

Flawed tactics are flawed.
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#54 Mickster

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 02:43 AM

if they couldn't heal as good as any other class and have infinite mana i think it would be ok
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 02:50 AM

1. You make it sound as if a Typhoon did anything. 5 yards ? Come on ..

Typhoon pushes them out of melee range for about 3-4 globals. That's a lot considering I do about 800+ DPS and spam heals when I have range.

2. Either he bubbles and their is no pillar. You die.
Or there is a pillar. Why the hell would a paladin ever bubble then ? You pillarhump and he has to heal because you blow his face off?
How the hell are you blowing his face off when you are pillar humping?
That's badly flawed logic.

If there is a pillar, I just heal back up to full and go Moonkin again. Eventually he will get low and be forced to heal or Bubble, then I continue pillarhumping for 12 seconds before the Bubble wears off and then he eats dirt because Typhoon's back up and he'll never get in range of me before he's dead.

I did say I meant Paladins that know how to play their class.

I have yet to face a good Ret. Like I said, that could be my problem.

In 2's, we just kill his partner and I blow them up through BoP, then the Ret succumbs so easily.
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 03:04 AM

at least ret would have some weakness if they went oom. But they CAN'T GO OOM.
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 03:19 AM

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Typhoon pushes them out of melee range for about 3-4 globals. That's a lot considering I do about 800+ DPS and spam heals when I have range.
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If there is a pillar, I just heal back up to full and go Moonkin again. Eventually he will get low and be forced to heal or Bubble, then I continue pillarhumping for 12 seconds before the Bubble wears off and then he eats dirt because Typhoon's back up and he'll never get in range of me before he's dead.

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I have yet to face a good Ret. Like I said, that could be my problem.


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Typhoon knocks back for 5 yards. 3-4 globals ? lol .. for a paladin running 16% faster than you .. that's not even 1 global, that's nothing

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If there is a pillar, you will run around it, wait for his HoJ to come back up and get shit on. You will delay the inevitable

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Why are we even discussing when you haven't even met a good ret yet?
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 03:21 AM

5 yard pushback is still melee range for any non-retarded melee btw.


How are you guys running from rets btw?
They always JoJ me and move 15% faster.
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 03:21 AM

i think this log accurately reflects ret pallys at the moment

http://img517.images...08221648eq1.jpg
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#60 Baneman

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Posted 21 October 2008 - 04:30 AM

Typhoon pushes them out of melee range for about 3-4 globals. That's a lot considering I do about 800+ DPS and spam heals when I have range.


lol like the poster above me said, typhoon wont do shit if a melee is already on you. they'll easily be in range to interrupt your next cast, or in the case of ret pallies finish you off from 70%.
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