Priest/Warlock -2v2- The Dominant Composition
Posted 21 August 2008 - 10:49 PM
I hold #7 in Bloodlust 2v2 at 2,322 with a 69-3-3 DC's record.
I hold #4 in Ruin 2v2 at 2,301.
I am the highest Priest/Warlock 2v2 in the world, and the only one that has REMOTELY a 80%+ win/losss ratio.
I've traditionally played Warlock/Healer since the arenas were released - which was usually a druid.
But, the beginning of this season marked the first time that I tried with a priest. The great "Burton" was my partner in crime for this killing spree.
I'm posting to finally break the secret about Priest/Warlock being THE best composition across the board vs any team in the 2v2 bracket.
It is the FAIL SAFE composition against any double DPS team minus the occasional Double Undead Rogue (which is rare).
The trick with the composition is that you do not play it like a survival match. Play it like a "hybrid" Shadowpriest/Warlock. Your priest needs to put constant pressure on with his own damage, all the while managing manaburns, fear locking and shadowword deathing CC.
The composition destroys any direct healer - Shamans/Paladins (with the exception of pve geared paladins who resist spell lock for an 9k health).
With Druid/War, it's all about surprise. Warrior gets to 60%, your priest Powerinfusions you, then you both dps (mindblast+SWD) + a silence on the druid.... the war will most likely be forced into defensive stance, leaving the druid open to be feared.
All Double DPS: Manage silences on direct damage, dispell on your priest and you win 99% ofthe time.
Priest/Rogue: Easy. Keep felhunter on rogue dispelling, dps rogue, cot+fearlock+manaburn+silence priest while your priest aids dps and it's over.
Druid/Rogue is the ONLY tough composition. It can be countered 100% of the time on BEA with mind controlling rogue off bridge. On other maps it takes full fears and multidotting with some occasional burst on rogue.
Instead of going over every single aspect vs different compositions, I am willing to answer them in the following posts.
Posted 21 August 2008 - 11:05 PM
This is at 2200+ with full S4 + some pve gear.
Edited by Thoranous, 21 August 2008 - 11:22 PM.
Posted 21 August 2008 - 11:11 PM
We get absolutely SHIT on by good hunter/druid, we also have certain problems with spriest/rogue if the spriest gets a good opening on me.
Other than that its my favorite comp, its fun and exciting games.
Formerly Laiser, The paladin.
Posted 21 August 2008 - 11:34 PM
Not exactly sure how you beat it, but it seems as if 99% of our losses are to it.
Also, I noticed your priest is partial Shadow, how is that working for you? Would you prefer Disc/Holy over it?
S3 Lock/Rogue - 2269 Duelist Lost Glad due to Counters.
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Posted 21 August 2008 - 11:39 PM
Posted 21 August 2008 - 11:41 PM
Druid/lock we have to seriously outplay for us to beat them, and dreamstate makes it even harder because we have to outburst them.
Druid/warr or druid/rogue we can win if they go on my priest and I get powerinfused, but if they sit on me, we just get whittled away. Druid max ranging or keeping priest in combat, keeping up lifeblooms.
ds/hunter was a pain because if the hunter had mana, he could deeps my pet hard, but if i'm busy keeping the hunter drained, then I can't really keep any mana pressure on the druid. Hunter slips in fd/drinks. felhunter gets dpsed anytime my druid tries to drink. If I pull out a voidwalker, they setup cc rotations using freeze trap on my druid and kill the void.
I know my priest's gear is alittle underpar but meh. I really hate fighting druid teams. vs DS druids, does your priest do any manaburning, or is it all just dispels and dps?
edit: I'm sl/sl for 2's btw, not ua . Also, how does your priest's talents into shadow work out?
Edited by Faenella, 21 August 2008 - 11:44 PM.
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 12:43 AM
Posted 22 August 2008 - 01:39 AM
The one question I have is how you manage to maintain a high level of constant wins. I'll find that smart warrior/druid teams will not allow the gib more than once, which I feel that it's almost an impossible win at that point. A smart warrior w/ that will turtles when he nears >60% hp is a brutal fight. What I've ended up doing is trying to have my priest drink, but in the end it still feels like a lackluster strategy. I was wondering how you handled recurring teams that are much more mindful of the gib.
Posted 22 August 2008 - 02:15 PM
I've found pretty similar results vs most comps, but dru/rog still boggles me. About 90% of our losses come to dru/rog, and undead rogue makes it seem unbeatable. If you have some footage fraps'd vs the decent 2200+ dru/rogues, I'd love to see it.
Posted 22 August 2008 - 11:55 PM
Posted 23 August 2008 - 07:38 PM
On BEA, stand on bridge and just fear -> MC dump rogue off side, works wonders.
On every other arena, if the rogue is on your priest you have problems. If he's on you, you win, fear + 2 target dps on rogue and druid and you'll win.
If he's on your Priest, thats where you utalize fear + have your priest pillar hump + coex to buy time for your damage to tick and them doing no damage.
Overall, this fight is actually reasonably easy if they arnt warglaived. Undead does make it a little more difficult.
Shadowpriest/Rogue is only difficult if they are both undead. Get them to box up in an area of the map, make sure fear bombs hit both, then fear priest. + hard DPS on rogue, silence / cot on Priest.
Warlock/Druid is ONLY tough if they drag the match out. To do this, they HAVE to have a void star talisman otherwise the druid is always under pressure to come heal the pet. If you have Voidstar and they dont, you sually win the match. If the tables are reversed, they do.
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 04:31 PM
Hm, your strats sound to be the same as ours. We, however, have a hard time with all those resto teams. I wonder if the shadow spec of your priest is helpful in this regard?
If he didn't make it clear enough from the OP: he's legitimately insane. He will claim whatever comp/class he's playing is "the best", and the next day use his comp or class as an excuse for losing. It's awesome.
Posted 24 August 2008 - 04:34 PM
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