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#101 Konjunktur

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 10:18 PM

Surely what you're really saying is you want an easier time to find partners.

 

Could just allow the queue system to filter via:

Max rating

Achievements, e.g. 2k last season, 2k this expansion, 2.2, 2.4, 2.7, duelist,glad etc.

Main issue with the current LFG system is:

 

A) You can't do anything while you're queued. Can't join a group - thus can't do content. This is a non-issue in PvE pretty much so #doubt it'll get "fixed".

 

B) People have inflated egos and even if there are people in LFG who are of your own mmr you won't play with them because of their experience being lower. To an extent it's fully understandable, but since you're not forced to play with people of similar MMR a lot of people you could do very well with will just get ignored.

 

C) Rage quits and demoralization. Since you're forced to find a new team by yourself with LFG and the "rage quit" mentality of LFG the prospect of having to find multiple teams / evening, especially when you're just starting out, is going to just make a lot of people go cba and not bother.

 

All of them are important issues, but (B) and © are the largest issues by far.

 

Solo Queue solves (B) and ©, at least the way I described it earlier in this thread.


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#102 Melaniatrump

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 10:40 PM

This you fucking retard is exactly the reason we want soloqueue. Because unless you are in the rank 1 community where every rank 1 player has each other add on battlenet and they find queue partners instantly, unless you are in that community, you have to face this fucking shit you just linked every single fucking day for about 1 hour each day just to play the fucking game.
I work 8 hours a day on a job I love, i sometimes meet my friends, and I usually spend 2-3 hours on wow, why the fuck would I want to queuue arena if I have to get trolled for 1 hour in LFG before I start playing? I believe most people that play Wow anymore are around the ages of 20-30 with a daily routine really close to the one I just mentioned. (Unless ofc you have spend all your school years on geting gladiator in wow and now you work 4 hours at Mcdonalds or trying to be a full time streamer)
Gain a fucking braincell and realise that unless you are in that community with the 100-200 rank 1 people that have each other add on battlenet you have to spend more time getting trolled in LFG than actually palying arena.
If you go around and ask the people with 1800-2500 rating why they dont play arena that often, 90% of them will tell you that the main reason is because its so fucking hard to find partners.
As a lot of people mentioned in this post, soloqueu people will have no chance on reaching glad leavels. Soloqueue will help them instantly queueing around 2000-2400 mmr and give them a grater chance to find real partners if they wish to push for more rating.
You already have class balance issues, you always did, and you always will.
The only way to ressurect PvP at this point is if you make a really big change, like soloqueue, if you think class balancing or rewards can save PvP at this point then you are delusional.


Solo q won't fix dick kid. It will just add another time dump for people who already pvp. People who say solo q won't murder premade 3v3 is fucking delusional as well. What percentage of people do you think arena with actual everyday teammates? Well everyone who doesn't have a set team will jump into soloq and stay there, no reason to get a team that's going to play with you for 5 games then leave if you can just spam solo q.

Find it fucking hilarious how people come up with the idea "WELL WE CAN SOLO Q THEN IF WE FIND PEOPLE WE LIKE THEN WE CAN JUMP INTO 3v3". Haha you think solo q is going to single handedly change how the community treats arena? If you find people in solo you want to q with they are going to be MORE inclined to leave after that first loss like a twat now more than ever. Why would he worry about sticking with a team when solo q is right there? Normally the only thing holding them back from leaving so soon was the fact that they don't want to be stuck in lfg. Plus whose to say they would even want to q with you? If they are 1900 in solo q why the fuck are they going to want to start fighting premades at 0 rating.

Yeah and the arguement "different rewards different rewards" WOULD be applicable if gear still mattered as a reward but it's not. Woohoo another recolored mount woohoo another recolored tabard woohoo another enchant that looks exactly like the rest of them. The one thing everyone loves in wow no matter pve or pvp is fuckin gear. Having that slight edge over another guy is why people do shit like this.
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#103 Mish

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Posted 07 September 2017 - 04:46 AM

What percentage of people do you think arena with actual everyday teammates? Well everyone who doesn't have a set team will jump into soloq and stay there, no reason to get a team that's going to play with you for 5 games then leave if you can just spam solo q.

And why is this a problem? Atleast the participation will be 5 times higher. And I think a big percentage will search for actual teammates, because they will have a big advantage queueing vs soloqueue people. Atleast they will find teammate so much easier because they already played with them on soloque.

Find it fucking hilarious how people come up with the idea "WELL WE CAN SOLO Q THEN IF WE FIND PEOPLE WE LIKE THEN WE CAN JUMP INTO 3v3". Haha you think solo q is going to single handedly change how the community treats arena? If you find people in solo you want to q with they are going to be MORE inclined to leave after that first loss like a twat now more than ever. Why would he worry about sticking with a team when solo q is right there? Normally the only thing holding them back from leaving so soon was the fact that they don't want to be stuck in lfg. Plus whose to say they would even want to q with you? If they are 1900 in solo q why the fuck are they going to want to start fighting premades at 0 rating.

Are you high? How can you say this? This is the definition of delusion. You are queueing with toxic people at any mmr in any game, you will always meet toxic people, get over it. Atleast toxic people that are also very bad at the game will stay at 1500 mmr, and the toxic people that are atleast good at the game will get to high mmr. Atleast with soloqueue you will have that "Queue again with the same team" button that you can press after each arena ends, and if you find a team that keeps pressing the button after some looses you will know they are not that toxic.

Anw the point of this post, and any post like this, is to find ideas to resurrect Wow PvP, if you think some rewards can do this then I have no reason to keep trying to reason with you. Maybe I cannot see the future to be 100% sure that soloqueue will help the game, but what I know for sure is that only a really big change can have a chance to do that. At this point the participation can not get much lower, I just want to take my chances with soloqueue and if that is the end so be it.
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Posted 07 September 2017 - 12:15 PM

And why is this a problem? Atleast the participation will be 5 times higher. And I think a big percentage will search for actual teammates, because they will have a big advantage queueing vs soloqueue people. Atleast they will find teammate so much easier because they already played with them on soloque.

Are you high? How can you say this? This is the definition of delusion. You are queueing with toxic people at any mmr in any game, you will always meet toxic people, get over it. Atleast toxic people that are also very bad at the game will stay at 1500 mmr, and the toxic people that are atleast good at the game will get to high mmr. Atleast with soloqueue you will have that "Queue again with the same team" button that you can press after each arena ends, and if you find a team that keeps pressing the button after some looses you will know they are not that toxic.

Anw the point of this post, and any post like this, is to find ideas to resurrect Wow PvP, if you think some rewards can do this then I have no reason to keep trying to reason with you. Maybe I cannot see the future to be 100% sure that soloqueue will help the game, but what I know for sure is that only a really big change can have a chance to do that. At this point the participation can not get much lower, I just want to take my chances with soloqueue and if that is the end so be it.

 

 

5x the amount of people?  Where the hell do you think these people are going to come from?  Out of nowhere?  Even though I said previously in this post that they should just go ahead and add the thing, lets not be delusional toward what solo q will do.  Like I said solo is going to only be for the people who arena already.... thats it.   No pver is going to think "OH BOY SOLO Q IM GOING TO ARENA NOW ALL THE TIME".   Not going to happen.  

 

Also are you actually suggesting there be a button for a solo q system in wow that lets you que up with the same team over and over again?  You realize that would be fucking retarded right? The point of solo q is to have different people everytime and to switch it up and to have the games be less skillful because lack of coms seeing as how you are with yourself.  Yet, your brain thinks that on top of "solo q ressing wow" it also came up with the idea "let there be a que with the same team button!".    Dude, you clearly are fucking retarded, i'm really sorry to say.


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 01:09 PM

so yea I'm glad I can play some games with people I enjoy playin with from time to time rather then playing dota on EUWEST with 4 russians

 

So if you don't have people to enjoy playing with, then too bad, you are basically screwed? Also how would soloQ affect your particular team? If they would instantly leave they might not enjoy playing together as much as you think.

 

To probe this thought further:

 

 

Normally the only thing holding them back from leaving so soon was the fact that they don't want to be stuck in lfg. Plus whose to say they would even want to q with you? If they are 1900 in solo q why the fuck are they going to want to start fighting premades at 0 rating.

 

Don't you find it very telling, that joining LFG is the only thing holding back ppl from leaving their team? Isn't this maybe yet another evidence for LFG being utterly bad?

SoloQ would be not to fix the "game", but to fix a fixable issue: playing the game instead of constant search and hope that this time, you could get people to play through losses. It would simply neglect the biased and fallible human judgement based on -most of the time- unverifiable achievements/ratings and would drop you directly into the arena.

 

Answering your question ("Plus whose to say they would even want to q with you?"): maybe they would if that's the only way to get glad titles/mounts? 
 
 

No pver is going to think "OH BOY SOLO Q IM GOING TO ARENA NOW ALL THE TIME".

 

No, probably not. But at least some of them could join and play the game on occasion and maybe -who knows?- get lucky, find people to play with. Maybe not, but it's a better bet than LFG.

 

 

One last note: 

 

I think no one argues that soloQ would suddenly fix the game and the deep issues with it (and it would definitely not bring back Mending and baseline SW:D to disc  :mad: ). It could however offer a chance to play competitively for people without the EU top50 on friend list and without 5 hours of play/day. Not just pvers but in fact many old pvpers. 

I just don't see how could you not understand this and how would soloQ ruin your gaming experience or steal your titles/team members.


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Posted 12 September 2017 - 01:57 AM

So if you don't have people to enjoy playing with, then too bad, you are basically screwed? Also how would soloQ affect your particular team? If they would instantly leave they might not enjoy playing together as much as you think.
 
To probe this thought further:
 
 

 
Don't you find it very telling, that joining LFG is the only thing holding back ppl from leaving their team? Isn't this maybe yet another evidence for LFG being utterly bad?
SoloQ would be not to fix the "game", but to fix a fixable issue: playing the game instead of constant search and hope that this time, you could get people to play through losses. It would simply neglect the biased and fallible human judgement based on -most of the time- unverifiable achievements/ratings and would drop you directly into the arena.
 
Answering your question ("Plus whose to say they would even want to q with you?"): maybe they would if that's the only way to get glad titles/mounts? 
 
 

 
No, probably not. But at least some of them could join and play the game on occasion and maybe -who knows?- get lucky, find people to play with. Maybe not, but it's a better bet than LFG.
 
 
One last note: 
 
I think no one argues that soloQ would suddenly fix the game and the deep issues with it (and it would definitely not bring back Mending and baseline SW:D to disc  :mad: ). It could however offer a chance to play competitively for people without the EU top50 on friend list and without 5 hours of play/day. Not just pvers but in fact many old pvpers. 
I just don't see how could you not understand this and how would soloQ ruin your gaming experience or steal your titles/team members.


You made very solid points to which I agree 100% with you. If these were directed toward me (just assuming) then I have to restate that I DO think they should add solo q and in fact I would probably even use it. The only reason I am saying everything above is because of all the people saying "it will save pvp" "it will bring 3v3 teams matches up" are completely wrong. The only thing I think soloq is going to fix is downtime. I believe it will hurt arena in other areas mildly but at this point arena is nothing to look forward to anyway so I think they should just add it and get it over with
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 09:13 AM

You made very solid points to which I agree 100% with you. If these were directed toward me (just assuming) then I have to restate that I DO think they should add solo q and in fact I would probably even use it. The only reason I am saying everything above is because of all the people saying "it will save pvp" "it will bring 3v3 teams matches up" are completely wrong. The only thing I think soloq is going to fix is downtime. I believe it will hurt arena in other areas mildly but at this point arena is nothing to look forward to anyway so I think they should just add it and get it over with

 

Well, they were [directed to you], partially. Most of your opinion reflected your criticism of the discussed idea, but I can see how we are in fact in agreement.  :duckers:

 

And yes, sadly, it won't save PvP. At this point I'm not sure anything would.

Now we already discussed the issues with arena/LFG thoroughly, and duels/outdoor pvp is a monstrosity since 7.0; but I didn't think battlegrounds were that bad as well. I just played some bgs in recent days and for the first time since I play the game, I seriously thought about quitting. The horror of all those fucking aoe abilities, retarded dmg spamming and braindead tunneling along with every single class moving around like they have a non-cd heroic leap makes WoD or the worst of MoP (khm Malevolent BM :hunter: ) look good and desirable.

 

I always loved BGs and RBGs (played up to HOTA-lvl) and they were on of the last thing that made me to return live PvP after I lost interest in arenas in WoD. Seems the only thing left for me is Ashran and AV.

 

Now that I'm done ranting: we need the soloQ for arena to have any kind of pvp participation. If not, this legion kind of aoe spamming and the lack of situational/utility spells will finish off the remnants of pvp for good.


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