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#1 Garrockz

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Posted 20 November 2016 - 10:50 AM

Mana Cost on PTR has been altered to 35% of basemana.

 

Im allready running out of mana faster than other healers right now with the 23% regen nerf and the 10% basemana cost on AC. How can they possibly think its a good idea to have wings drain almost half your mana every minute?

 

 


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Posted 20 November 2016 - 01:09 PM

because the talent is fuckin stupid. you basically get uninterruptible amazing heals every mins and quite some good dmg for burst attempt. why thr fuck would you even have that as holy pala is a mistery to me. however, not the worst in game: way of the crane from mw monks is far worse in its new design.
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Posted 20 November 2016 - 01:37 PM

like it better when 1-2 hpalas stood out per expac(geru-cata, elite-mop), not the ladder being filled with mew mongoloid hpalas every season


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Posted 20 November 2016 - 02:06 PM

Base mana =/= Total mana.

 

Base mana is the amount of mana you got before any specialisation and talents. For paladin, try to spec ret, and the amount of mana you got is the base mana. Right now, it's 220.000.

 

And for example : 

 

http://www.wowhead.c...0473/holy-shock - 10% of base mana : 10% of 220.000 = 22.000

http://www.wowhead.c.../flash-of-light - 18% of base mana : 18% of 220.000 = 39.600

 

35% of base mana would be a buff, because right now, Avenging Crusader costs 110.000, so, 50% of base mana.

 

Unless they change it to 50% of total mana, which would be quite stupid if they care about "talent diversity" (Not a lot of choice in the holy pvp tree to be honest), it's a buff.


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Posted 20 November 2016 - 10:50 PM

Base mana =/= Total mana.

 

Base mana is the amount of mana you got before any specialisation and talents. For paladin, try to spec ret, and the amount of mana you got is the base mana. Right now, it's 220.000.

 

And for example : 

 

http://www.wowhead.c...0473/holy-shock - 10% of base mana : 10% of 220.000 = 22.000

http://www.wowhead.c.../flash-of-light - 18% of base mana : 18% of 220.000 = 39.600

 

35% of base mana would be a buff, because right now, Avenging Crusader costs 110.000, so, 50% of base mana.

 

Unless they change it to 50% of total mana, which would be quite stupid if they care about "talent diversity" (Not a lot of choice in the holy pvp tree to be honest), it's a buff.

 

K got it, Buff wouldntve really been necessary though. The 110k allready had the effect it shouldve and didnt strike me as "too much".

 

 

because the talent is fuckin stupid. you basically get uninterruptible amazing heals every mins and quite some good dmg for burst attempt. why thr fuck would you even have that as holy pala is a mistery to me. however, not the worst in game: way of the crane from mw monks is far worse in its new design.

 

Guess because it goes more inline with the Paladin Class Fantasy aka Uther Lightbringer than a pillar hugging Hpal. It still has the obvious downsides of being more prone to CC which just makes AC not the pick of choice against some comps. And i mean the classic Hpal is still perfectly viable.

 

 

like it better when 1-2 hpalas stood out per expac(geru-cata, elite-mop), not the ladder being filled with mew mongoloid hpalas every season

 

Ha, i knew Geru. Hes german isnt he? I think he was on Aegwynn back then.

 

And ofc AC has a lower skill ceiling for somebody new to healing, yet it doesnt magically turn you into a glad player. Guess people are getting better at multiclassing and many outstanding single-class players also stopped playing.


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Posted 22 November 2016 - 03:32 AM

i hate avenging crusader, and i'm a holy paladin. probably used it like 5 times so far.

 

totally stupid talent. clusterfuck of minions/pets everywhere this expansion. everything has an absorb so in all fairness i have a HARD time getting the best damage (and healing out of it).

 

you can also get CCed / kited and you're done.  to me, it seems only good in case you're getting slow but steady damage, but i don't find it nearly as effective as normal wings.

 

i'm 99% sure i'm playing the talent totally wrong (using it at the wrong moment), but can you even outheal a druid incarnating on you 1v1 with avenging crusader, for example?

 

i was able to reach 2750ish with normal wings, but every aff lock team seems to be a wall and just ends up farming me down the ladder again..i guess that should hint something to me.  anyhow, i hope they delete the talent.

 

 

any hints tho? :(


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Posted 22 November 2016 - 08:38 AM

i hate avenging crusader, and i'm a holy paladin. probably used it like 5 times so far.

 

totally stupid talent. clusterfuck of minions/pets everywhere this expansion. everything has an absorb so in all fairness i have a HARD time getting the best damage (and healing out of it).

 

you can also get CCed / kited and you're done.  to me, it seems only good in case you're getting slow but steady damage, but i don't find it nearly as effective as normal wings.

 

i'm 99% sure i'm playing the talent totally wrong (using it at the wrong moment), but can you even outheal a druid incarnating on you 1v1 with avenging crusader, for example?

 

i was able to reach 2750ish with normal wings, but every aff lock team seems to be a wall and just ends up farming me down the ladder again..i guess that should hint something to me.  anyhow, i hope they delete the talent.

 

 

any hints tho? :(

 

Beacon of Faith + AC vs warlocks (AC on affli locks are OP). Run for your life after AC is over.
You win dampening because all other healers runs oom.
Also you should run Cleanse of the Weak


Edited by Br0ll3, 22 November 2016 - 08:38 AM.

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 12:33 AM

double beacon + cleanse of the weak = i suddenly like avenging crusader.

 

thanks lol :D


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