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#41 Wallirik

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Posted 21 October 2016 - 02:23 PM

What if I told you, you can stop it? Btw it's during his cooldowns, with dark soul etc. You dont stay in front of a frost mage standing still while he spams fb with iceform, into Glacial. (That can hit 1mill+ too)

Are you like completely clueless? Soul harvest is a 20% dmg increase, nowhere near what "dark soul" was in the past. With 0 cd's up chaos bolts will be turret spammed for 700k +/- 150k (ish) depending on mastery rng with 1.5 sec cast time.

 

Or if you know someone is gonna line you till the end of days, just go cremation shadowburn and spam instants for 200k dps with no pause.


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#42 Nicholaes92

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Posted 21 October 2016 - 04:58 PM

What if I told you, you can stop it? Btw it's during his cooldowns, with dark soul etc. You dont stay in front of a frost mage standing still while he spams fb with iceform, into Glacial. (That can hit 1mill+ too)


If you are going to display your bias at the very least make sure you have a decent arguement. Even though frost mages can hit just as hard it takes quite a bit of setup, if a destro lock is hitting for 700k normal Chaos bolts and 1mil + with CDs (spamming), let's try not to defend it saying "well you can stop him"
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#43 pewpewpewdot

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Posted 21 October 2016 - 06:14 PM

thugonomix is going to be happy i guess since he is already top US as actual destro spec 


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#44 Atosy

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Posted 21 October 2016 - 06:14 PM

I guess we'll see in 1 week.


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Posted 27 October 2016 - 09:32 AM

Ok Destro was so much fun in arena and rbg yesterday. You can burst rogues pretty fast after their lifepool-nerf.

 

Want to play so much arena right now. :D

 

 

 

Btw: CB hits often for 400-600k without soul harvest. So you shouldnt complain about "oh getting always 1 mio CB crits" -> its not true.


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Posted 27 October 2016 - 11:29 AM

I was wrong and Walle and Uegene (lol) were right. Destro is fucking broken.


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#47 ottishen

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Posted 27 October 2016 - 11:47 AM

I was wrong and Walle and Uegene (lol) were right. Destro is fucking broken.

Shadowburn or Chaos Bolt spec? Or both?


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Posted 27 October 2016 - 03:00 PM

CB spec. :)


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Posted 27 October 2016 - 03:40 PM

Just the next broken specc in Arena...
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Posted 01 November 2016 - 09:42 AM

  • (Destruction) Entrenched in Flame duration reduced to 3 seconds (was 4 seconds).
  • (Destruction) Focused Chaos now increases Chaos Bolt damage by an additional 100% (was 150%).
  • (Destruction) Shadowburn now deals 20% less damage in PvP.

Developer Notes: 7.1 introduced some new talents to Destruction Warlocks to increase their control and incentivize the use of cast time spells like Chaos Bolt. These talents were overtuned initially, but we want to keep Chaos Bolt as the best damage value for a Soul Shard.


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Posted 01 November 2016 - 12:19 PM

So what do we do now ? We gonna all play Affliction cuz it's the less bad spec ? 


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Posted 01 November 2016 - 01:22 PM

if you consider the value per playerskill you get out of each specc

 

atm its destro > demo > affli

if the destro changes are the only changes imo its destro = demo > affli after patch

 

all 3 speccs are viable imo with affli beeing the slightly hardest to achieve a good result (but still not impossible)

 

[edit]

i have not checked any other class changes

people often forget to also consider other class changes that could influence their specc of choice (that obviously totally counteracts their "boohoohoo" everything about me sucks mentality)


Edited by Smir, 01 November 2016 - 01:24 PM.

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 11:16 AM

  • (Affliction) Unstable Affliction's dispel damage has been doubled.
  • (Destruction) Chaos Bolt now deal an additional 35% damage against players (was 20%).
    • Developers’ Notes: Patch 7.1 changed the design of Unstable Affliction, and our initial tuning on the dispel damage was simply too low. For Destruction, we want spending Soul Shards on Chaos Bolt to feel rewarding when weighed against the alternatives.


So good. =)
 


Edited by DkH.ZeRa, 15 November 2016 - 11:16 AM.

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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:10 AM

Destruction 7.1.5. PTR changes: this gonna be bad.

 

 Destruction

Specialization (2)
  • spell_fire_fireball.gif Conflagrate   Triggers an explosion on the target, dealing (226.551% of Spell power) Fire damage.
    Backdraft effect
    Reduces the cast time of Incinerate and Chaos Bolt by 30% for 5 sec10 sec (thats good)
    Generates 1 Soul Shard.
    Cost changed from 2.0% of base mana to 2.0% of base chi (why do we get chi?)
  • spell_shadow_lifedrain02.gif Drain Life   Drains life from the target, causing 6 Shadow damage over 6 sec, and healing you for 600% of the damage done. (dunno how good this will be)
     
Talents (6)
  • ability_warlock_backdraft.gif Backdraft   Casting Conflagrate reduces the cast time of Incinerate and Chaos Bolt by 30% for 5 sec.your next two Incinerates or Chaos Bolts by 30%. (two instead of one = good)
  • achievement_zone_cataclysm.gif Cataclysm   Conjures a cataclysm at the target location, dealing (777% of Spell power) Shadowflame damage to all enemies within 8 yards and afflicting them with 
    Destruction (still pve shit)
    Immolate

    Now requires Level 60, up from 30
    Tier 4 Talent, in place of ability_warlock_eradication.gif Eradication (very bad! you lose 12% cb dmg! or you lose castspeed from cb because of tier 2 talent)
  • spell_fire_ragnaros_lavaboltgreen.gif Channel Demonfire   Launches 15 bolts of felfire over 3 sec at random targets afflicted by your Immolate within 40 yds. Each bolt deals (46.62% of Spell power) Fire damage to the target and (23.31% of Spell power) Fire damage to nearby enemies. (pve shit)
  • ability_warlock_eradication.gif Eradication   Chaos Bolt increases the damage you deal to the target by 12% for 6 sec.
    Now requires Level 30, down from 60
    Tier 2 Talent, in place of achievement_zone_cataclysm.gif Cataclysm 
    (very bad! you lose 12% cb dmg! or you lose castspeed from cb because of tier 2 talent)
  • warlock_grimoireofsacrifice.gif Grimoire of Sacrifice   Sacrifice your demon to gain Demonic Power, causing your spells to sometimes also deal (100%75% of Spell power) Shadow damage to the target and other enemies within 8 yds. Lasts 1 hour or until you summon a demon. (pet sac nerf. was already bad without cs and will get even worse now)
  • spell_shadow_scourgebuild.gif Shadowburn   Blasts a target for (315% of Spell power) Shadow damage. 
    Generates 2 Soul Shard1 Soul Shard, and an additional1 if the target dies within 5 sec.
    Cost changed from 1 Soul Shards to 2.0% of base mana
    Cooldown changed from None to 12 sec recharge
    Charges changed from None to 1 Charges (legion shadowburn is dead. 12 sec cd. haha. its a "finisher" again. wont finish often. nothing compared to execute)
Honor Talents (3)
  • ability_rhyolith_magmaflow_wave.gif Entrenched in Flame   Conflagrate roots targets for 43 sec. This effect does not break from damage. (nerf is already live)
  • ability_warlock_chaosbolt.gif Focused Chaos   Chaos Bolt damage is increased by 150%100%, but no longer strikes additional targets afflicted by Havoc. (nerf is already live)

 

 General

Spells (2)
  • ability_warlock_mortalcoil.gif Mortal Coil   Horrifies an enemy target into fleeing, incapacitating for 3 sec and healing you for 11%20% of maximum health. (little buff)
Talents (4)
  • NEW spell_shadow_manafeed.gif Empowered Life Tap   Life Tap increases your damage dealt by 10% for 10 sec.
    Tier 2 Talent, in place of spell_shadow_manafeed.gif Mana Tapspell_shadow_manafeed.gif Mana Tap(sound ok but its in the same tier as Eradication and Reverse Entropy and thats gonna be really bad!)
  • REMOVED spell_shadow_manafeed.gif Mana Tap   Consumes 25% of your current mana to grant 10% increased damage for 20 sec.(good remove)
  • ability_warlock_mortalcoil.gif Mortal Coil   Horrifies an enemy target into fleeing, incapacitating for 3 sec and healing you for 11%20% of maximum health.
  • spell_warlock_demonsoul.gif Soul Harvest   
    Affliction:
    Increases your damage and your pets' damage by 20%. Lasts 1015 sec, increased by 2 sec for each target afflicted by your Agony up to a maximum of 30 sec.35 sec.
    Demonology:
    Increases your damage and your pets' damage by 20%. Lasts 1015 sec, increased by 2 sec for each target afflicted by your Doom up to a maximum of 30 sec.35 sec.
    Destruction:
    Increases your damage and your pets' damage by 20%. Lasts 1015 sec, increased by 2 sec for each target afflicted by your Immolate up to a maximum of 30 sec.35 sec. (soul harvest is DISPELABLE! thats so bad! you cant play it vs all MAGES or Enhancers or Healsham or Ele. Even other warlocks can dispel it with devour magic. Also i hate relying on a 2 min cd like all the years before. Waiting for your cds to set up one great burst. I want to burst like it is right now with Eradiction and low castspeed on cb.)
Honor Talents (1)
  • warlock_spelldrain.gif Essence Drain   Whenever you heal yourself with Drain Life, the enemy target deals 10%5% reduced damage to you for 6 sec. Stacks up to 5 times. (nerf)


tldr: maybe rerolling to afflock.


Edited by DkH.ZeRa, 16 November 2016 - 10:13 AM.

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 11:44 AM

I think you can't really judge the PTR build. Many of the talent changes seem half-done. Shadowburn for example is completely useless now, even in PvE. Maybe you didn't notice, but it replaces Conflagrate now. It is basically a talent that buffs Conflag damage by like 20% and makes it generate an additional soul shard if the target dies within 5 seconds. It also does not work with the PvP talents and Artifact traits that affect Conflagrate. So this is definitely "work in progress".

 

Chaos Bolt got a damage buff again (it's already live) which weighs out the loss of Eradication. CB spec at least in the current iteration stays the same basically.

 

For Affliction it seems that they are replacing Drain Life with Drain Soul. Hard to say if DS will do the same damage/healing that DL did before or if it will be different. While the new PvP talents seem interesting they are not strong enough to compete with Rot and Decay imo. Essence Drain is a nerf to survivability, especially for Affliction which uses it the most.


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Posted 25 November 2016 - 09:09 AM

Two minor ptr buffs:

 

 Destruction

Honor Talents (2)
  • Fel Fissure : Chaos Bolt creates an eruption of Felfire under the target, dealing Shadow damage every 1 sec and reducing all healing received by 50% for 10 15sec sec to all enemies within 5 yards of the initial target.
     
  • Firestone : Restores 2 Soul Shards and increases your spell critical strike chance by 100% for 7 sec.
    Cooldown changed from 45 sec cooldown to 25 sec cooldown

Edited by DkH.ZeRa, 25 November 2016 - 09:09 AM.

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