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Posted 24 September 2016 - 09:22 AM

After the hotfixes, Bloodlet will be like a 30k bleed on players -if- you crit both glaives.

 

Basically useless for arena I'd say.


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 11:30 AM

thanks for doing a guide like this, it is greatly appreciated by a lot of people.

Absolutely my pleasure! Glad you like it :)

 

After the hotfixes, Bloodlet will be like a 30k bleed on players -if- you crit both glaives.

 

Basically useless for arena I'd say.

Completely agree, Felblade will take a nice slot I believe, will be testing it tomorrow in arena. This also means that Master of the Glaive might move back and let Unleashed Power take a nice place for lower CD stun, however, chaos novaing a healer -> metamorphosis back on melee cleaves and connect that with another chaos nova is honestly not a bad thing either. However, that only grants you 1 Chaos Nova reset per 4 min whilst the CD reduction puts Chaos Nova on a 40 sec rotation instead.

 


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 02:22 PM

After the hotfixes, Bloodlet will be like a 30k bleed on players -if- you crit both glaives.

 

Basically useless for arena I'd say.

 

First Blood and Bloodlet have the same single target dps pre-hotfix if you werent using Master of the Glaive

 

I think the biggest loss from the Bloodlet nerf will be the slow from Master of the Glaive, since there is no reason to take it if you aren't playing bloodlet

 

But Blade Dance with First Blood actually does huge damage if you use it with Momentum up.


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 03:45 PM

@Tornadotom:
Problem without the slow is being able to stick to targets where Felblade will sort these issues, specially when the target is running around pillars where you can FR/VR into a FB to be on the target directly.
Also, FB does a bit more damage than Demon't Bite and will also generate Fury which is generally a better DPS output. 

Personally I think lower CD on Chaos Nova will be the way to go with the MotG tier. 

Testing will be done tomorrow during the day (EU time).


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 07:11 PM

In all honesty I think that playing without MotG isn't possible at all. 
DH is squishy beyond reason and has questionable defensives and low peels, without MotG you can't peel for yourself at all.


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 07:15 PM

In all honesty I think that playing without MotG isn't possible at all. 
DH is squishy beyond reason and has questionable defensives and low peels, without MotG you can't peel for yourself at all.

There are ways to sort that without MotG.
If you play in a Melee Cleave it's gonna be you or the healer getting the dicks to your faces. However, if in a team such as DH + <healer> + Warlock/SP/Elesham/Mage/Balance druid most setups will not focus you that much as it would grant your team too much firepower during the time they'd be training you. It's sort of like rogues, when rogue has used trinket and/or cloak they are fairly easy to kill.

My biggest concern right now is single target DPS in PvP & PvE. But for the sake of this guide I will focus 100% on PvP in here.


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 08:20 PM

In all honesty I think that playing without MotG isn't possible at all. 
DH is squishy beyond reason and has questionable defensives and low peels, without MotG you can't peel for yourself at all.

This. kiting with MotG is pretty much the only way demon hunters can survive against all the melee cleaves out there

 

Its kind of sad that the only talents we have that give us slows are MoTG and the Eye Beam pvp talent., its gonna be pretty hard getting a artifact power to do full damage on a non stunned target now


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 08:41 PM

@Tornadotom:
The Fury vs non stuned targets will be a pure bitch to deal with indeed :/

I'm looking forward to seeing the final class tuning.
Got about 12h left before I start testing everything in arena to report back with proper experience.


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Posted 24 September 2016 - 11:21 PM

My biggest concern right now is single target DPS in PvP & PvE. But for the sake of this guide I will focus 100% on PvP in here.

 

I was pulling 1.5million dps on AoE segments of bossfights in ilvl845 and 200k+ single target and that was without using the momentum talent or enchants. I don't think the bloodlet nerf will affect our single target so much that it'll make Havoc unviable (it's maybe a 13k dps loss if you continue playing with bloodlet, and the other talents are about on par with that I'm assuming. Bloodlet is probably still superior), and the AoE nerfs won't change that much either. We still have a pretty good raid cooldown and we can deal with big mechanics entirely on our own if desired by taking the 5s immunity.


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 02:39 AM

Darkness isn't that great for a raid cooldown to be honest. 20% added avoidance isn't going to do much given its rng nature.

 

Nerfs are still in discussion tho, which gives some margin of hope

https://twitter.com/...1838465?lang=en


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 07:36 AM

Yeah I just read the twitter post. DH + Shadow are my current 3v3 setup so I'm looking forward to seeing the final changes. I'll hold on to updating the guide till the final changes are made.

PvE wise I do like the use of Felblade :)


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 08:16 AM

Yeah I just read the twitter post. DH + Shadow are my current 3v3 setup so I'm looking forward to seeing the final changes. I'll hold on to updating the guide till the final changes are made.

PvE wise I do like the use of Felblade :)

I feel like felblade is a wasted global in pve, it does less damage than every other damaging ability we have except for Demon's Bite

 

I only see it being a good choice in PvE if it gave Momentum procs


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 02:00 PM

If Felblade gave momentum it would be insane. We'd have almost permanent uptime on the buff and outdps everything.


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 02:04 PM

If Felblade gave momentum it would be insane. We'd have almost permanent uptime on the buff and outdps everything.


This :P


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 08:48 PM

Right now, I feel that melee cleave is the only way to go as a DH, WMS is stronger than with a DH so we'll see the final class tuning notes before making any updates or changes to the guide.


 


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Posted 25 September 2016 - 10:34 PM

I can see DH/Demo lock/x being one of our top comps, stunning 1 or 2 people in that demo lock felguard area shit and dropping fury of the illidari on them is pretty much guaranteed death, probably even if they trinket the stun.


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 11:03 AM

I can see DH/Demo lock/x being one of our top comps, stunning 1 or 2 people in that demo lock felguard area shit and dropping fury of the illidari on them is pretty much guaranteed death, probably even if they trinket the stun.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 11:28 AM

Well.... Will take you about 5hours of clicking "next page" on the 3v3 ladder Before you see any warlocks... I doubt DH who barely exists in the top ladder atm would work well with a Warlock right now :P


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 01:07 PM

Well.... Will take you about 5hours of clicking "next page" on the 3v3 ladder Before you see any warlocks... I doubt DH who barely exists in the top ladder atm would work well with a Warlock right now :P

warlocks will be back to being gods of arena if the latest hotfixes go through


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 01:18 PM

@Tornadotom:

Potentially, we'll see :)
I wouldn't mind trying DH/Lock/Rsham after hotfix that's for sure, but question is, will it be enough? Will it be better than a Warlock/Warrior/healer setup? Cause if not then we might as well go with DH/War/Healer and start cleaving... :/


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