I am 100% serious in my support for Nigel Farage and UKIP. And the destruction of EU can't happen sooner for the PIGS countries impoverished by disastrous EU policies. The European Union should have never extended beyond France, Germany, and the Low Countries. It should have never evolved beyond the Maastricht Treaty. And it should have never been allowed to be unaccountable to the people.
I'm speechless. I don't oppose your support for Trump, because I know Trump has a program beyond populism. I think Trump's fiscal politics are better than Hilary's, I have a feeling he might
be able to change the bigger picture in Washington, though it is highly unlikely. In short: I get it.
Now Farage on the other hand is a completely different horse.
Farage is a bottomfeeder, a parasite of the worst kind. How can you respect someone like this?
'Why are you still here?' asks EU's Juncker amid barrage of Nigel Farage
The European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, has clashed bitterly with Nigel Farage, pointedly asking the Ukip leader in front of the European parliament in Brussels: “Why are you still here?”
“When I came here 17 years ago and said I wanted to lead a campaign to get Britain to leave the European Union you all laughed at me. Well, I have to say, you’re not laughing now are you?” he taunted.
“And the reason you’re so upset, the reason you’re so angry, has been perfectly clear from all the angry exchanges this morning. You, as a political project, are in denial. You are in denial that your currency is failing,” Farage said.
Despite urging a “grown-up” conversation between the EU and Britain, Farage continued in a similarly mocking vein throughout his monologue, at one point telling MEPs: “Virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives.”
After BREXIT hundreds of Londoners reported violence against immigrants, or "perceived" immigrants:http://www.independe...n-a7104191.html
Britain is one of the countries crying the loudest about immigration, yet even though a member of the EU they blatantly ignored the refugee crisis. If anything Germans, Austrians, Swedes, Swiss, Norwegians, Danes and essentially every other country bar Poland and the Ukraine should be complaining, but they aren't. You know why? Because immigration isn't the reason why those countries are doing bad. It certainly isn't the reason why Britain is doing bad.
The exact opposite is true. A lot of elite businessmen, scholars, uni graduates et cetera from European countries are coming to London every day because they used to be able to work there without a visa. London has an incredible amount of young talent, which is what made it one of the most successful financial capitals in the entire world.
And you want to know what the dumbest thing is? Leaving the EU will only worsen the problem of illegal
immigration. Europe is planning to invest millions of € in the next few years for stricter border controls, more personnel and more administration for faster deportations. Britain will see none of that. Voting for BREXIT because of immigration is insane. It does not compute.
Exactly! Remember this comment that you made?
Leaving the European Union has nothing to do with leaving NATO, abandoning all intentions of trading, completely closing off borders, etc. This is why I don't understand where your fear of British isolationism comes from. How is asserting national sovereignty "isolationism"? Advocating for self-interest doesn't mean that mutually beneficial agreements can't be made with the consent of both parties.
It's not about leaving the NATO or not, you interpreted my post in the wrong way. The point I was making is that a weak Europe, or I should say an even weaker
Europe, will not stand united, will not support each other, will give in to aggressors and has a much worse basis for negotiations.
Power is not exclusively military power or exclusively contracts, treaties and diplomacy.
Boris Johnson might be a different story. I don't particularly know him or like him. But a UKIP-lead United Kingdom, with Nigel Farage as PM, would certainly not be isolationist under the policies that Nigel Farage has advocated for decades.
I have just read their party program in detail and it seems we have different definitions of isolationist, because UKIP if described with three words is this: populist, traditionalist, isolationist.
Everything in the program focuses on "us first, them later". There even is concrete mention of shutting Britain off (in terms of immigration) and actually reducing tourism (eg phenomenons like health tourism)
States will no longer be able to field their own armies, decide their own fiscal policy, decide their own foreign policy, adopt their own national bank, etc. Terrifying document, especially given that the current structure of the European Union political system has little or no accountability to the people of Europe.
I have read those articles prior and I would have liked had you tackled this topic in your own words, but that's okay. I don't think any of this will happen, not in the near future and not ever. Especially not in the current climate in the EU.
Most politicians in Brussels have realized that essentially every country that isn't Germany, France or the Benelux states wants less EU, not more EU
Those politicians are scared shitless and will be doing anything in their power in order to stop referendums in countries where they could possibly succeed: Spain, the Netherlands...
Right now politicians all over Europe are working out how to reduce bureaucracy, how to restore the faith in this institution called the EU. Pulling through with this crazy idea would be nothing short of suicide. I really do hope you realize that and are not easily swayed by the media.
My comment was referring to European Union's response to Brexit.
You will have to elaborate on this. There was no consensus. The only demand that Germany made for example was that Cameron would deliver a plan of the exit as soon as possible so that it is final. The reason why they were so eager is because they want to gain back stability after what happened to the pound.
Remember when President Obama threatened to move the United Kingdom to the "back of the queue", despite their century-long alliance? Are you paying attention to the harsh terms that the European Commission wants to impose on the United Kingdom for leaving, despite the possible negative effects on native German industries?
What are those "harsh terms" and why are they too harsh in your opinion? What would be possible negative effects on the German economy?
The European Union will begin to crumble if they don't impose harsh terms on the United Kingdom for leaving, which proves that it never had the interests of the British people, or really, the European people, at heart.
I will not defend the fiscal politics of the European union, because I do not fully agree with them and never have. However, you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the European Unions first and foremost priority is.
It is not the European economy, it is keeping the peace in mainland Europe. And they have done a damn good job keeping it for the last 70 years. That is the reason why we desperately need the EU in times of crisis.
"Special treatment"? You mean, special treatment for the financial industry by retaining the pound, right?
I did not mean that, no. I was referring to the fact that GB was paying less relative to the other members in terms of dues. Of course they still payed a lot, they are one of Europes strongest economies after all.
I suppose retaining the pound is special treatment aswell, but there are other countries that kept their currency and they never asked for special treatment beyond that.
I'm sure the UK fishing industry didn't enjoy "special treatment" when they were denied access to their own fishing waters, so other EU countries could fish them.
Your point is moot. The reason why they were denied access is because they didn't obey EU regulations in the first place. They were overfishing the waters, which can cause great harm in the long time. Fish is not an indefinite resource.
Furthermore BREXIT will not even help with this issue: https://www.theguard...greater-catches
I'm sure the average working-class British worker didn't enjoy "special treatment" when their wages were pushed down thanks to unchecked immigration.
I suppose I answered this earlier with my rant on immigration, but if you want I can answer this point specifically.
The working-class voters of the United Kingdom voted in their self-interest. Even British-minority districts, like Luton, voted overwhelmingly to remain. Many Remainers could do nothing to support their position except ruin the meaning of words like "racism", "xenophobia", etc.
This is simply untrue and you are being in denial. You cannot honestly think there is not one
upside to remaining in the EU.
And nothing offered by the European Union is irreplaceable by a half-decent transition to independence, given the fact that the United Kingdom contributed more to the European Union than it received.
I respectfully disagree.
Already, the the stock markets are beginning to recover after the undeserved panic created by the upset, thanks to all of the bets hedged for Remain. The sky isn't falling. The world isn't about to end. And I think that the world will be better off with Brexit.
I really do hope so, Britain lying down on the ground and then being kicked is not in my interest. I want Britain to remain strong, even now that it separated from the EU.
It's a joke. I don't actually have an altar. It would be nice, though.
I was not talking about the altar, but rather your sympathy for Farage.