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#21 Thaya

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 09:05 PM

also trump > hillary
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 09:49 PM

also trump > hillary


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 10:01 PM

honestly all the fucking memeing isn't really funny to me anymore. trump isn't a meme, he's a legit contender and has good chances to win. farage isn't a meme, without him i'm certain brexit wouldn't have happened or if it did remain would have won the vote.


Nigel Farage is the fucking man, I agree. Not a lot of politicians like him around. Could use more people like him.

It's time to add a portrait of him to the common sense conservative altar in my home. Do you think he should go on the left, or right, side of Donald Trump?

world politics is all funny n shit until putin comes along and annexes your homeland while isolationist nation states just sit by and watch you get purged.


Because leaving EU = leaving NATO, right? Come on, that's crazy hyperbole. Nobody is advocating isolationism. People are fighting against a system designed to crush any resistance on the slow, but steady, path to the European superstate. I guarantee that both Britain and the United States will profit off of a trade deal within six months of a Conservative/UKIP coalition entering office, especially if Donald Trump becomes president. And if the European Union was more concerned with the interests of all Europeans instead of punishing ex member states, then they would follow suit, too.

The British people never got a chance to vote for the Maastricht Treaty to join the EU. They got more than what they bargained for when they joined the EEC in 1973. What we saw on June 23rd was the original voters of the EEC going out in droves to rectify their past mistakes.

And you know who's crying about this the most? The millennials who didn't even bother to show up to vote because of the rain. Like the traditional parent-child relationship, the parents will be doing what's right for the kids, even if they have to pull them out of the EU kicking and screaming.
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 10:04 PM

It's not a solution to the massive immigration. People will still come, and you still have to deal with them. This system only changes -how- you deal with them.


And this allows the United Kingdom to adopt their own approach instead of falling in line with the European bureaucrats who couldn't be bothered to vet the people in the first place.

And when a huge amount of (economical) fugitives don't even enter the countries they migrate to legally, this doesn't even change anything.

You need manpower to deal with the problem, and the EU was working on setting that up. I'm seriously doubtful of Britain looking to solve it on their own.


You don't need a draft + mobilization to handle immigration. Not when you have the English Channel, it doesn't.

The United Kingdom still has an economy larger than Russia, despite having less than half the people, and everybody is acting as if it cannot function without being propped... err... propping up the rest of the European Union.
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 10:11 PM

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le socialism meme

except somehow the current leftist coalition has become aligned with the corporate interests. see Common Core, illegal immigration, refugee importation, promoting TPP (or fighting Donald Trump after Bernie Sanders drops out), etc.

you want to know how to fight capitalism in its current form? Vote Republican (but vote out current GOP leaders in the primaries). Vote Donald Trump for president.
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 10:44 PM

The Pound has dropped steeply, but it will go back up by a bit once people realise nothing will really change in the long run. Some money to be made there I'd wager.


Glad to hear that because I'll be studying japanese in cardiff uni next september, should I change my €uros to pounds right now ? :wub:
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 10:44 PM

pretty strange that you call democrat policies leftist when they are a right wing party

honestly that post reeks of someone who thinks bernie sanders is a socialist and that socialism and leftist policies are just high taxes or are even related at all to taxes

but yeah, vote for literal private business owners to overthrow the system of private business ownership
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 10:52 PM

pretty strange that you call democrat policies leftist when they are a right wing party


The blue dog Democrats have been purged from the party since Obama took office. The Democrat Party appeals to the center-left while implementing the policies of the corporatists who fund them. Thanks for the lack of nuance, though.

honestly that post reeks of someone who thinks bernie sanders is a socialist and that socialism and leftist policies are just high taxes or are even related at all to taxes


Great, you haven't even made an attempt at a rebuttal. Bernie Sanders is a socialist, with sympathies for self-identified socialist countries, who has resorted to social democrat policies out of practicality. Happy?

but yeah, vote for literal private business owners to overthrow the system of private business ownership


There's nothing wrong with private business ownership when there is enough participation of the people in government. Get a job.
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 10:59 PM

The blue dog Democrats have been purged from the party since Obama took office. The Democrat Party appeals to the center-left while implementing the policies of the corporatists who fund them. Thanks for the lack of nuance, though.


fully right wing

Bernie Sanders is a socialist who has resorted to social democrat policies out of practicality. But thanks for the assumptions.


i guess he made that switch around the age of 5 because i don't remember him ever even mentioning anything about workers owning the means of production, plus he is an imperialist

There's nothing wrong with private business ownership when there is enough participation of the people in government. Get a job.


i have a job, that's why i don't want my surplus value stolen

more concerned with the surplus value of sweatshop workers who are creating $100 goods and receiving $2 for it

but i guess there is nothing wrong with coercive slavery?
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 11:15 PM

fully right wing


and thus we have lost the ability to describe different political forces in liberal democracies

i guess he made that switch around the age of 5 because i don't remember him ever even mentioning anything about workers owning the means of production, plus he is an imperialist


More like around the age of 40. Remember, you're talking about the same guy who 1) praised breadlines in self-identified socialist countries; 2) graduated from a left-wing university; 3) participated in communes; 4) honeymooned in the Soviet Union; and 5) hung a Soviet flag in his office.

And since when is Bernie Sanders an imperialist? Lmao. First "right wing" loses all meaning, now "imperialist" too.


i have a job, that's why i don't want my surplus value stolen

more concerned with the surplus value of sweatshop workers who are creating $100 goods and receiving $2 for it

but i guess there is nothing wrong with coercive slavery?


You're not losing any surplus value. You were never entitled to it thanks to contractual obligations and property rights, which all Americans are entitled to. Run your own business. Take advantage of your own capital. There's a reason why the theory of surplus value has failed to make accurate predictions in economic models: it's a fantastical understanding of the ownership of resources.

Donald Trump is about to throw a wrench into the neoliberal agenda, the forces who have created an economic system where, thanks to inflation and offshoring, durables are relatively cheap while everyday goods are relatively expensive, robbing the American family of the ability to save money in order to acquire capital.

If you want wage slavery to end, the influence of corporations curbed, offshoring to overseas sweatshops halted, and economic free agency restored, then Donald Trump is your man.

If you want a communist revolution one day... well I'd advise against a revolution, given their track record. Maybe Salvador Allende could serve as a model: democratic transition to worker-owned means of production.

Anyway, you'll never have it without a restoration of democracy, because you'll need all the free speech you can get if you want to combat the current corporatist-liberal trends in the United States. Once again, Donald Trump is your strategic, long-term vote.
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 11:27 PM

lmao fucking liberals

don't complain that slaves still exist when u can just be a slave owner!!!!!!!!!!!!! classic alt right

imagine actually being a worker and supporting a system where you inherently cannot be paid for the value you produce

used to think i hated myself but it still never got to be that much lol
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 11:30 PM

reminder of the ideology that overthrew the democratically elected allende and instilled fascist pinochet, and also instigated the 1954 guatemalan coup
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 11:34 PM

i mean i honestly can't imagine how much i'd have to hate myself to support this shit

these people are like on their knees begging to have the product of their labor taken, have some self respect...this shit is embarrassing

just want people to love & empower themselves is all i guess
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 11:36 PM

lmao fucking liberals

don't complain that slaves still exist when u can just be a slave owner!!!!!!!!!!!!! classic alt right


I'm not alt-right you goober.

But of course, the modern privileged leftist compares present-day economic and social opportunity, unparalleled throughout history, to a time where slaves could be executed for learning to read. Have a good cry.

imagine actually being a worker and supporting a system where you inherently cannot be paid for the value you produce


You get paid for your importance to contributing to the development of the product. Not the full surplus value of the resources.

used to think i hated myself but it still never got to be that much lol


Looks like your /r/fullcommunism crap fell apart with the first firm rebuttal. Contribute something to the discussion instead of regurgitating memes.
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 11:36 PM

reminder of the ideology that overthrew the democratically elected allende and instilled fascist pinochet, and also instigated the 1954 guatemalan coup


There was no ideology responsible. PEOPLE were responsible. Corporatists, acting in cynical self-interest, with control of the US government, were responsible. Want to know how to fight it? Take back the government.
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 11:40 PM

i mean i honestly can't imagine how much i'd have to hate myself to support this shit

these people are like on their knees begging to have the product of their labor taken, have some self respect...this shit is embarrassing

just want people to love & empower themselves is all i guess


Usually, the most empowered people are the ones who know they can offer a product, service, or skill. Take advantage of your talents and create mutually beneficial situations. Guess what kinds of people they turn out to be? Conservatives.

The socialists, from personal experience, seem to be the most self-loathing types of people because of their beliefs that they have no power to change their environment. The last socialist I remember who contributed to society was George Orwell, and he certainly began to disavow the socialist movements of his time once he recognized their ruinous policies.

Want to empower yourself? Take care of yourself. Learn to negotiate and receive the compensation you deserve. Run a business and offer things that other people want.
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 11:46 PM

there was no firm rebuttal, you don't think you deserve the product of your labor bc you hate yourself or plan to be an owner

and of course i'm privileged, i don't like my surplus value stolen but like i said i'm much more concerned with those who will still die if they don't work for almost no money

guy over here is looking at that carrot on a stick thinking exploitation is only temporarily embarrassing because he'll one day become the exploiter. sad to think people support the concept of working their lives away to make other people money
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Posted 28 June 2016 - 11:55 PM

there was no firm rebuttal, you don't think you deserve the product of your labor bc you hate yourself or plan to be an owner

and of course i'm privileged, i don't like my surplus value stolen but like i said i'm much more concerned with those who will still die if they don't work for almost no money

guy over here is looking at that carrot on a stick thinking exploitation is only temporarily embarrassing because he'll one day become the exploiter. sad to think people support the concept of working their lives away to make other people money


Congratulations. You have killed another thread with more vapid virtue-signalling. Dude. We get it. You vape and want to seize the means of production for the workers. You've been saying the same shit for months. Get on with your life.

Instead of resorting to psychoanalysis, how about you respond with something meaningful and relevant? Are you even capable of discussing policy?

You took a discussion of world politics and turned it into a half-baked Marxist analysis. Is this the thought process of a mentally ill person?

You don't even know how to have a discussion, I bet. /r/fullcommunism does that to you.
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Posted 29 June 2016 - 12:01 AM

i posted a picture about how the candidates are the same thing and you thought it'd be a good response to suck trump's dick lmao. fuck it's so embarrassing to glorify a candidate in this political climate

i don't mind killing threads on aj but i do mind people supporting policies that kill workers through exploitation :(

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Posted 29 June 2016 - 12:05 AM

i normally don't even talk to duelists so u should consider this a special day honestly
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