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#1 Reliuna

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Posted 14 April 2016 - 04:49 PM


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Posted 14 April 2016 - 06:06 PM

That was pretty well put
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Posted 14 April 2016 - 07:56 PM

Also fun fact: today I cut all connection to my little brother because of him being an islamist-apologist.

one of the reasons I felt like watching through the vid again.

Edited by Reliuna, 14 April 2016 - 07:57 PM.

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Posted 14 April 2016 - 09:44 PM

i was hoping she'd actually answer the 'how do you fight an ideology' question

especially since she went out her way to bring historic examples, which all solved the issue in the same way

killing everyone who believes in it

ww2 is a prime example
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Posted 14 April 2016 - 09:47 PM

this is an embarrassement. the comparison to Germany was even worse. matter of fact all the comparisons fail since she was talking about ideological groups, not religious ones. the ideology proposed by the islamic state is to be seperated from the general belief system of a muslim. as for germany, it wasn't just SS and SA members looting jewish stores. everyone tried to get the best of it, everyone tried to bring some kind of profit to himself. every single German who didn't (passively or actively) opposed the regime (there were lots of ways how people fought back) indirectly supported it. they are at fault. we are talking about nine out of ten people here. it is not a comparison. the peaceful majority has never been irrelevant, the opposite is the case. they are involved.

as for islam, it is a completely different scenario. we have groups like the peshmerga actively fighting a war against the islamic state. they are being held down by turkey, but europe is trembling in fear because turkey is important to solve the refugee situation. they're mortified, petrified. we have an obligation to act if we want to criticize. there are groups like east-asian muslims where radicals are practically nonexistant. there's sufis who are essentially non-violent. there are.......

islam has always been a personal religion, not an organized religion like christianity. now we have salafi groups who are being sponsored by the uae, paid to spread extremist ideology. while christianity has been building communities for centuries, islam has only started recently. there are barely any people spreading the word about secular islam. there are barely any people spreading the word about a modern, liberal, middle- and northern european islam. it exists. some muslims eat pork. some muslims don't wear a burka and don't make their wives wear a burka. if anything, we have to tackle the source of the problem. but the western world won't do that, because uae has so much precious oil. germany has been delivering weapons to the uae for fucking decades, guess what those were used for?

the goal of said salafi groups is to win over newcomers (ie: refugees) who generally have a worldview that is more comparable to that of a european (which is why they fled in the first place) than it is to that of a salafi extremist. when we are talking about muslim extremism we are referring almost exclusively to a minority of salafi arabs. the only reason why they got so powerful in the first place is because they benefited hugely from the destabilization (thanks fucking burgerland) and the knowledge & weaponry (thanks again fucking burgerland) brought to them in over thirty years of conflict. they benefit from a strong israel and a weak palestine, actively producing propaganda and creating a new scapegoat: the western world and jews. this is a problem we've brought upon us. muslims and jews have been living (mostly) peaceful for centuries and great britain had to fuck it all up with the treaties surrounding the birth of the state of israel.

it is exactly like the ugly burka girl said, you stupid niggers need to read a fucking book. islam is not homogenous in any way. the speaker is a worthless populist, everything she says has absolutely no substance and is nothing but big words to fire up the crowd. her pityful attempt at swooning over the americans talking about "4 dead" at the end makes me sick. she doesn't even offer a fucking solution. what is even remotely interesting about what she has to say? she acknowledges that there are extremists, but doesn't tell us how to deal with them.

why didn't america (or the western world in general) support the fucking kurds more? why are we batting an eye when russia is actively defending their interests in the syria conflict? those are real fucking issues we could be a part of, that is some positive change we could help bring along. but you people would rather bask in your supposed moral superiority, jerking off in a corner. if the extremists are all that matter then please go ahead and propose a fucking solution as to how to deal with them.

(you blow, reliuna.)

i was hoping she'd actually answer the 'how do you fight an ideology' question

especially since she went out her way to bring historic examples, which all solved the issue in the same way

killing everyone who believes in it

ww2 is a prime example


i don't know what exactly you are trying to say, but if you're saying that "killing half of germany's population solved the problem" then you're being ignorant.

after ww2 all nazi politicians with the exception of the highest officials just continued on with their posts. they were still in power. people were still clinging on to the ideology, just silently. it took germany more than 20 years (think the mid 1960s, the first time real change was happening) to get rid of that infection. change doesn't happen overnight. in the case of germany it took student protests and a german terrorist group actively killing off politicians that made career under hitler to even start a change in thinking. most people don't know about that, then again most people don't know anything about the history past 45 anyway.

if you were being ironic, just ignore my post i suppose.

Also fun fact: today I cut all connection to my little brother because of him being an islamist-apologist.

one of the reasons I felt like watching through the vid again.


great fucking job, i'm sure your family is proud of you. you're an embarrassment.
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#6 Thaya

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Posted 14 April 2016 - 09:49 PM

i honestly can't even summerize what she was talking about for 4 minutes

like it literally took her 4 mins to say "yeah we're only talking about the radicals"

and then everyone is like clapping and shit

she didn't even answer the direct question that was asked

wtf?
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Posted 14 April 2016 - 10:01 PM

i don't know what exactly you are trying to say, but if you're saying that "killing half of germany's population solved the problem" then you're being ignorant.

after ww2 all nazi politicians with the exception of the highest officials just continued on with their posts. they were still in power. people were still clinging on to the ideology, just silently. it took germany more than 20 years (think the mid 1960s, the first time real change was happening) to get rid of that infection. change doesn't happen overnight. in the case of germany it took student protests and a german terrorist group actively killing off politicians that made career under hitler to even start a change in thinking. most people don't know about that, then again most people don't know anything about the history past 45 anyway.

if you were being ironic, just ignore my post i suppose.

just pointing out that she is leading to a very certain point and then just doesn't actually say it

there is irony in that she follows this up with "i think its time to put political correctness in the trash" tho

like actually

it made me go all "bitch you just pussied out and then you make this call? really?"
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Posted 14 April 2016 - 10:05 PM

that's essentially what i'm saying in the last paragraph, i guess we're on the same page then ツ

the speaker is being so fucking passive aggressive during the entire talk, you can just feel how the muslim girls question made her really uncomfortable because she didn't have an answer at all

(or, if you are right about her intentions, she's just too scared to say publicly that genocide is the only logical conclusion)
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#9 Thaya

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Posted 14 April 2016 - 10:19 PM

i do also think that the only way to deal with extremists is to fuck their shit up though

when there's a big group of people that are actively working towards a goal of killing you and everyone you know, killing them first is just self defense

sure, the core/root problem is elsewhere, but we can move on to solving those issues when these 'violent ideologies' don't have actual power (bad wording but im lazy). until then, making more muslims promote peaceful islam will have no benefit, because ISIS exists in the form it does right now and they don't really give a single fuck about any such movements

some people just can't be saved at this point. those who live and breathe jihadism, there's really nothing you can say or do that will suddenly make them realize 'oh shit i was wrong, sorry'

the only way is to strip them of power, and that actually just means killing till these organizations aren't really organizations anymore

what you describe about germany is this exact process as well. the changes in thinking only started after the regime lost all of its power. even after an official fall of nazi germany the killing had to continue to completely dissolve the 'plague' (i admit i don't know shit about after 45 tho)

i just mean, do you think these change of thinking processes/movements would even exist (let alone have an effect) if not the fall and the murders? im leaning towards 'no'. i hate to be a supporter of murder and war but in this case i just don't see any other solutions. this shit has been going on for decades (locally in various places or on a smaller but global scale), yet extremist islam has only been becoming more and more of a problem. we're now at a point where it's a big global problem. obviously whatever methods we used up until now weren't effective enough
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Posted 14 April 2016 - 10:26 PM

We should at least stop pretending these backwards arab countries are ready for democracy. They just elect terrorists.
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Posted 14 April 2016 - 10:29 PM

yeah it's about time you stop pretending
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Posted 14 April 2016 - 10:31 PM

but why?
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Posted 14 April 2016 - 10:32 PM

We should at least stop pretending these backwards arab countries are ready for democracy. They just elect terrorists.


what countries are you referring to?

i do also think that the only way to deal with extremists is to fuck their shit up though

when there's a big group of people that are actively working towards a goal of killing you and everyone you know, killing them first is just self defense

sure, the core/root problem is elsewhere, but we can move on to solving those issues when these 'violent ideologies' don't have actual power (bad wording but im lazy). until then, making more muslims promote peaceful islam will have no benefit, because ISIS exists in the form it does right now and they don't really give a single fuck about any such movements

some people just can't be saved at this point. those who live and breathe jihadism, there's really nothing you can say or do that will suddenly make them realize 'oh shit i was wrong, sorry'

the only way is to strip them of power, and that actually just means killing till these organizations aren't really organizations anymore

what you describe about germany is this exact process as well. the changes in thinking only started after the regime lost all of its power. even after an official fall of nazi germany the killing had to continue to completely dissolve the 'plague' (i admit i don't know shit about after 45 tho)


the question is not whether to violently engage them or not, the question is how to violently engage them. i've given my personal solution, so far no one else has-
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Posted 14 April 2016 - 10:42 PM

just fuck their shit up
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#15 Thaya

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Posted 14 April 2016 - 10:42 PM

(on a serious note i don't know, 2deep4me i guess im outta here)
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Posted 14 April 2016 - 11:06 PM

this fucking picture wont post.

Edited by Lloix, 14 April 2016 - 11:07 PM.

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Posted 14 April 2016 - 11:08 PM

You can't stop people from hating establishment ever though really doe.

Or maybe you can, how did punk die?
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#18 Buglamp

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Posted 15 April 2016 - 04:42 AM

what countries are you referring to?



Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Palestine, Libya, Afghanistan


Their populace's "peaceful Muslims" also seem to serve terrorists as either meatshields(which let them get pissy at the US about civilian casualties despite clearly using/abusing civilians) or recruiting pools.

I'm sure there are some Muslim countries like Turkey that are sorta fine but for the most part it doesn't seem like a great idea to leave the countries that are the main sources/havens of Islamic terrorism to their own devices at this point.


the question is not whether to violently engage them or not, the question is how to violently engage them. i've given my personal solution, so far no one else has-


What do you think of simply taking their leaders out with drones? Seems to've been reasonably effective for the Obama administration.
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Posted 15 April 2016 - 07:49 AM

heh Turkey sorta fine))

i guess it sort of is relatively to the other examples but the wording made me pause reading for a few seconds



also the key word in my stop pretending comment was 'you'

you as in USA

i agree with the point you've made fully

im just being an ass
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#20 Twaenkz

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Posted 15 April 2016 - 10:21 AM

Speaking of all this , I watched t he movie London has Fallen yesterday, and long story short , they drone strike an arms dealers daughters wedding and 2 years later he wants revenge and fucks shit up in london and tries to kill the president of the united states when hes visiting along with other leaders.

Now first of all, it was a pretty shit movie.
Second, the whole plot was based off of something America did and probably would do IRL , wouldnt suprise me anyway.
And I cant help but feel like this was the first movie ive seen that has acctually not made me be all like "America fuck ye" but more like having the view of America being assholes and the whole attack on them back from the arms dealer guy who just happened to be a muslim in iraq in the movie, somewhat idk understandable (?).

Thirdly I re watched this vid, and even though I do feel like its well put in what she says I agree that shes ignoring the question and putting in a way to just make herself and Murica look good once again, I dont even see where the applause is even needed in her speech.
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